What Cockpit? MK VI

[Lightning Mate]

It would indeed Mel - good hunting.

Over to you. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks David. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz477_zps85e956b0.jpg

[TheiC]

Not to interrupt the present challenge, but in response to:This one is not available in colour. I thought people might like to see the S6 very much in the 'interesting' colours applied...

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1769/dsc4533hf.jpg

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was operated by the US Army during WW1.

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

A de Havilland of some description per chance? Can you tell me what all the padding at left is for?

I thought people might like to see the S6 very much in the 'interesting' colours applied...

Been looking at this mate. Is that green glow real, or some sort of photoshop trick?

[TheiC]

No trickery of any kind, that's the image as it came out of the camera, all I have done is a bit of cropping. The image is a touch overexposed (+ 1 stop I think I recall) for better rendering of the cockpit interior.

I've no idea why such a garish colour was applied (not, I suppose, can I say for certain whether it's been re-painted since it ceased flying), but I'd be interested to find out. Certainly not the most restful of hues...

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme.
A de Havilland of some description per chance? Can you tell me what all the padding at left is for?

Yes a DH of some kind. I have no idea what the padding was for.

[Kitbag]

Didn't the DH 2 have an assymetric cockpit coaming?

[Noyade]

I'll try with the de Havilland 4 "Liberty Plane"...?

[MReyn24050]

I'll try with the de Havilland 4 "Liberty Plane"...? You have it :ok:. The photograph came from a publication entitled "US Air Service in WWI" and the caption read "Radio set installed in a DH-4"

You have control Graeme.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel and thanks for the clue.

Didn't see this on your list....unfortunately Google Image just laughs in my face and finds the original image with ease.
So, yeah, it's a crazy idea, but the boffins in the lab think it might work and as they're a bit depressed at the moment, since nothing is working lately, I should try it...just for them...

Try it from your end and see if GI finds it. Cheers.

http://i39.tinypic.com/206btwo.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The control column looks as though the aircraft might be Russian or Polish 1930s fighter aircraft.

[Noyade]

Russian 1930s fighter aircraft.

Yes it is.......

(Heading to work now)

[Kitbag]

With my extreme ignorance of 1930s Soviet aircraft how about the Polikarpov I-15?

[MReyn24050]

No, not the Polikarpov I-15 more like the Polikarpov I-16 I think.

[Noyade]

Polikarpov I-16

Well done mate. Your control Mel. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme. Using your patented method try this one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz478_zpsa2f2545f.jpg

[Noyade]

patented methodPatent Pending mate. :)

As always, knowing nothing about cockpit instruments, I will await your "external" clues. And I have no idea why that bar covers some of the instruments? But is it possible, since mine was Russian and you having been searching for Russians, could this also be a Russian?

My Sunday is coming to an end, I hope yours continues to be enjoyable.
Cheers!

[MReyn24050]

It is Russian Graeme. Weather here sunny but still a slight chill in the breeze. Not the Polikarpov I-15.

[Noyade]

Morning Mel.

I've tried what a call the "Morten Squadron Signal Tour", but no success.

Another Russian fighter of the same period as the Polikarpov?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme.
Another Russian fighter of the same period as the Polikarpov? It is a Polikarpov aircraft.

[Noyade]

It is a Polikarpov aircraft.

Thanks mate. I did look and find no obvious similarity, but to rule it out...the I-153?

[MReyn24050]

Not the I-153 but the aircraft is a biplane.

[Noyade]

Righto. Thanks mate. Only two Polikarpov aircraft on your list.

I'll try the Polikarpov R-5? I found a SIM picture of it, didn't look right, but gotta start somewhere.

[MReyn24050]

You have it Graeme. The Polikarpov R-5 :ok: Here is the actual photograph.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/PolikarpovR-5_zps15503a18.jpg

It can also be found on Google Images.
You have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel. Rapidly approaching midnight here so I'll make it Open House.

Enjoy the rest of your day! :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Open House! Well here is something a bit different, whilst the instrument panel is not totally visible the photograph is showing the aircraft's cockpits.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz479_zpse814b6cf.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Dutch, Mel?

[MReyn24050]

This one is not Dutch RR. Great to see you back on PPrUne.

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

Airspeed AS.45?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme. You have it the Airspeed As.45 Cambridge. :ok::D

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/airspeedas45trainert2449_zps6ffaf898.jpg

That fin and rudder look totally wrong.:\

You have control

[Noyade]

Many thanks Mel.

something a bit differentIn a similar vein mate...

http://i40.tinypic.com/53pvgw.jpg

[MReyn24050]

An interesting project Graeme. Did this aircraft ever leave the ground? The impression I get is that this is possibly a monoplane with a V12 engine.

Just a wild guess the Bristol Type 133, which in fact had a radial I believe.

[Noyade]

Hi Mel.

It did fly mate, in 1926 and it's described as an "advanced cantilever monoplane fighter" with a radial engine - but not British...

[MReyn24050]

How about the Bernard SIMB AB12 C1?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/SIMBAB12C1_zps96530d93.jpg

[Noyade]

Morning Mel!

Very well done mate, your control. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Greame, here is the next:-

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz480_zps919696b6.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

from the 1930s?

[MReyn24050]

Yes, this aircraft was from the 1930s, RR.

[Noyade]

Lots of triangular glass sections...was thinking de-Havilland DH-75, but no...

From the USA?

[MReyn24050]

Graeme, this aircraft was neither from the USA nor from De Havilland.

[Noyade]

European?.....

[MReyn24050]

Yes it is European.

[aviate1138]

The name Koolhoven is in my mind but I can't find a similar glass arrangement.....

Might be some crazy car/aero combo......

[MReyn24050]

Not a Koolhoven, this aircraft was a touring aircraft and not as you fear a crazy car/aero combo......

[Noyade]

Evening Mel.

So all up 7 pieces of glass - including two for the side-doors?

Polish? High wing? Four place?

http://i44.tinypic.com/34ns5mo.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Not Polish but was high winged, three or four tourer.

[evansb]

Bernard 201T ?

[Exaviator]

Here's an old one for you to ponder over!

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae22/Exaviator/gannet-cockpit3_zpsc56a9179.jpg

[evansb]

Before posting a new challenge, you are supposed to wait for confirmation from the original poster of the current challenge. The winner can either post a new challenge, or declare an "OPEN HOUSE".

[aviate1138]

When you say 'an old one' do you mean it has already featured on this forum [check Mel's wonderful list] or I am I away with the Fairey's?

Anyway it is likely to be evansb's choice.

Forum etiquette rules........

[Exaviator]

Before posting a new challenge, you are supposed to wait for confirmation from the original poster of the current challenge. The winner can either post a new challenge, or declare an "OPEN HOUSE".
http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/buttons/report.gif (http://www.pprune.org/report.php?p=7888424) http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/buttons/reply_small.gif (http://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=7888424&noquote=1)Obviously "evansb" there are some "Rules of Play" that I am not aware of, and so far unable to locate. Maybe you could point me in the direct direction!

When you say 'an old one' "1138" do you mean it has already featured on this forumNot at all - but possibly it has - I was referring to the age of the aircraft - or maybe even the age of the poster :hmm: either way "1138" I can see that you are certainly familiar with the Fairey's...

[Lightning Mate]

Gentlemen,

We await Mels' response to the post by evansb #8298.

If he is correct, and I suspect he is, then only he has the honour of posting a new challenge or declaring OH.

[Lightning Mate]

...and whilst we wait, the out-of-order post looks suspiciously like the Gannet.

[MReyn24050]

Bri (evansb) is correct it is the cockpit of an aircraft in the Bernard 200T series.:ok::D.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Bernard201T_zpsdc170c49.jpg

Obviously "evansb" there are some "Rules of Play" that I am not aware of, and so far unable to locate. Maybe you could point me in the direct direction!

Exaviator, there are no written rules. However, since this thread was first started, by Mr_Grubby, over seven years ago it has always it has always been accepted that that the honour of posting the next challenge goes to the winner of the current challenge or it my be passed on by the winner declaring "open house".

You have control Bri.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel! That was an excellent challenge, as usual.. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/rot091909040121_zps998e81fd.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Is this a homebuilt aircraft Bri?

[Noyade]

RANS S-7 Courier? Unlikely.
Just one strut to each wing?

[evansb]

Not a RANS S-7. Mystery aircraft is a much older design. Yes, one strut per wing. Earlier versions of the type which the aircraft is based on had two struts per wing.
Not amateur/kit built. Initially marketed as a civilian patrol aircraft.

[Noyade]

Hi Brain. Crazy Sunday morning stabs/thoughts....

Something from the sixties?
Front on - thin looking 2-seat tandem? With lotsa perspex.
French?

[aviate1138]

Is it an Auster AOP 11?

Sorry Beagle E3/AOP11

[evansb]

It is a tandem seat configuration. Not an Auster. American made. American powered. Developed in the late-1940s from a successful late-1930s design. Entered serial production. Not a great success. Less than 100 produced.

[MReyn24050]

Luscombe Model T8F perhaps?

[evansb]

Yes , Mel, you are correct. :ok: Based on the venerable model 8 Silvaire, the T8F Observer was marketed as a pipe line patrol aircraft. You have control.

https://imageshack.com/a/img856/7001/0ruh.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri, excellent challenge. here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz481_zpsc6a5b8f3.jpg

[evansb]

Vultee P-66 Vanguard ?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Vultee P-66 Vanguard Bri.

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was a used as a training aircraft.

[evansb]

Hmmm...not Canadian, nor Mexican I am thinking...

[MReyn24050]

Hmmm...not Canadian, nor Mexican I am thinking... As you say Bri neither Canadian nor Mexican. This aircraft was from the USA, some were sold to Sweden. Half of the Swedish order were seized by the USA War Department before they could be shipped.

[Lightning Mate]

Something from North American?

[grollie]

AT-6 Havard?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry David, not from North American. Therefore, not the AT-6 Havard, grollie. Welcome to the thread grollie.

[grollie]

Seversky Republic EP-1?

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

The Republic AT-12?

[grollie]

Seversky Republic EP-2A?
Or is it just the Seversky Republic 2A?

[MReyn24050]

Not the EP-1 grollie. My source gives it as the aircraft Graeme says the Republic AT-12 the two seat advance trainer.

You have control Graeme.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel. It's sometimes nice to wake up and see the clues and hard work already done. :)

I'll make it open house, while cooking breakfast...
G'day grollie, the floor is yours if you wish.

[grollie]

No it's ok it's fun tying the floor is yours.

[Noyade]

OK then. Not the best pic, and the tarpaulin doesn't help, but here goes...odd looking cockpit and an odd looking aircraft in general....



http://i43.tinypic.com/iv97i8.jpg

[evansb]

A one-off prototype?... or did the aircraft enter serial production?

[grollie]

Is it the front cockpit of the prone Meteor F8?

[Noyade]

A one-off prototype?That's correct Brian. So Wiki says.

prone Meteor F8?Sorry mate, not the Meteor.

[Noyade]

The mystery aircraft under construction...

http://i41.tinypic.com/2jb8v4h.jpg

[Agaricus bisporus]

The first pic looked like '40s or '50s vintage - and I thought it smelled like a flying wing but drew a blank there - but this is a modern-ish microlight thing with a two cylinder inline engine...and stealth-fighter lines?

[ICT_SLB]

Agaricus,
Believe it was designed & built by a NASA engineer - more of a lifting body than a flying wing - and appeared at Oshkosh a few years ago. If memory serves it had an all black finish to give a stealth-like appearance. Not sure it had a formal designation.

[TheiC]

The Wainfan FMX-4 Facetmobile, perhaps?

[ICT_SLB]

That does look like the one. Most online pictures are external but a simulation shows the same cockpit structure.

[Noyade]

Well done gents! :ok:

Entry appears to be from under the aircraft...

http://i44.tinypic.com/2udunaf.jpg

TheiC had the name, so your control mate.

Cheers. :ok:

http://i40.tinypic.com/4u8ajl.jpg

[TheiC]

Many thanks Graeme! A very interesting aircraft which did quite a lot of flying. Wainfan worked at Northrop Grumman rather than NASA, at least when working on this project.

Both AB's and ICT's remarks helped along the way, and I'm just waking up to a very busy day, too, so I'll say OPEN HOUSE.

[evansb]

Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/mine_own_image_zpsb14b68c0.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Used before Bri - Hurel Dubois HD-10.

[evansb]

Correct, the HD-10. Didn't see it on Mel's list. You have control.

[Lightning Mate]

It will have to be OH.

[MReyn24050]

Open House! Try this one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz482_zpsece9fd04.jpg

[Noyade]

Evening Mel.
Something seems unusual here mate. Control stick looks odd, little windows on the sides, another piece of perspex bottom right and no sign of the wing?
Research vehicle?

[Agaricus bisporus]

What on earth are the circular paddles on either side about where knees might be? Are they unconventional controls?
Is the control column complete? I don't think it is - the grip is missing. See the aperture in the top of the column where it's spigot would fit. Then the switches on the left and the twin "triggers" would fall to hand...
What are the small windows for, they're there for a good reason. Why did the pilot need to look that way?
It looks smooth and fair (fast) but not built with jet-like strength.

Its something a bit out of the ordinary. Seaplane? Flying boat? More exotic than that? Something experimental?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was an experimental aircraft and used for development of a projected aircraft. Unfortunately I am unable to answer ABs questions. However this aircraft did have wings and was powered by a single Gas Turbine. It did have a cockpit canopy and windscreen which are not fitted in this photograph.

[Lightning Mate]

British?

Anything to do with Gloster?

[TheiC]

A fascinating cockpit indeed...

AB, some thoughts in response to your own:

There are several odd things in view. It strikes me that these oddities all probably have one fundamental cause. Is it possibly an aircraft built to be flown by a pilot with some physical disability?

The circular paddles might be: a control, and indicator, a restraint?

The thing that looks like a pitchfork end is interesting. I'm not convinced it's operated by the hand holding the control column.

Turning to that column, it looks, to me, as if it may be complete. There is a hole in the top, certainly, but there is also a grip with pushbuttons which could be operated with the hand horizontal.

Windows: for the pilot to look out of, or someone else to look in through?

Also of interest are the two paddle-shaped valve controls on the left.

For some odd reason I'm thinking about crop-dusters...

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Mel.

You say it was powered by a single gas turbine.

Pure jet or turboprop?

[MReyn24050]

Good Afternoon David. sorry for the delay. This aircraft was powered by a single Rolls Royce Derwent engine, but not a British aircraft.
TheiC, it was not a crop duster.

[Lightning Mate]

French...?

[MReyn24050]

It is a French Aircraft.

[TheiC]

The mysterious SO M2?

[MReyn24050]

That is the one TheiC. The SO M2. :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/4354_zpsf5b649e8.jpg
The French Air Force drew up a requirement for a jet bomber shortly after then end of the Second World War, with the new bomber expected to have a weight of about 25–30 tonnes and to fly at high-subsonic speeds. Designs were tendered by SNCASO, the SO 4000 and by SNCAC, the SNCAC NC 270, which resulted in SNCASO receiving an order for two manned scale models, the first, the SNCASO M.1 - an unpowered glider which would be tested from atop the first prototype of the Heinkel He 274 which had remained in France post-war and restored to flightworthiness by the French, while the SNCASO M.2 was powered by a single Rolls-Royce Derwent.

You have control

[TheiC]

Even more fascinating...

Having posted that it might be the M2, I then found some more pics and convinced myself that it wasn't. Principally, the small windows are too far aft; on the pics of the M2 that I can find (and on the one above) those small windows are well forward of the forward line of the canopy and therefore unlikely to be aft of the instrument panel. Ah well.

I guess that the designers were experimenting with different cockpit elements. The two big paddles are perhaps to do with the outriggers. Presumably, the negative incidence meant that those windows were necessary to permit the pilot to see the sides of the runway in the flare?

Either way, I'm afraid it must be OPEN HOUSE for now.

[MReyn24050]

This photograph shows the smaller window. In the challenge image there is a panel missing above the instrument panel and the canopy is not fitted..
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/SOM2_zpsd73e0a7b.jpg

[TheiC]

Thanks Mel.

In the UK, we now manufacture some reasonable engines and some bits of airliners. It's difficult to imagine a time when prototype aircraft as different and interesting as this were, if not commonplace, then at least around in some numbers. The hall of research aircraft at Cosford always leaves me feeling a terrible sense of loss.

Thanks for a splendid challenge!

[Noyade]

Good challenge Mel and nicely played TheiC.

Not as interesting, but not on the list...

http://i41.tinypic.com/t898uh.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme
The control stick looks British.

[Noyade]

Evening Mel.

Looks can be deceiving mate, not British.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme Russian perhaps?

[Noyade]

Evening Mel. Not Russian mate.

This cockpit line drawing of the mystery aircraft may provide a clue...

http://i43.tinypic.com/2ut0pib.jpg

If not, just ask. :)

[Lightning Mate]

I deduce:

Single engine piston fighter.

American?

[MReyn24050]

I think perhaps the clue in Graeme's diagram is the colour reference "Hell" & "Dunkel". Would suggest the aircraft is perhaps German. I am sure when Graeme first posted his challenge image there was more detail, the cockpit sides I am sure had hinged panels. The Arado Ar 65 has side flaps to the cockpit but the panel of the Ar 65 is different. However I think the aircraft is German.

In fact it is I believe the Focke Wulf Fw56A.

[Noyade]

In fact it is I believe the Focke Wulf Fw56A.

That's the one Mel. :ok: Sorry about the image change, it had a GI problem.

Your control,
Cheers.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme. Try this one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz484_zps806c4466.jpg

[MReyn24050]

No takers? This was another aircraft used for research.

[Noyade]

This was another aircraft used for research.

Another French machine mate? Anything to do with high aspect ratio wings?

[MReyn24050]

It is French and was involved in wing research.

[Noyade]

involved in wing research.Well, another crazy stab then...
Small jet? The Payen PA49?

[Lightning Mate]

Nord 1601 ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry chaps neither the Payen PA49 nor the Nord 1601. This aircraft was powered by a piston engine.

[Lightning Mate]

Something to do with gust alleviation?

[Lightning Mate]

Rene Hirsch H-100?

[Lightning Mate]

Another shot - Arsenal O.101 ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry David not the Rene Hirsch H-100 nor the Arsenal O.101. This aircraft was late 1930s. The aircraft has been renovated since the challenge photograpg was taken.

[Lightning Mate]

Starting to run out of ideas!

The Makhonine MAK 10 ?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was built to carry out similar type of research as the Makhonine MAK 10 but built by a different engineer. You could say a variation on a theme.:)

[Noyade]

Morning Mel.

The Gérin V-6E Varivol?

[MReyn24050]

You have it the Gérin V-6E Varivol.
From the early days of aviation, manufacturers have attempted to reconcile the conflicting constraints: get a high cruising speed and lowest possible landing speed.

Among the various researchers have tried to solve this problem, Jacques Gerin, the French engineer Company Aviation advocated the wing span and variable surface. Wide open, giving the wing enough to slowly lift off and land, and the first work of this research led to a biplane that gave interesting results in the wind tunnel, before being accidentally destroyed in 1936 during the flight tests. It was the first aircraft named Varivol by J.Gérin.

This first experience was not exempt from defects in fact, the tail of the biplane design was not viable, since it was only short appendices, compared to the size of the wing. But the engineer was unwavering. He continued his quest student, from 1938 a new Varivol, the V-6 E, always designed on the same principle and intended to participate in the German Cup, one of the biggest competitions of speed at the time.

The new prototype experienced a turbulent gestation, since the construction was started in the early years of war, free zone in the Breguet workshops, so that the plane was eventually destroyed in part to the release!

However, he tried with success in 1946 with the blower Chalais-Meudon. It was estimated that the speed of the aircraft could reach 455 km / h at 2000 meters altitude ... and thanks to the device variable wing area, the landing would be at 92 km / h!

The aircraft was fitted with a Renault engine 6Q03 pushed to 275 hp. It seems that the aircraft was never registered.

The last Varivol was discovered in a barn, where the aircraft was based out of sight for 50 years!


You have control.

[aviate1138]

This interesting machine?

Gerin Varivol - (http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/gerin_varivol.php)

[MReyn24050]

No not
This interesting machine?

Gerin Varivol -

But this one

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/VarivolV-6e_zpsf4d90d0d.jpg

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel, not as interesting as the one above, but many more produced...

http://i43.tinypic.com/358e9ti.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Boeing PT-13/17 or N2S Stearman?

C2j

[Noyade]

Boeing PT-13/17 or N2S Stearman?

Well done mate, your control. :ok:

[Cubs2jets]

Let's try this...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/CCF07032013_00000_zps5a8670da.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Gee, I know it's a holiday week in the U.S., but Canada and the U.K. too?

Belatedly, I see that this aircraft has been posted before. I'd pull it, but it seems to be providing a good challenge.

C2j

[Cubs2jets]

Mid to late 1930's. U.S. Just over 100 built.

C2j

[MReyn24050]

Single engine?

[Cubs2jets]

Yes.

C2j

[SincoTC]

Hi C2j

Mid to late 1930's. U.S. Just over 100 built

Well chosen wording to that clue :ok: it's all there, but a bit of bugger to find, so had to get a bit devious with Aerofiles search engine!!

I think that the Arrow Sport F seems to match all you've mentioned??

[Cubs2jets]

Ding, ding, ding!! A representative from the mother country comes through!!

SincoTC is correct with the Arrow Sport F. 107 built. The "Arrow" engine was a Ford V-8 of 82 H.P.

I apologise for reposting something that was already done, but glad it apparently gave a challenge.

Over to you SincoTC...

C2j

[SincoTC]

Thanks C2j, No apologies needed as its previous appearances were a long time ago, it was a good challenge :ok:

Here's the next mystery cockpit, my first for quite a while and which will no doubt be gone in a flash!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP051_zps20a1bd8d.jpg

[SincoTC]

will no doubt be gone in a flash!

Oh well, maybe not! 24 hours later, over 400 views, but no questions or guesses, so maybe time for a clue!

It was a single seater built by one of the Axis Powers :)

[Noyade]

G'day Trevor.

over 400 views,That was me mate, a compulsive looker. :)
I also looked for that Gramophone winding handle thingy. Found one on George...

http://i39.tinypic.com/14mavdi.jpg

So maybe a Jap? Kawanishi N1K?

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

So maybe a Jap? Kawanishi N1K?

I was going to say that this was one of the aircraft made by this manufacturer that didn't get a wet bottom (although it's first iteration was a mid-wing floatplane)!

By George, that'll do me mate, it is actually a Kawanishi N1K2-J Shiden (Violet Lightning), hence my gone in a flash :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/n1k2j_zps77aef480.jpg

Noyade as control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor.

http://i41.tinypic.com/yp1mg.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Bristol Fighter I believe.

[Noyade]

Bristol Fighter

Yes, very nicely done Mel! :ok:

Your control.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz485_zps884a3800.jpg

[evansb]

Is it an air racer? Similar to a Mew Gull?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRx3mjCyfJwf8m87MAFfhKJxBhCzeANzcX_spyk9wp rLSC305fX

[MReyn24050]

Not a racer Bri described as a single-seat light low-wing monoplane aircraft. Certainly not as attractive as the Mew Gull.

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was French.

[MReyn24050]

Regarding Bri's suggestion the challenge aircraft is a stark contrast to the Mew gull.

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

stark contrast to the Mew gull.

So, a very ugly French machine? Most ugly Frogs were multi-engined, but this one is a single?

[Noyade]

aircraft is a stark contrast to the Mew gull.A clue mate?

Photos: Stark Turbulent D Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Stark-Turbulent-D/2073280/&sid=882e0abfd5d2dbbd6a2b3a6c78da720f)

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme. This aircraft was built by Stark but it is not a Turbulent.

[Lightning Mate]

Skyhopper ?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Salvay-Stark Skyhopper, David. This aircraft was from Europe.

[Noyade]

Stabbing blindly mate - hows about the "Jac?"...

http://i44.tinypic.com/xpoftt.jpg

[MReyn24050]

You have it Graeme :ok:. The Starck AS70 "Jac"
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/800px-Starck_AS75_F-PCIE_guyan_160663-1-_zps22f7abf4.jpg
The AS-70 was developed during 1945 as a single-seat light low-wing monoplane aircraft to serve the early postwar needs of French private pilots and aero clubs. It is of mixed welded steel tube and wooden construction with fabric covering, and is fully aerobatic. A small series of Jacs was constructed by Avions Starck. These were fitted with a range of engines with power outputs of between 45 to 65 hp (34 to 48 kW)


You have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel - but just stab work on my part. Thanks for the clues.

Didn't see this on your list...

http://i44.tinypic.com/2vxkho0.jpg

[Noyade]

Famous for doing something nasty to the USA....

[evansb]

Yokosuka E14Y ?

[Noyade]

Yokosuka E14Y

It is indeed the Oregon Forest Bomber. :ok:
Your control Brian.

[evansb]

Thanks mate! Here is a factory shot of a "next gen" cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Doyle_zps3128b580.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

A twin, but only power levers and prop rpm, so suspect a turboprop.

edit: a mockup?

[evansb]

Yes a turboprop. Not a mock up, but the aircraft was under construction when the photo was taken.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Bri.

Is it the new Dornier 228?

[evansb]

Yes it is!:ok: More powerful engines and a five-bladed airscrew are among the improvements. Your turn.

[TheiC]

(As posted by me in Feb last year, Mel ID'd it that time).

[Lightning Mate]

Open House please gentlemen.

[MReyn24050]

Open House! Try this one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz486_zps0c13a0d2.jpg

[sycamore]

Early British jet fighter..?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Sycamore not an early British jet fighter.

[evansb]

SNCAC NC 1080 ?

[MReyn24050]

Not the SNCAC NC 1080 Bri, but right part of the world.

[MReyn24050]

It is French.

[evansb]

Nord 2200 ?

[MReyn24050]

Not Nord Bri, go south east.
Mel

[Lightning Mate]

Espadon..?

[MReyn24050]

Not the SO 6020 Espadon, David. That is going South West, David!

[Lightning Mate]

Baroudeur ?

[MReyn24050]

You have it David. my source gives it as the Sud-Est SE 5000 Baroudeur.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/SE5000_Baroudeur_in_flight_c1955_zpsf2182093.jpg

You yhave control.

[Lightning Mate]

Trying to GI proof photos is becoming trying.

An easy one for a change.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Copy-Copy_zps48df4de3.jpg

[MReyn24050]

One of the Bell X-1 aircraft. The X-1B perhaps.

[Lightning Mate]

Deal done Mel.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks David here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz487_zps64d8ccfb.jpg

[SincoTC]

Hi Mel,

A little help needed here :). Is the chap a significant person in relation to the challenge aircraft (design or use) ? 1920's ? Sea or land-plane? Side-by-side two seater?

[evansb]

Beardmore Inflexible ?

[Warrington-lad]

Fairey Hendon?

[MReyn24050]

Trevor, the Gentleman in the door was a French aviator, viewed as a hero by many in both Argentina and his native France, where many schools bear his name.

The aircraft was a single engine monoplane with a crew of two used for record breaking purposes.

Bri as you will gather it is not the Beardmore Inflexible.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Mel.

A floatplane?

[Lightning Mate]

Bernard 80 ?

[MReyn24050]

Morning David. No this one is a land plane.

[SincoTC]

Morning Mel,

Thanks for the clues.

Is it Jesn Mermoz's Latécoère 28.8

[MReyn24050]

Trevor, Good Morning to you. You have the pilot correct but not the aircraft.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mel,

I missed seeing that David has already posted what looks more like it from the window position, the Bernard 80

[MReyn24050]

You have it Trevor the Bernard 80 G.R.
The long-distance record, over a closed circuit, previously established by Bossoutrot and Rossi, changed hands, the French pilots Paillard and Mermoz having bettered the previous record by 200 miles.
The then new long distance record for a continuous flight over a closed circuit was again established by the French pilots Antoine Paillard and Jean Mermoz.
Flying a new Bernard 80 G.R., a low wing monplane known as the "Tango," equipped with a 650 h.p. water-cooled Hispano-Suiza motor, the airmen took off from the La Senia (Oran) aerodrome, French North Africa, at 6.35 o'clock on the Monday evening. They flew over a closed course, encircling around Oran for 59 hours and 16 minutes at an average speed of 153 kilometres (95 miles) per hour and landed again at Oran at 5.44 o'clock on the Thursday morning, having covered, subject to verification, 9,145 kms. (5,682.7 miles).
The previous record, established by Bossoutrot and Rossi in their Bleriot 110 plane, comprised 8,822 kms. (5,482 miles) which they flew in 75 hours 22 minutes. Paillard and Mermoz thus covered 323 kms. (200 miles) more than the previous record holders and in 16 hours 16 minutes less time.

You have control

[Lightning Mate]

Mel,

Did you check post #8445?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry David. I most certainly did miss your post. It must have come in when I was responding to you question re-floatplane. I do apologise. Therefore you in fact have control. sorry Trevor for the c*** up.

[Lightning Mate]

No worries Mel - I thought that was what happened.

I have nothing which is GI proof at the moment, so I'll throw it open to the floor.

[SincoTC]

Well. as LM didn't have a GI proof image, I'll take the OH and give this one a try! This image is available on the Web, I haven't checked if it is GI proof but think it is 'coz the original is buried in a PDF :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP055_zpsd34beaa7.jpg

[SincoTC]

No questions yet :* !! I've got plenty of patience, but it's time for some clues as there's not too much to go on!

This cockpit belongs to a single seat, all-metal, cantilever racing monoplane of the 1920's

[evansb]

Short Crusader ?

[SincoTC]

Ah, there are people out there!! :ok:

This one is not British and not a seaplane!

I'd better revise my all metal statement as on re-checking I find that the wing covering was canvas.

[MReyn24050]

List updated today up to and including 28 July 2013. Unfortunately the Mods in their wisdom have decided that this thread should no longer be a "Sticky". I will endeavour to try to keep it on the same page.
Mel

[SincoTC]

Hmm,

Gone a bit quiet again, so another clue to keep it in view (although quite a few seem to be looking, they're just not participating) :*

This aircraft was from the early 20's and was for a competition. Now there's a challenge!!

[dubbleyew eight]

I think it might just be a Buhl Pup

http://www.outerzone.co.uk/images/thumbs/models/239.jpg

[SincoTC]

Hi W8,

Thanks for participating :ok: The Pup's cockpit is similar. but you're not reading my clues though are you :=

As they're on another page now I'll recap; it's a cantilever racing monoplane of the 1920's, all metal apart from canvas covered wings

[dubbleyew eight]

canvas was never used to cover wings.
it was either grade a cotton or irish linen.

sorry I didnt read far enough back to see your clue.

the only metal fuselage aircraft I can think of of that era is the short satellite.
I suppose the Lympne trials were in the form of a race.

[SincoTC]

Of course, you're quite correct about fabric aircraft coverings, but I was quoting from a contemporary article about the aircraft in a well known aviation publication, where the term "string and canvas" was often used in a rather derogatory manner to describe such old fashioned techniques!

Sorry, but it's not the Short Satellite and it was't built for the Lympne Trials, but for a much faster series of competitions sponsored by an oil magnate!

[Noyade]

Hello again mate. Are you doing the double-whammy trick? :) Is it the Hanriot HD-22 again?

[SincoTC]

G'day again mate,

Are you doing the double-whammy trick? Is it the Hanriot HD-22 again?

Well. this one was up first, but I put the Challenge piccie up and dropped a few hints to help this one along :)

it is the cockpit of the Hanriot HD-22 aka the Hanriot Coupe Deutsch Racer

You have control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor.
Probably too easy...

http://i40.tinypic.com/1zv38jt.jpg

[Noyade]

A German fighter - more clues here...

http://i39.tinypic.com/dh4xfk.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Abatros D2 ?

[Noyade]

It is the Albatros D2 mate. Well done. :ok:

Your control.

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate but I have to visit my mother and won't be able to monitor. :\

Open to the floor.

[SincoTC]

I hope she's OK LM!

Here's one not on Mel's list to get the thread back on the front page :)
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP056_zps733f94f1.jpg

[aviate1138]

A Russian machine perhaps?

[SincoTC]

A Russian machine perhaps?

Sorry aviate, it's not Russian

[evansb]

K.L.M. Fokker Super Universal ? Well, I know its a K.L.M. Fokker, but I'm guessing at the model because it seems to have a custom (non-standard) windscreen for a European built Fokker...Photo below is of Anthony Fokker and Mr. Plesman, founder of K.L.M.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/FokkervsPlesman_zps2405dce3.jpg

[SincoTC]

Fokker Super Universal ?

Sorry; it's not a Fokker

[evansb]

K.L.M. operated types other than Fokkers in the 1920s?

[SincoTC]

K.L.M. operated types other than Fokkers in the 1920s?

Well, they certainly operated this one for eight years, spanning the late 20's to mid 30's

[MReyn24050]

Koolhoven F.K.40 perhaps?

[SincoTC]

That's the one Mel :D Well done

The Koolhoven F.K.40 was a small airliner built in the Netherlands in 1928 for KLM. It was a conventional high-wing cantilever monoplane with enclosed seating for up to six passengers and powered by a single engine in the nose. The fuselage was of welded steel tube construction with a wooden wing skinned in plywood held in place by four bolts to facilitate removal. The cabin was spacious for an aircraft of its size, and was intended to be readily reconfigured for passengers, mail, or freight. Although up to six seats could be fitted, the only F.K.40 built flew with four.

This aircraft, registered PH-AES and nicknamed Piet Haas ("Peter Hare"), was operated by KLM until it was sold into private hands in 1936. Shortly thereafter, it was sold to the Spanish Nationalist Army, and was operated as an air ambulance during the Spanish Civil War.

Koolhoven FK-40 (http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/fk40.html)

MReyn24050 has control :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Trevor. sorry about the delay. here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz490_zps230b480a.jpg

[MReyn24050]

24 hours no takers. Time for a clue it is French.

[SincoTC]

Hello Mel,

A rotorcraft??

[MReyn24050]

Hi Trevor. No, this aircraft was not a rotorcraft. It was built and flew early 1930s.

[SincoTC]

Hi Mel,

I was suckered-in by what looked like it could be a collective lever!! Is it a handbrake??

Not really a cockpit sleuth, so going for a wild stab based on the tiny bit of windscreen visible, is it a Peyret-Mauboussin PM XI ??

If not, is that shot in the right category and how many built :)

Not deluged with interest in my two challenges, so off to do some work!!

[MReyn24050]

Hi Trevor
Not the Peyret-Mauboussin PM XI, the aircraft was certainly a single engined aircraft. It has been described by one review "as a very unorthodox conception". Only one aircraft was built. The item to the right is described as a card-holder possibly a map board.

[dubbleyew eight]

wild arsed guess.
mabousin M40 hemiptere

[SincoTC]

Hi Mel,

I realised after I'd logged off and found a better photo, that the bottom of the MP.XI was curved, unlike the tops and so didn't match at all :O

However, following your clue, I have found a better windscreen match in the shape of the quite unorthodox Caudron P.V.200 amphibian, I guess the mystery lever maybe lowers the wheels??

[MReyn24050]

You have it Trevor the unorthodox Caudron P.V.200 amphibian:ok::D
Not sure what the lever my source was all in french and my Schollboy French is not that could. Here is the undercarriage retraction mechanism no reference to the lever. Flaps perhaps?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/PV200UCretraction_zpsb62c2d4b.jpg

You have control.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mel,

That was good challenge and one not appearing in Aviafrance which always makes finding French aircraft a little harder :ok:

I think you're right about the lever, maybe flaps, or a a simple lock for the U/C mechanism.

Surprised to find this one absent from your list, it should be an easy one!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP057_zps8697a8e5.jpg

[Noyade]

Surprised to find this one absent from your list

Must be British then? :)

(Psst - Mel, any idea what the latest AQ could be?!.....:):))

[SincoTC]

'Tiz British mate (and shame on you)!! :):)

[NutherA2]

Looks a bit like a Rapide

[SincoTC]

Hi NutherA2,

It does, but it isn't, sorry!!

[Noyade]

The Westland Wessex (without the rotors).....? :)

[SincoTC]

The Westland Wessex (without the rotors).....?

No mate,

I did contemplate that but couldn't find one and Mel's latest, but that's appeared before, this one hadn't surprisingly enough. I'm off to bed now, cheers mate :ok:

[Noyade]

I'm off to bed now

Thanks for ya time mate. Cheers and goodnight! :)

[SincoTC]

Oh well, nearly time for bed again, :bored: so a clue is in order; it's from the mid thirties and as already stated it's British.

[MReyn24050]

Airspeed AS.5 Courier perhaps?

[SincoTC]

Morning Mel,

Close, but it's not a Courier (I was concerned my source might be wrong, but the picture does seem correct, phew) ;)