What Cockpit? MK VI

[the incivil beast]

Potez 40 ?

[MReyn24050]

Judging by this photograph showing the cockpit windshields and the lump visible in the forward part of the windscreen I would say the incivil beast has it
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/potez40-large.jpg

[Planegill]

The Uncivil Beast indeed has it correct. The Potez 403. Over to you sir!

[MReyn24050]

Planegill, welcome to the thread and congratulations on your first challenge it was great :ok: and had us all searching hard for the aircraft. We look forward to many more.
Mel

[Planegill]

Hi Mel. Many thanks. I am a cockpit enthusiast and cockpit photo collector since I was a schoolboy. I am surprised I had not come across this thread earlier on the web. I am amazed at your knowledge and diversity of subjects. I hope I can add a few more interesting ones. David G

[the incivil beast]

Thank you sir !

here is the next "what cockpit"

http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit14.jpg

And before anyone asks, yes, it is a glider ;)

[MReyn24050]

Hi David.
As you will see the thread has been running for over two years having been started by Mr_Grubby. It can be seen from the list posted above at Post#481 that we have covered some 900 cockpits with only about 50 repeats. I believe there are still many more to come. I was very impressed that you came up with such a great challenge for your first posting but as a cockpit enthusiast and cockpit photo collector for many years we can expect some more great challenges.
Mel

[ozbeowulf]

I think that's an Albastar Apis.... and perhaps the electric self-launch model.

[the incivil beast]

ozbeowulf : I'm sorry it's not an Albastar Apis, but some part of your answer is right ...

[larssnowpharter]

Might it be an LJBL?

[the incivil beast]

larssnowpharter did you mean Lesce-Bled, Slovenia ?
If yes you may have posted on the wrong thread ;);) (and besides, it's already been posted).
If not, this one has nothing to do with any variant of the Apis/Silent familiy.

[larssnowpharter]

Sorry. Brain dead today!

[ozbeowulf]

Okay, I've got it now.

It's an Antares 20E built by Lange Flugzeugbau.

[the incivil beast]

You have indeed, it is the Antares 20E built by Lange Flugzeugbau, the largest (and IMHO nicest) electrical self-launching glider

Sie haben Kontrolle :ok:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Lange_Flugzeugbau_Antares_20E.jpg/800px-Lange_Flugzeugbau_Antares_20E.jpg

Lange Antares 20Ewebpage (http://www.lange-flugzeugbau.com/htm/english/products/antares_20e/antares_20E.html)
Mods please feel free to remove this link if it violates the "no commercial links" rule

[ozbeowulf]

Danke, Incivil Beast. :)

I'll be interested to see how long this one lasts....

http://xs222.xs.to/xs222/07502/wotzit_5.jpg (http://xs.to)

Glenn

[Planegill]

With that clear view out front I would hazard a guess at the Anderson-Greenwood AG-14?

[ozbeowulf]

You are too modest, David. Hardly a guess and in record time, to boot. Well done! :ok: You have control.

http://xs222.xs.to/xs222/07502/AG14.jpg (http://xs.to)

A fascinating, if unusual, aircraft. Twin tails, but only one rudder. Aileron deployment varied -- and reversed -- according to the angle of bank. One brake pedal on the floor, as in a car. Pusher 90hp Continental. Certified in 1950, five aircraft built before the company collapsed in 1953. Two birds remain, apparently, and one has been restored.

[Planegill]

Thanks Oz. I remembered seeing that view from an old advertisement. (I had to take my mind off the 20/20 cricket debacle last night!)
Here is a new challenge for you all.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/Test2.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

David, please check your private messages.

[Akubra]

Very good tip Dan, also look out for rudder pedals as some have company logos on them, as well as some horn buttons in the center of yokes. :)

Edit:I sometimes talk to myself... :)

[windriver]

Potez 840? (The aircraft that looks uncannily like a 4 engined Jetstream)

[spook]

Potez 840 - Sorry but the registration gave it away!
Open house

You beat me to it Windriver

[Planegill]

Yes, Potez 840 it is. (I realised after I posted it that the rego was visible, sorry about that.)
Glenn, did you get the V-1A photos I sent?

[windriver]

Here's the next challenge - Don`t have the list to hand... so can`t be certain this hasn`t featured before... but I don`t recall it.


http://www.aviationancestry.com/2936.jpg

(P.S. Did anyone else think the Potez looked like a 4 engined Astazou Jetstream might have looked? http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/6827.htm )

[Dan Winterland]

Akubra's post was a reference to my deleted post with the correct answer with a smart@rsed comment with reference to googling the registration. I deleted it, largely because I didn't have anyhing to post, also I didn't want to spoil what is a great competition.

Four Aztazous! I used to fly an aircraft with two and they were a pain in the bum. Can't imagine having four.

[windriver]

No Takers for the challenge?

[wz662]

Oh go on then I'll suggest Wellington Mk V, but its a guess.

[windriver]

Nope sorry... a little bit earlier than the Wellington.

[GHNRY]

H.P. Hereford or Hampden ?

[windriver]

No sorry.... just for info this was primarily designed as a civilian aircraft.

[ozbeowulf]

So it is fair to say this is a single-pilot, single-engine British aircraft from the early 1930s?

[Kitbag]

And looking at the structure (lots of metal) not from de Havilland? And why British? What about one of those Lockheed Sirius types?

[ozbeowulf]

Why British? Because Windriver said "no" to three British aircraft guesses, but did not say it wasn't British.

I'm struggling here; just trying to cut down the variables. :O

Whatever it is, I love that coal-shovel-grip hand brake... or???

Glenn

[Kitbag]

Ozbeowulf, I understand your reasoning, just want a definitive yes/no from Windriver. You may like the shovel handle, I am wondering what the Workmate with circular disc is for on the right, jump seat maybe?

[windriver]

Sorry... not paying attention.

Not British... First flew early to mid Thirties... Single Pilot operation, but later military versions carried an observer. Other than that it was a very hot ship for its day, holding several speed records.

[Kitbag]

European though, maybe German?

[windriver]

Yes it's a German type.

[Akubra]

I have some vague information of a German Kassel 25 mail plane that was changed into the Heinkel HE 70 for the German airforce.
A wild guess but fits some of the clues.

Edit: My mistake, reference to the Kessel 25 was in error as the text was referring to another picture on the same page. Kessel 25 was a glider

[MReyn24050]

Akubra.
A wild guess but fits some of the clues I would say that your wild guess was spot on in that this aircraft was a Heinkel He.70.

[windriver]

Akubra has it.... :ok:

It is the He 70 (From a 1933 review)

http://www.aviationancestry.com/2937.jpg

You have control.

[Akubra]

Thats a surprise! I have just found that the Kessel 25 was a glider and had nothing to do with a picture I found of the HE 70. Still it did say it was a mail plane which was correct.
I will scan some photos of the two types for comparison soon.


Heres the next one. Shouldn't last long I suspect.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp87.jpg

Mel, Is this your latest WCP page?
http://us.share.geocities.com/artificer356/whatcockpit.html?200715

[Akubra]

And here it is as a mail plane with the text saying with slight modifications would make an excellent military plane.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/he70a.jpg

Heres the military version with observers windows installed (and probably A bomb bay) with text saying this was taken in Bucharest after been forced down by the Romanian authorities whilst en route to Abyssinia. <1936.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/HE70b.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Here is the latest list:-
http://www.geocities.com/artificer356/Whatcockpitlist9thDec2007.htm?200714
Here is also another cockpit photograph of the He.70
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/he70a.jpg
Please check PMs
Mel

[Akubra]

Hands up who saw the aircrafts manufactures name printed on the panel?
Thanks Mel for letting me know of this oversight! :eek:
I have another here ready to post if warranted.

[ICT_SLB]

IIRC didn't Rolls Royce use a He70 as the air test platform for the Merlin? Read somewhere that it gave rise to the elliptical wing on the Spitfire.

[MReyn24050]

You do not seem to be having a whale of a time with your challenge but perhaps I should not harp on about it.:);)

[con-pilot]

Akubra's challenge.


I thought that we had this aircraft before, however, after checking the list it appears not. Rather surprising really.

But my guess is the Mitchel B-25.

[the incivil beast]

Akubra's challenge

Lockheed PV-2 Harpoon, per chance ?
Thanks for the clue, Mel :ok:

[Akubra]

the incivil beast has it! :ok:


Mel, please visit http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=304424 in Jetblast. You seem to be a natural. :)

[the incivil beast]

Thanks akubra

Here is the next "What Cockpit"

http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit15.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for the connection:D:)
Mel

[ozbeowulf]

The CAP-10, a French sport aircraft, methinks.

[BSD]

Ozbeowulf,

My money is on you, though it is quite a bit different from the Cap 10 I occassionally get to fly.

Probably the nicest 'plane I get my hands on.

BSD.

[ozbeowulf]

BSD...

I'm almost certain it's a CAP-10, probably a B model.

The panel shape, mixture and throttle controls, twin booted sticks, offset radio subpanel and a "NO SMOKING" sign in French all match up.

But we'll see what The Incivil Beast has to say....:)

Cheers,

Glenn

[the incivil beast]

Sorry for the delay folks, it has been a very busy Sunday, including an unscheduled visit to Mr Plod's office 'cause the IncivilCar was broken into last night.

It's indeed a CAP-10B (French mil., actually, not the one depicted below)

http://users.libero.it/vall.ornara/h2cp1.jpg

ozbeowulf a le controlle

[MReyn24050]

Sorry to hear that, hope that you got some support from the police.
Mel

[ozbeowulf]

Merci, le bête sauvage...

I'm sorry to hear about your break-in. I hope the damage and/or loss was minimal.

Here's the next cockpit challenge....

http://xs222.xs.to/xs222/07500/wotzit_6b.jpg (http://xs.to)

[the incivil beast]

Thanks folks, no loss (except for a 20 year old flashlight) and damage was minimal.

British single,late thirties (wireless), possibly amphibian ?

[ozbeowulf]

One out of four... almost. More mid-thirties than late.

[India Four Two]

Obviously part of the Truckie Fleet :}

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, India 42, but I don't know how to respond to that one.

Did I miss an air horn control in the cockpit photo? :O

Glenn

[India Four Two]

Sorry. It was the truck-type steering wheel that amused me.:) "Truckie" is an RAF nickname for a transport pilot.

[ozbeowulf]

Good one! I see your point.

The challenger cockpit is not a RAF aircraft, unfortunately.

[MReyn24050]

Did Glen Martin have anything to do with this aircraft?

[ozbeowulf]

An interesting question, Mel. After some research, I think I can answer it accurately.

As far as I can determine, neither Glenn L. Martin nor his aviation company had any part in the development of this aircraft. However, Glenn Martin was a powerful force in US aviation for several decades, including and following WWI. Many, if not most, of the leaders in the US aviation industry worked for or with the Martin company at one time or another.

This aircraft was developed and manufactured by a man who -- before the time of this aircraft -- had a connection to the Glenn L. Martin company. But, in that time frame, who didn't? The list starts (in my mind, anyway) with David Douglas but it is a very long list, indeed.

I hope this helps...........but not too much. ;) :O

Glenn

[ozbeowulf]

It's coming up on midnight in NE Australia. I'm going to bed now, but I'll be back on deck in six or seven hours.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks your response certainly eliminates the Martin B-10 and XB-14.:)

[Kitbag]

One of the Douglas DB7/A20 Havoc series?

[MReyn24050]

kitbag I do not think this aircraft was one of Donald Douglas's aircraft but it rings a bell.

[ozbeowulf]

Mel is correct; it is not a Douglas aircraft.

[evansb]

The Bell YFM-1 Airacuda.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Bell_AiracudaYFM1.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

Evansb, you are correct. Well done:ok: You have control.

The Airacuda was not an auspicious beginning for the fledgling Bell company. Only thirteen were built, which was probably not a bad thing. There is an excellent, if chilling, Airacuda pilot report at:

http://yarchive.net/mil/bell_yfm1_horrors.html

The Airacuda electrical system alone sounds bizarre to me.

Btw, the author Erik Shilling was no fussbudget; he later served in the AVG (Flying Tigers).

[evansb]

Thanks Glenn. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4379388.jpg

[Kitbag]

Despite the English text this aircraft was almost certainly operated by Soviet forces. I am guessing, given the armament options available that it is something along the lines of the IL2 Sturmovik?

[evansb]

Kitbag is spot on:ok: You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/IL-2.jpg

[Kitbag]

Would you believe it was the gunsight got me looking there, else I was totally convinced it was British!

I have nothing up my sleeve right now :{ so please, anyone who has been itching to jump in, now is your chance.:O

[MReyn24050]

No takers of kitbag's offer? Well to keep the thread going here is a nice easy one;)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz301.jpg
Mel

[Akubra]

Is it a flying boat Mel? I say this because there seems to be light coming in from the forward section, as in maybe a mooring hatch. Also the floor has holes maybe to drain water away.

[MReyn24050]

You see I said it would be easy, yes it is a flying boat. :)

[Kitbag]

Ok, well it seems to have a few puzzled and seeing as I haven't got a clue either I'll take a guess at Supermarine Stranraer and hope that Mel gives us all a little guidance to get things moving again.

[MReyn24050]

kitbag
Not the Supermarine Stranraer, but it was British and was around the same time as the Stranraer.
Mel

[windriver]

Vickers Supermarine Scapa?.... If not Vickers I`ll go for Blackburn Iris.

[Kitbag]

I'll go for the shotgun approach then, Saro London?

[MReyn24050]

windriver - Not the Vickers Supermarine Scapa nor the Blackburn Iris.
Kitbag - Not the Saro London.
This aircraft was not a Supermarine,Saro or Blackburn aircraft.
That must narrow the field, watch out for the man from Canada who could steal it(just joking) :):)

[Kitbag]

Not many left now, except Short Brothers. Maybe a Singapore?

[MReyn24050]

kitbag - It is a Short's aircraft but not the Singapore.

[Kitbag]

Oh hell!, just guessing anyway, the Kent?

[MReyn24050]

kitbag - Not the Kent, this aircraft was not a Bi-plane.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Gordon Bennet, was there really an aircraft called the Knuckleduster? What a cracking name!

[MReyn24050]

That is the one :ok::D:)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Short-R24or31-Knuckleduster.jpg
The Short R.24/31 (Knuckleduster).
The story is that the wing/nacelle joint was known as the 'knuckle' and the fact the aircraft never had any official name the aircraft was nicknamed the "Knuckleduster".
Only three prototypes were built, the role for which this aircraft was built was eventually filled by both the Sar London and Supermarine Stranraer biplanes.
You have control

[Kitbag]

OK cheers Mel. I guess if one takes sufficient guesses one gets to the answer eventually. Surprisingly this seems not to have been done before:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WC25.jpg

[MReyn24050]

French Naval Aircraft perchance?

[Kitbag]

Right nationality, but this one always had dry feet

[windriver]

Dassault Ouragan?

[Kitbag]

Not the Ouragan

[windriver]

Is it the Mystere?

[Kitbag]

Nor the Mystere

[the incivil beast]

one would rather say Mirage F1, coming from the same stables

[Kitbag]

The Incivil Beast sneaks in and snatches victory from Windriver. This cockpit is from a Mirage F1CZ that was shot down over Angola in 1987 and was subsequently rebuilt as a basic Flight Simulator. The photo was taken shortly after the crash.
http://www.dooley.co.za/images/Arthur/Acc8med_1.JPG

[the incivil beast]

Thanks kitbag.

Here is the next one

http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit16.jpg

Don't look for the throttle :E

[old,not bold]

Reminds me of a friend's K6, but then many gliders of that ilk look similar, especially with customised panels

[the incivil beast]

A K6 it is not, it's not even German.

[India Four Two]

Schweizer, possibly a 2-32?

[the incivil beast]

Sorry, not a 2-32









But a Schweizer indeed :ok:
Shouldn't take long now

[Fitter2]

Looks remarkably like a 1-26 to me?

[the incivil beast]

Remarkably is the word :ok: :ok:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Schweizer1-26BC-FPPM.JPG

more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweizer_SGS_1-26)

Incidentally, the 1-26 is featured in the aero scene in "The Thomas Crown Affair" with Faye Dunaway and Steve MacQueen

Fitter2 has control

[Fitter2]

The Yahoo list seems to have gone walkies, so this may have appeared before - one I took last Tuesday:

http://i16.tinypic.com/6s85z4h.jpg

[India Four Two]

Incidentally, the 1-26 is featured in the aero scene in "The Thomas Crown Affair" with Faye Dunaway and Steve MacQueen

It was the 1-26's higher performance cousin, the 1-23.

Apparently this one: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N9860E.html

[the incivil beast]

India Four Two : I stand corrected, thanks

Fitter2 : your pic is a bit large to fit ;) nicely in a computer screen

I'd say some older Schemp-Hirth glider, Nimbus II per chance ?
You seem to have a strange mixture of metric and imperial instruments, hopefully the altimeter is in feet or your legs woud be a bit chilly at 4 000 m ;)

[Fitter2]

Not a Kircheim product. And you demonstrate the trials of reading 3-pointer altimeters. 14,000ft (and climbing at 800fpm) is over 4,000 metres, but my knees weren't chilly at all.

[the incivil beast]

One is puzzled as it doen't look like a Schleicher, nor an LS, nor a Grob, and definitely not a DG ;) and a Polish glider would have PZL instruments ...

Some obscure Glasflügel maybe ?

[Fitter2]

It is German, from one of the larger manufacturers mentioned.

[the incivil beast]

It is a flapped ship (ASI white ring)

Rolladen-Schneider LS3 per chance ?

the two part panel being some sort of a clue (and VNE matches)

[Fitter2]

No, nothing from the LS stable. First flight a few years later than the LS3

[the incivil beast]

Out of despair, one would say Schleicher ASW-20,
not really convinced, though ...

[Fitter2]

Out of Poppenhausen indeed. But not one of Gerhard Waibel's, strictly speaking.

[the incivil beast]

ASH-25 !!
H standing for Martin Heide

http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~cline/Glider%20racing/ASH25%20in%20NZcropped.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher_ASH_25

I knew I had seen that cockpit, although not flown it :ugh:

Open house

[Fitter2]

Yes indeed.

This one:

http://i7.tinypic.com/7yq8392.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/8af8lmr.jpg

Lack of chilliness of knees due to location being S29 E26.

The Incivil Beast has control.

[the incivil beast]

Thanks Fitter2. :ok:

No pics at hand so open house

[the incivil beast]

twelve hours later, still no post so here is one to keep the thread running

http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit17.jpg

A bit surprised it hasn't been posted already, but I couldn't find it in the December list

[MReyn24050]

Now that I am sure is a naval aircraft and as you say I am also surprised that it has not come up before of which I am certain.
Mel

[windriver]

Wild guess... Blackburn Buccaneer?

[MReyn24050]

windriver
We have had the Blackburn Buccaneer
Mel

[NutherA2]

Scimitar..............?

[windriver]

Sea Harrier perhaps...??

[the incivil beast]

Neither Scimitar nor Sea Harrier, sorry
It comes from the other side of the pond actually, although it has served on this side

[Dick Whittingham]

All those instruments! My dear! And you have to fly the thing as well!
AI radar, ILS, an all weather ship. The AH looks like one I sat behind, and the funny little letterbox instrument lights look like US, 1950's
Dick W

[the incivil beast]

look like US, 1950'sSpot on, the first prototype flew on 25 March 1955

[innuendo]

I would go for the Crusader but I thought it had already been done.

[dash7fan]

I think, innuendo has it. Here a pic from the french F8 Crusader

http://uscockpits.com/Jet%20Fighters/F-8P%20Crusader%20France.jpg

[the incivil beast]

It is indeed a Crusader, innuendo has control :ok:

[innuendo]

Thanks, regret I do not have anything available.

[the incivil beast]

Open house, then.

Hopefully someone will post something before the end of the year ;)

[windriver]

Who's sitting in what?

http://www.aviationancestry.com/3489.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Prime Minister Nehru in a Avro York perhaps?

[windriver]

Who :ok:

What :=

[aviate1138]

Not wishing to intrude on this fascinating thread but realising the vast font of knowledge that it contains, can anyone identify the orange faced instrument [some weather/range/radar device?] and the lower left nav box? I have the squarepants yellow monitor ID'd already.
Happy Christmas all and thanks for many happy hours of cockpit musing. :rolleyes:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k35/beejaviate/n501812632_517003_1594.jpg


The pic belongs to a friend who is grateful for any info. Which aircraft would be a bonus!

[XH175]

Lower left is a TANS computer (Tactical Air Navigation System).

Regards
Ross

[MReyn24050]

Who: We have established Prime Minister Pandit Nehru.
What: Lockheed Electra.
When: 1958.

[windriver]

Awesome! :ok: but you forgot the November:cool:

Merry Christmas... You have control.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks windriver, I thought it might have been December :). Merry Christamas to you and all the followers of this thread.
Here is one for those who get fed up with Turkey and Christmas Pud.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz294.jpg

[ICT_SLB]

Aviate.
To second XH175's TANS, the aircraft is fitted with a Decca 72 doppler radar Ground Speed & Drift Meter (the instrument with the two coloured fault indicators next to the ADI). The large orange square is a Weather Radar Indicator - looks a lot like an old Bendix. TANS was a peculiarly Navy unit although the only one I ever installed was on an RAE 1-11 - which is borne out by the "NAVY" call sign on the NAV's desk. My guess would be either Sea King or possibly a Tracker (probably 70's vintage - don't think TANS was available until then).

[Planegill]

Merry Xmas to all.
Mel's challenge is a Mraz-Benes 550 light aeroplane.
Some further info on aviate's query. The panel looks like a training console out of the Navy Jetstream T2 aircraft. The orange weather radar was a commonly used type on many British aircraft, and was an Ecko brand I believe.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/JT2-1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Planegill has it :ok::D Merry Xmas to you.
It is the Mraz-Benes 550 light aeroplane.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Bene-MrzBe-550Bibi.jpg
Well done regarding aviate's query. :D
You have control.

[Planegill]

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/Test3.jpg

[windriver]

British 1920's Seaplane? Supermarine Seagull?

[Planegill]

British yes, but not the Seagull.

[windriver]

Short Stellite?

[Wodrick]

Wx radar is indeed Ecko, E190 if I recall, as fitted to the 1-11, Trident etc

[Planegill]

Sorry my last reply might have been slightly misleading. It is British but not a seaplane. Not the Short Stellite.

[evansb]

Handley Page W.8?

[wz662]

The windsheild is saying Vickers Virginia to me but that is one heck of a lump of aircraft to be controlled just by a stick and not a wheel.

[Planegill]

Not the Handley Page W8b, Gloster AS.31 or the Vickers Virginia. It doesn't look like it, but it is actually a single-engined aircraft.

[windriver]

Avro / Napier Cub?

[Planegill]

Not from the Avro stable.

[evansb]

Blackburn T.4 Cubaroo?

[MReyn24050]

Possibly the De Havilland D.H.27 Derby?

[windriver]

Vickers Vulcan ?

[Planegill]

Not the Blackburn Cubaroo, DH-27 Derby, or the Vickers Vulcan. This was a quite successful airliner in its day, early 1920s. (One of you is close).

[MReyn24050]

The De Havilland DH.34 perhaps?

[Planegill]

You are quite correct, the DH-34 indeed it is. Over to you.

[windriver]

Run out of Vickers SE Landplanes.... So is it the DH 34?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry windriver, it looks as though I pipped you by 4 minutes. It was the de Havilland D.H.34
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/DH34_Biplane_1.jpg
If you have another challenge please feel free to post it.
Mel

[windriver]

If you have another challenge please feel free to post it.... Thanks.. came across this nice easy one yesterday.

http://www.aviationancestry.com/3490.jpg

[Akubra]

Hope you all had a wonderful Christmas!
John Cleese was the first thing to spring to my mind... Was the contraption French?

[aviate1138]

Al Gore's attempt at Carbon Parity flying. Filmed as......"An inconvenient conveyance"

South American item maybe?

Happy New Year :rolleyes:

[windriver]

Yes it is French... and looks like it could have been dreamed up by Terry Gilliam... As for Al Gore.. one wonders if he'd be so green if things had turned out differently and he'd got his seat on Air Force One and the Presidential chopper....

Not sure this thing actually has a name so the identity of the designer/pilot will do...

Happy New Year....

[Fitter2]

Santos-Dumont?

[windriver]

Not Santos-Dumont...

[ozbeowulf]

Louis Bleriot?.... he said tentatively.

[windriver]

Non... Désolé

[India Four Two]

Maurice Farman?

[windriver]

No sorry... Not a famous name but despite the John Cleese look this machine and designer achieved something quite remarkable for the time.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Latecoere?

[windriver]

Not Latecoere. Sorry. Try thinking laterally.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Peut-etre c'est M Louis Breguet dans l'un de ses autoyros?

[John Hill]

Paul Comu, helicopter pioneer.

[windriver]

John.... you're almost there! Wrong name though.

[evansb]

Etienne Oehmichen. Photo of Helicopter No.2, flying May 4, 1924.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/HE2G2.jpg

[John Hill]

Hah! No doubt about it Etienne Oehmichen!

[windriver]

EvansVB has it well done...:ok:
According to some accounts he was the first to achieve sustained (1 km)controlled rotary winged flight...

http://www.aviationancestry.com/904.jpg
(Flight Jan 24 1924)

You have control...

[evansb]

Thankyou windriver. That was a superb challenge! Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4455629.jpg

[aviate1138]

To those who kindly provided the info on the Nav panels on the Navy Jetstream T2 many thanks from "Dickie" on another aviation forum.

Happy New Year to the "Which Cockpit? -ers" on PPrune. Best Thread along with Which Aerodrome? IMHO

[windriver]

Yes Happy New Year...

evansvb challenge...
Does the challenge aircraft have a radial engine?

[MReyn24050]

Happy New Year to all.

Bri. Are we looking at a Parasol aircraft here?
Mel

[evansb]

Happy New Year! It is a biplane, not a parasol. The airbrushed photo is from a magazine advertisement. The wings folded back on this aircraft to facilitate storage in a 10-foot wide garage.

For windriver, not a radial, it has an inline 'Cirrus' engine.

[Fitter2]

An English engine, but the lines don't look like a home grown product. French? (O for a few Janes' of the early 1930s).

[ozbeowulf]

The wing struts, cockpit placement and engine make me think it is one of the DH 60 Cirrus Moth variants.

[MReyn24050]

If not a D.H.60, as ozbeowulf suggests, then perhaps it is the Spartan Arrow? In fact going by the cockpit doors and struts I would say it is a Spartan Arrow.

[ozbeowulf]

Now, having found a photo of a Spartan Arrow, I agree with Mel. That almost vertical strut from the wing to the fuselage side looks like a clincher to me.

[evansb]

It is not a Spartan Arrow, but you are very, very close. I will hold out for accuracy on this one. The mystery aircraft first flew in 1928.

[ozbeowulf]

If it's not a Spartan Arrow, then it must be the Avro Whittelsey Avian. Specifically, the wooden version with the exposed Cirrus engine.

[MReyn24050]

If not the Spartan Arrow then it must be the Simmonds-Spartan, more accurately the Simminds Cirrus-Spartan. Not bad for £620. :)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Gebyu_apr29.jpg

[evansb]

You are spot on Mel:ok:. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/SimmondsAircraft.jpghttp://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/SkiSpartan.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri, a very interesting challenge:ok:. Here is the next one, another back in time I am afraid. I must apologise for the poor quality of the photograph.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz299.jpg

[CoodaShooda]

Siemens-Schuckert DIV ?

[MReyn24050]

CoodaShooda. :D:ok: That is the bird, the Siemens-Schuckert DIV.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Siemens_D_IV_Udet.jpg
You have control.

[CoodaShooda]

Now that's a pleasantly surprising start to 2008 :) - just a guess from the German throttle on the stick, headrest, rounded fuselage and close set guns.

I don't have anything to offer - so open house, ladies and gents.

[ozbeowulf]

Well, it's been a few hours now, so I'll throw this one in to keep the thread going, as Mel says.

http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08014/wotzit7.jpg (http://xs.to)

[John Hill]

DH Dragonfly?

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, John, this aircraft is not the DH Dragonfly.

[John Hill]

DH86A Express. That has to be my final guess at this one.

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, not the DH86A Express, either.

[John Hill]

Well I give up, the glazier they used did his aprenticeship with DH of that I am sure! Looks like a smallish craft but I was careless with my Dragon Fly guess as of course there is room for two pilots, sitting on seats that look at least a little like DH seats. I suppose it could be a single though I 'feel' it is a twin and those knitted grab handles look like airliner rather than military accessories.

However what happened to all the clocks and dials? Is it a glider?

LATER: Nah, cant be a glider, which would have to be military (I think) it is too posh for that with fabric lining and of course those fancy handles.

[windriver]

Monospar perhaps?

[ozbeowulf]

John: As you said, not a glider and, if it helps, there were fewer clocks and dials in use when this aircraft first flew.

Windriver: Sorry, not a Monospar.

[ozbeowulf]

Getting late in Oz, so I'm going to bed. I'll be back on deck in 7 hours or so.

In the meantime, I'll leave you with a few clues...

This aircraft....

.... had a short production run.

.... is not well represented on the internet. I found it by accident.

.... is not a DH aircraft.

.... is still represented by a currently registered model, although I am still unable to ascertain whether that is a restoration or a replica.

Cheers,

Glenn

[windriver]

Wild guess.... Fokker FVI-II-3m (whoops too many engines)

Edited guess... Is it a Fokker?

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, Windriver. Not a Fokker, but you were correct about the Southern Cross Fokker having many more engines than this challenge aircraft.

[John Hill]

"Many more engines" than the 3 engine Fokker eh? Must be a single. A single, not a DH, with a windscreen like a DH89 except this one has square sliding(?) side panes? Two pilot seats and not much in the way of instruments. Lined and with fancy grab handles so likely passenger rather than military use. Two big books of pictures and I am still none the wiser.:\

[ozbeowulf]

A single engine, yes, and I cannot imagine this bird needing two pilots.

Since this challenge is almost 24 hours old, I'll toss out another hint or two...

This was not a big aircraft. It was less than thirty feet long, had less than 200 horsepower and the payload was less than 1200 lbs. Old information quotes four seats but the restoration/replica is registered for only two.

[India Four Two]

A Bellanca?

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, not a Bellanca, but you're searching on the correct continent.

[mustpost]

Clyde Cessna anything to do with this one? He liked this kind of glass..

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, no mention of Clyde Cessna in the convoluted but short-ish history of the manufacturer. As it happened, though, this aircraft first flew less than five years after Clyde quit Travel Air and formed the Cessna Company.

[mustpost]

A Ryan M-2?

[spook]

Stinson Reliant?

[mustpost]

Getting desperate now - must go and work..an EARLY Stinson - the SM2-AA? :E

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, mustpost & spook... Not a Ryan and not a Stinson of any kind.

Admittedly, the general configuration is similar to the SM2-AA, but this is a different aircraft built a few years later.

[mustpost]

Aha - American Eagle?? E-430, 1931

[MReyn24050]

mustpost. I do not think there is any doubt.:ok: I would be interested to learn what the purpose is of the 'strut' that goes from the centre of the windscreen to the upper structure on the starboard side of the cabin.
Mel

[mustpost]

Mel
Grab Handle?:} After engineering? puzzles me too

[ozbeowulf]

Well done, mustpost! :ok: It is, indeed, the American Eagle E-340. You have control!

http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08015/wotzit_7inflt.jpg (http://xs.to)

I, too, would like to know what that "handle" is as well as the history of N284N, the American Eagle registered to a gentleman named Clyde Wagner in Ohio, USA.

Glenn

One thought about the "handle." The A-340 was the prototype (with a different engine) and it is listed as having folding wings. I assume the re-engined and re-named E-340 also had folding wings.

Offhand, I cannot visualize the locking mechanism, but I suppose it is possible that "handle" both locked the wing front spars into place and showed the pilot obvious proof of such locking. But that's only a guess.

[mustpost]

Wow - won something!! This is probably ridiculously easy...

Ps hope nobody minds - changed it now for more interesting pic
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/cockpit2.jpg

[Kitbag]

C121 Constellation (or variant thereof)?

[mustpost]

Kitbag
ARGHHH....I knew it might be easy. But - if it IS, for extra points, which one?? If I ever win again, some of my Dad's stuff coming on here..
Cheers :D

[MReyn24050]

As kitbag say it is a Lockheed Constellation and I believe it is a L049.
Mel

[mustpost]

Not 049. Has history.

[MReyn24050]

If not the 049 then a L749.Perhaps L749A Constellation N749NL?

[mustpost]

Well, it didn't take long..Well done :D Lockheed Constellation 749
(Military)C-121A - but..

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/EisenhowersConnieColumbine2.jpg
Eisenhower's Air Force One
Columbine 2

[MReyn24050]

Thanks mustpost for that, it is really kitbag's throw as he did get the identity of the type of aircraft.
Mel

[mustpost]

Sorry Mel
Just getting the hang of things. Kitbag surely has it. Got a good story about cockpits if it's appropriate somewhere - involves air museum stuff and access (personal)
mic

[Fitter2]

Do tell - here is as good as anywhere, and better than most.

[mustpost]

OK here goes. Not really entitled to post on PPRuNe. -- Some CCF chippy experience, gliders and PPL stuff. Dad was in the first big desert thing, Spitfires, Hurricanes, Halifax, then trainer in Rhodesia etc. Uncle actually got a DFC.. Dad got me interested in flying. To the story -
Nephews get a turn in Spit cockpit at East Fortune (Scotland) in the 80's - I request in writing in the 90's for something similar, to see what a hero the old man was etc. (after he passed away)
Nooo Waayyy - far too dangerous, you might become sterile from the instruments like your dad did before he had you(:ugh:), and your nephews (two with child) and you would sue us for bazillions...
W:mad:kers.
The old boy would have :yuk:

[mustpost]

AARgh again too late by a minute, please move, apologies.

[Kitbag]

Amazingly this one doesn't seem to have featured before,(probably 'cos it is quite easy?) Shouldn't take long.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WC26.jpg

[stevef]

German lineage, possibly the Hispano Buchon 1112?

[ozbeowulf]

Looks like an FW-190 to me....

[Kitbag]

Ozbeowulf has it, a langnasen FW190D9, the penultimate version of the butcher bird.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190D-9_USAF.jpg/800px-Focke-Wulf_Fw_190D-9_USAF.jpg

You have control

[ozbeowulf]

Thanks, Kitbag.

I had a long challenge yesterday. I'm happy for someone else to have a turn.

Open house, gents. :O

[MReyn24050]

Please find the lasted list at the following link. Hopefully including all 900+ cockpits presented so far. Please advise if any corrections are required.
Good Hunting
Mel
http://www.geocities.com/artificer356/Whatcockpitlist05Jan2008.htm?20085

[MReyn24050]

Here is the next challenge, I am sure this will go in no time.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz302.jpg

[mustpost]

Canberra? If it is not sure what type..

[windriver]

Re the challenge aircraft.. looks like a British Twin Jet circa 50's but the most likely candidates are all on the list... Can we rule out this as being a variant of a type on the list?

[mustpost]

Ahh - the list. I'm now guessing it's an early Canberra - B2?

[MReyn24050]

windriver
Re the challenge aircraft.. looks like a British Twin Jet circa 50's but the most likely candidates are all on the list... Can we rule out this as being a variant of a type on the list?
In this case you should not rule that out. I posted this one for a thread member who said that if he posted it it would be instantly identified.
mustpost
You are almost there but it is not the B2.
Mel

[mustpost]

English Electric Canberra PR9 then

[MReyn24050]

mustpost
You have it. :ok::D
It is indeed a English Electric Canberra PR9, it may even be Serial No XH175.:)
The previous Canberra published on the first What Cockpit thread was a Mk62.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/EnglishElectricCanberraMk9.jpg
You have control.

[mustpost]

Thanks (takes bow) a bit of a cheat as my uncle worked at English Electric for most of his working life :O. Wow - what a list..
However I don't think this one has gone

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/mysterycockpit.jpg
Good luck - back soon
Mike

[old,not bold]

Strikes me it might be a "flying wing" design, but I can't find one with that particular little windshield and open cockpit..........