What Cockpit? MK VI

[Agaricus bisporus]

How do you tell its French? From the dining room chair?

[Noyade]

Sud-Est SE.100

That's the one Bri, your control. :ok:

[evansb]

Great challenge Noyade! Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP111228.jpg

[sabredog]

Cessna 170?

[evansb]

sabredog is spot-on! :ok: It is indeed a Cessna 170. Your turn.

[sabredog]

Thank you,Brian.
The next challenge;
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz452.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi SD. Looks big (wide cockpit) and high off the ground? Tandem seating? I know we've had the B-52 before, but could this be the original tandem arrangement as seen on the XB-52?

[TheiC]

Fascinating challenge...

Poor Internet here, so thinking aloud...

What's the big handle LHS of the panel?
It's asymmetric; the RHS looks much lower; is it a bomb aimer's position or are we seeing the sedentary safety cockpit of a prone position prototype? If so, is that handle the me/you selector?
The instrument layout should be a dead giveaway for state of design and period.
Why so few systems controls? Is it very simple, or is there an engineer or SPO?
What's the big handle RHS of shot? Does OPEN mean canopy?
Which hand holds the stick?
Is it significant that the stick looks like a Bell helicopter part?
Looking at the placards... Interesting...

I don't think it's big; look at how cramped it seems.

I don't think it's high off the ground - that's an ordinary chair on the apron beside it.

[sabredog]

Gentlemen,apologies for the delay in replying.
Noyade,not the XB-52.
Experimental aircraft of interesting design,but did not go beyond the prototype stage. Unable to furnish details of instrumentation or control functions, I am afraid.

[Noyade]

that's an ordinary chair on the apron beside it.

G'day mate! :) A chair?! Damn, I thought it was scaffolding. :(

Experimental aircraft of interesting design,but did not go beyond the prototype stage.

From the USA?

[sabredog]

Yes,Noyade,American it is.
I would say the "chair" is some form of desk,and the cockpit is a reasonable height from the tarmac,but not excessively so. Certainly a "large" aircraft.

[skytrain10]

Long shot, but maybe a Martin XB-48?

[MReyn24050]

Northrop YB 49 perhaps?

[TheiC]

...or the YRB-49A prototype..?

[skytrain10]

We've had the YRB-49 before so must admit I didn't bother following that line (bad move by me:(), but yes, it looks like the YB-49...not sure what the difference in cockpits is, but found the same image of the YB-49 cockpit so I'm sure Mel has it.

[TheiC]

Yes, difficult to find definitive detail on the two variants of, or names for, these very similar (identical?) designs!

[sabredog]

Apologies to MEL for not checking his excellent "Cockpit" list before submitting my challenge!
The original photograph alludes to the YRB-49A,but there is little to choose between the two variants.
TheiC actually named the aircraft, but Mel was in first with the YB-49.
Over to you,Gentlemen.

[TheiC]

All yours Mel!

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay. Thanks Sabredog and TheiC. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz413.jpg

[Kitbag]

6 engines I think, Junkers Ju 390?

[MReyn24050]

It is not German and divide that number by two.

[Noyade]

Hi Mel. French?

[skytrain10]

Something from Dewoitine, the D.332 maybe?

[MReyn24050]

Not French Graeme. Wrong side of the pond.

[MReyn24050]

Time for a clue, a development of this aircraft was posted on this thread about 4 years ago.

[evansb]

Northrop N-23 Pioneer ?


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4590546356_154e0cf6da_o1.jpg

[Rosevidney1]

It looks like the N 23.
If it is it differs significantly from the YC-125s that saw limited service with the military.

(According to the FM for the military version.)

[TheiC]

A question, if I may: Is the member running across the top LH corner of the image: (a) the window surround, or (b) another structure (perhaps the top of a flight deck door through which the photograph was taken)?

[evansb]

Most probably the bulkhead immediately aft of the flight deck.

[MReyn24050]

That is the one Bri. The Northrop N-23 Pioneer. You have control.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. Here is the next, and possibly the first for 2012, mystery cockpit:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP111231.jpg

[sabredog]

GE-Ryan XV-5A?

[evansb]

sabredog is correct:ok: The XV-5A was the last manned-aircraft produced by Ryan. You have control.

[sabredog]

Thank you,Brian.
Open House

[Noyade]

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8327/aviaquizquestionjpg.png (http://img818.imageshack.us/i/aviaquizquestionjpg.png/)

[MReyn24050]

Graeme. Your a bit late that should have been posted three days ago.:):):ok:

[Noyade]

that should have been posted three days ago

Would've upset a few I suspect. C'mon, just answer it. :)

[MReyn24050]

Would've upset a few I suspect.
As things have turned out it would not have made any difference.

C'mon, just answer it. := That would be unfair as I have been told the answer.

[Tacklebury]

B-1 Lancer?
If correct, "Open House".

[Noyade]

B-1 Lancer

That's the one Tacklebury. :ok:

Open House has been declared.

[MReyn24050]

Here is a nice easy one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz415.jpg

[Kitbag]

Northrop YA 9?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Northrop YA-9, Kitbag.

[Kitbag]

One of the F 5 upgrades then, Singapore maybe?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay but it is not a F5.

[sycamore]

Has to be a turboprop/fan,twin,and it`s limiting speed is about 450 kts,so not a Bronco,possibly a Model 48 Charger,leaving the F-R A-10 Thunderbolt,early model....OPEN House if correct.....and a Happy New Year...

[MReyn24050]

It is indeed the A-10 Thunderbolt (Warthog)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/warthog.jpg

But unfortunately sycamore has once again gone for open house.
How about a New Years resolution sycamore, to actually post a challenge in 2012?

[SincoTC]

Well; seeing as the gauntlett is still on the floor and my internet seems to working OK now, try this one gentlemen!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP019.jpg

[Kitbag]

From the look of the seat it is an ACES II, which is fitted to a limited range of ac. Best guess: F117?

[SincoTC]

Your best guess is also a good one Kitbag; it is the Lockheed F-117A :D

No guessing as to why I didn't post the full shot, showing the shape of the fuselage, but it didn't fool you!

Kitbag has control :ok:

[Kitbag]

Cheers, happy to get one at last. See how this goes:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/wcp3-1-12.jpg

[Bumps]

Douglas M-2, open house if correct.

[Kitbag]

My ref is captioned M-3 but I don't think it makes any difference as there were only detail differences in the series.

Welcome to the thread

Bumps has declared OH

[asw28-866]

As it's open house, I do not believe this one is on the list, sorry if picture a bit small but sampled from the interweb...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/040112cpt.jpg

kind regards

'866

[SincoTC]

Hi '866

Andreasson BA-4B ??

[asw28-866]

SincoTC has it in one, it is the BA-4B. You have control.

'866

[SincoTC]

Thanks '866, a nice little aeroplane!

Please be aware that I have removed the name and emblem from the panel and yoke for obvious reasons :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP020.jpg

[sycamore]

Must be a turboprop..TBM 850?

[SincoTC]

Evening sycamore,

It is a turboprop, but not the TBM 850.

[sycamore]

BLAST...!!!

[SincoTC]

I'm not familiar with the Blast :), but you're in the right class of aircraft with the TBM

[sycamore]

Farnboro F1 or whatever it`s now called...OH if correct ,orf to bed...

[SincoTC]

Morning Sycamore :D,

Originally Richard Noble's Farnborough Aircraft F1, it became the Kestrel JP10; it's now just called the Kestrel under new ownership and still staggers on, see here KESTREL AIRCRAFT (http://www.kestrel.aero/index.html)

Edit:

As requested it was Open House Plan B is now in action, Noyade has posted a Challenge from sycamore :ok::ok:

[Noyade]

G'day Trevor. :) Sycamore's control then?

OH if correctYou were probably tired mate and forgot the plan? Remember, you managed to e-mail a cockpit photo to me so that I could upload it for you?

Not open house. Here is Sycamore's challenge....

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5424/schallenge.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/schallenge.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

Man of the day on SC :ok:; Michael Clarke, a well deserved Man of the Match and sycamore has control and a maiden challenge :D !!

[sycamore]

Graeme,sent a reply ,but off my mobile!!
Wot..no takers ...yet..

[SincoTC]

Evening sycamore,

Seeing as there's been no takers so far, I'll start the ball rolling before I go home and ask for a hint or two or more!!

It looks like a fairly modern ultralight or microlight, it that correct?

Pusher? high-wing? Cantilever or braced? An engine type would help :)!

Will try and get back later and hope some others might look in too.

[sycamore]

Sin, 4-score years. Tractor,,braced parasol,`ultra-light` category.`Pink cheeks`...!

[SincoTC]

So 1970's, Homebuilt or Kit, how many built? European or American?

[sycamore]

Home built,1,UK...Sorry,didn`t notice...no it`s 4-score yrs old..!!

ED; gotta go to bed,gotta fly tomorrow...I`m sure Graeme will pick it up to continue...

[SincoTC]

Ooops, yes, four score not decades :O!!

[asw28-866]

Looks Luton Minor-ish to me, but with only one built that doesn't work. Any relation to the Minor?

I'll take a stab at the Luton L.A.2

'866

[SincoTC]

Not doing too well with this one :confused:!

it`s 4-score yrs old..!!

I wonder how accurately we should interpret that? Exactly 1932, +/- a year, or just in the thirties?

Parnall Parasol, but two were built and probably not an ultralight!

If it's the decade, I wonder how many Perman Parasol (Grasshopper) or Broughton Blayney Brawny were built. Can't find any cockpit photos though. Is this one on the Web?

Hi '866,

I think that the L.A.2 was a Tandem Wing experiment and sycamore said it was a Parasol, but I may be wrong.

[sycamore]

Another clue ; the engine came from the West Country....
Don`t think there`s a photo on the web...(of the cockpit); plenty of others.

ASW,no relation to L-M..

[MReyn24050]

R.A.E. Scarab first flight was in February 1932 or perhaps the Supermarine Sparrow II both powered by the Bristol Cherub III. If not either of these aircraft was it an aircraft designed to compete in the Lympne light aircraft trials?

[sycamore]

Have to go ,be back this evening..

last clue ; I might have expected the `fabric` to be more delicate.

[sycamore]

Not a Scarab..

[skytrain10]

Parmentier Wee-Mite?

Edit...there again perhaps not...doesn't really fit the clues other than the age. And can't find a photo on the web!

[SincoTC]

Well,

I wonder it it's the Granger Archaeopteryx ?

The clues don't rule out a tailless parasol, it's in the 1930's, one built, a tractor Bristol Cherub engine and being "prehistoric" the fabric could be expected to be "delicate":)

Edit:

I just found a three-view drawing and the cockpit, control wheel and other sketches seem to fit well.

SFA Forum - Print Page (http://www.smallflyingartsforum.com/YaBB.pl?action=print;num=1178188088) (cancel the offer to print and the drawing will appear)

[Noyade]

G'day Trevor. :)

I wonder it it's the Granger Archaeopteryx ?I understand sycamore is out flying today so I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I confirm your answer so the thread can move on.

It is. Your control mate.

Sycamore tells me he flew it on one occasion in 1977 and I'm sure he can tell us more when he lands this evening. He provided some photos from that day and I think that's him in the cockpit...

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3835/archix3.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/archix3.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

Sycamore did say "gotta fly tomorrow...I`m sure Graeme will pick it up to continue... ".

Thanks mate, Im looking for someting suitable and will post it soon.

Great first Challenge sycamore :ok: (although would have appreciated a hint that there's no cockpit photo on the web 'twould have saved a lot of time trawling in vain) :)

[Noyade]

Odd thing is it's on Mel's list? I wonder what image the challenger used in 2006?

[SincoTC]

Apologies for the delay, evry time I found what looked like a good one, it was on the list as is or by an alias, I hope this one's OK, there could be a couple of correct answers but neither on list (including possible typos I think)!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP021.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Graeme wrote:-
Odd thing is it's on Mel's list? I wonder what image the challenger used in 2006?
Unfortunately access to the original posting is not possible but I can tell you that Jabberwok posted the original challenge which was identified by sycamore. Here is another photograph of the Granger Archaeopteryx cockpit:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/GrangerArcheopteryx.jpg

Trevor's challenge is I believe the Stitts SA-3A Playboy

Mel

[SincoTC]

Good evening Mel,

Thanks for that photo, I did look in the Archives for the What Cockpit? thread, but some of the images have been lost including jabberwok's, I assume that sycamore maybe took the photo when he flew it at Old Warden a few years ago. I hope he'll tell us, the lucky bugger :ok:

Trevor's challenge is I believe the Stitts SA-3A Playboy

Hmm, now that is another challenge for me, I have had a quick look and can see how you have reached that conclusion, but I think that if it was, you'd be able to see the Playboy's prominent wing struts!

Therefore, I will say at the moment that it's not the Stits Playboy, but I will take another look :)

Edit:
The oiginal I used was bigger than the one posted, but was in monochrome and appears to be exactly the same as the colour image that my quick goggle search on your answer revealed!!

Digging deeper, "my image" is accompanied by a three quarter rear view of what is clearly the same aeroplane and it's not a Stits, however, even that carries an incorrect registration :ugh:, but this is pointed out and matches my other source!

[sycamore]

Hi Guys, thanks to Graeme for hosting the pics,and Trevor for perseverance...
reference `pink cheeks`;;;when you were very young I assume your favourite Aunt/Granny would pinch you on your rosy cheeks and say` proper little Cherub` isn`t he...
The reference to more delicate fabric was that the Granger brothers who built and taught themselves to fly on this and gliders they built,were in the lace-making industry..
A full description on flying the `Beast` is in `From Bleriot to Spitfire`,about the Shuttleworth Collection. I only flew it once,on it`s last flight on 11/4/77,having been let loose by John Lewis ,the SC Chief pilot...Once flown-never forgotten..!
Anyway ,I thought I would make you guys work for it after all the hassle!!
Hope you enjoyed...Now I`ve got to get my back and neck into shape after sitting on an ejection seat ,pulling lotsa `g`...Cheers all..

[Noyade]

Mate I didn't upload the third and final photo, showing your face. I thought you would prefer Stig status. :) If you change your mind let me know.

(Just a reminder mate, if you need help with uploading images there are a lot of people here willing to provide tutorials/assistance/tips on the process. Cheers.)

[SincoTC]

when you were very young I assume your favourite Aunt/Granny would pinch you on your rosy cheeks and say` proper little Cherub` isn`t he...

No mate, my favourite would give me a good clout round the ear and say "proper little bu:mad:er isn't he..." !! I won't go into what my least favourite would do/say :eek:!!

after sitting on an ejection seat ,pulling lotsa `g`...

Do tell what ya bin up to you lucky sod :)

[MReyn24050]

Trevor
Hmm, now that is another challenge for me, I have had a quick look and can see how you have reached that conclusion, but I think that if it was, you'd be able to see the Playboy's prominent wing struts!

I would agree. It is obvious that Airliners.net have got it wrong.

It should be the Howard-Poberezny Pete III. Unless they got that wrong too.
Mel

[SincoTC]

Morning Mel,

It should be the Howard-Poberezny Pete III...

Well... That's what I have it as.... Well Done :D:D

It started life as the The Howard DGA-3' then in turn became "Pete" aka "Damned Good Airplane - 3", aka "Baker Special", aka "Little Audrey"!!!!!!

Operational history
1930 National Air Races - Howard flew five firsts and two third place finishes at 163mph.
1930 Thompson Trophy race, third place.
1931 National Air Races - three second, one fourth, and one sixth place finish.
1932 National Air Races - one second place at 127.347 mph (205 km/h).
1933 Chicago Air Race - pilot Joe Jacobson flew to Two second and one fifth place finish.
1933 International Air Race - one fourth, one fifth, and one sixth place with pilots Helen Lantz, Gordon Israel, and Art Gross.
1934 National Air Races - Joe Jacobson purchased and flew "Pete" to one forth, and three fifth place finishes at 159mph.
1935 National Air Races - One third and one fourth place finish at 147mph.
1947 Goodyear races - As the "Baker Special" The aircraft was partially destroyed in a hangar fire after the races.

In 1953 "Pete" was rebuilt as a homebuilt sportsplane "Little Audrey". The aircraft flew up until 1981. It was once in the collection of the Crawford Auto-Aviation Museum. A restoration was performed and the aircraft was donated to the EAA Airventure Museum in Oshkosh, Wisconsin in 1991.

Named after his wife, Little Audrey was constructed by Paul Poberezny in 1953 during the very early days of EAA. The little sport plane was actually made up of a pair of cut down Luscombe wings, a spring steel landing gear, and a Continental A-75 engine attached to a welded steel tube fuselage. The major part of the fuselage came from a tiny racing airplane designed by the well- known Benny Howard and raced under the name “Pete”.

Little Audrey began testing on August 14, 1953. Paul was dogged with problems that day, quite evident when he dragged the airplane in from taxi tests several times with badly smoking brakes. The Continental A-75 engine would only turn up 1900 rpm with the Fahlin prop. Paul quickly remedied both problems and got Little Audrey certified and in the air.

Paul logged many hours in the sport plane before selling it to Joe Yutz in 1955. Little Audrey passed through six more owners before EAA Chapter 1 obtained the airplane and decided to rebuild it. Jan Johnson was elected as the ramrod to oversee the restoration and completed the task with great enthusiasm.

Aircraft Spruce & Specialty donated the tubing for the fuselage with Bill Barlow doing the job of cutting the tubes to fit. The wings were two feet longer than the original wings on Little Audrey, and had to be cut and spliced together at the root ends. The covering was done in the Chapter clubhouse using Stits fabric and Polytone coatings, donated by Ray Stits. The original A-75 Continental engine that Paul had installed in 1953 was still in the airplane and in very good shape.

Once the Chapter restoration of Little Audrey was completed, the Chapter 1 president and veteran pilot, Pat Halloran, climbed in and put the little sport plane through its paces before pronouncing it ready for delivery to Oshkosh by trailer – carefully considered to be the safest way to deliver precious cargo. Little Audrey made several flights at the fly-in in Oshkosh in 1991, showing off for the crowd and completing an air-to-air photo session. The final flight was made during the convention with Paul watching intently as the little sport plane was taxied up for the dedication ceremony. With all participants on hand, Little Audrey was donated by William Turner on behalf of all the members of EAA Chapter 1.

Little Audrey is now on display in the EAA AirVenture Museum in the company of other Poberezny prototype designs.

Photo Search Results | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?cx=partner-pub-8297169501225184%3Aa05n2n-tzky&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Poberezny+Pete+III+&sa=Submit&search_active=1&search=&sheadline=&search_field=datedesc&submit=&siteurl=www.airliners.net%2Fphoto%2F0416937%2F)

Note it carries the wrong Reg No in main picture (N27B)! No, it is not a Cessna 210, it should be N111PL !!

Photos: Howard-Poberezny Pete III Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Howard-Poberezny-Pete-III/0401180/&sid=24f517dfd576f8876e2b2c34624a4ac2)

Photos: Stitts SA-3A Playboy Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Stitts-SA-3A-Playboy/0416937/M/) This had me worried for a while, they could do with a "Mel" to sort them out :)

MReyn24050 has control :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Trevor, interesting little aeroplane. Here is the next, somewhat older:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz416.jpg

[asw28-866]

OK I'll have a stab...

1920's, Twin engine, Military, British?

Boulton Paul Overstrand?

'866

[MReyn24050]

866. Slightly earlier than 1920's, Twin engine, Military and British. Yes.

Not the Boulton Paul Overstrand though.

[Kitbag]

How about a Blackburn Kangaroo?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Blackburn Kangaroo, Kitbag.

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

DH-10?

(Looks like AviaQuiz has changed it's timebase?)

[MReyn24050]

You have it Graeme. It is the Airco DH.10
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/plane4.jpg


Yes Aviaquiz here is now almost midnight.

You have control

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel. Lucky guess. I should get a chance to see Morten's latest before heading to work. Something new for me.

Hope this is ok......

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1289/img357f.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/img357f.jpg/)

[evansb]

Anyone explain the "Altitude" engine controls in the Airco DH.10 ? My guess is they are mixture controls...and what is a "Dope Pump" ?

[MReyn24050]

Bri. I would agree with you that the altitude lever is part of the mixture controls. The "dope pump" is the engine fuel priming pump.
See Below. An extract from a book "The Complete Airman" G.C.Bailey 1920. He refers to a starting dope pump on the second line.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/DopePump2.jpg

[Noyade]

New page. Just repeating the challenge with a side view as a clue....

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9122/img357l.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/img357l.jpg/)
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/4927/img358f.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/img358f.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Looking at the flared profile of the cowling and the side view showing four exhaust stubs, is it an inverted V-8, maybe an Argus As-10 ?

1930's German?

[Noyade]

It's British Trevor.

[SincoTC]

My initial thought were for British, but I got drawn away 'coz of the cowl! in that case, I think it's an inverted Cirrus.

Going to turn in soon as it's gone midnight and gotta be up soon!!

Couldn't resist a quick look before turning in :)!

I think it's a Spartan Three Seater II ? Open House please if correct, as I'm hitting the hay now, or I won't get my four hours worth :zzz:!

Have a good day mate :ok:

[Noyade]

Spartan Three Seater II

That's the one mate! :ok:

Your control Trevor. Night.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme, a new day, a new cockpit.

I'm at work now (coffee break), will leave light on and montor occasionaly.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP022.jpg

[evansb]

Taylor Coot ?

[SincoTC]

Coo, a response :)!!

Good morning evansb,

You have correctly identified it as being an amphibious pusher, but it's not a Coot

[sabredog]

KO-10 Sea Witch?

[SincoTC]

Sorry sabredog, not a Sea Witch!

Edit: Back soon guys, don't all rush :)!!

[SincoTC]

A little clue is probably in order, it's from the last decade of the last century and the power is supplied by a Rotax 582.

[evansb]

I'll say it is an early SeaRey Amphibian...

[SincoTC]

Still no guesses, not been many players around though :{!!

Some more clues to help weed it out from the plethora of Rotax powered amphibious ultralights!!

It's American, a two-seater and is old complete or in kit form.

It offers "Spectacular pilot and passenger visibility" (that's because it's Open Cockpit :))!

It has retractable landing gear for water operation.

Removable wings (typically takes two people half an hour)

Part of its name usually refers to a small pleasure boat (sail, small motor or oars)

Good Luck :ok:

Edit: Sorry Brian, you posted while I was typing! It's not a SeaRey

[TheiC]

The aeroskiff?

OH if correct please...

[SincoTC]

That's the one TheIC :D

The Aerolites AeroSkiff

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/aeroskiff.jpg

TheIC has requested an Open House :ok:

[evansb]

Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120111.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Piper PA-8 Skycycle.

Cubs2jets

[evansb]

C2j is correct.:ok: The Piper Skycycle. Your turn

[Cubs2jets]

Been a while. Lets see if I can make this work.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/email23.jpg

A bit larger than I anticipated, but she sure is a looker...


C2j

[SincoTC]

Hi Cubs2jets, welcome back :ok:

Had a long day today and my first chance of a look in!

Maybe an Aeronca Model 9 Arrow ??

Edit:
I'm gonna hit the hay right now, so to give the rest of the world a chance to play, please call Open House if correct.

[Noyade]

Aeronca Model 9 Arrow ??Nice bit of work mate. I was convinced she (the blonde) was German and I've been stomping around Europe. :(

Commiserations if it isn't, but the framing seems to match, right down to the door-knob?

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/731/img363s.jpg (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/img363s.jpg/)

[Cubs2jets]

SincoTC,

YES!! The Aeronca Model 9 Arrow. The stage is yours...

Here is another picture...with not one but THREE lovlies to distract your attention from a rather unimaginative airplane design that never got beyond prototype stage.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/email24.jpg

C2j

[SincoTC]

Thanks for brightening up the thread C2j :)!!

Love to stop and play, (with a new cockpit of course ;), they probably lasted better than the airplane, but they would be older then me now!!!!), but I'm just getting ready for an early start at work, So it'll have to be an Open House.

[SincoTC]

Wot, no takers!!

Just going home, will be back to monitor in about an hour:

something to keep thing going!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP023jpg.jpg

[con-pilot]

B-29 or a B-50? Open house if correct.

[SincoTC]

As promised and like Douglas MacArthur, I have returned (and so have the Americans I see :))!

It is in fact a Boeing B-50, we have had a B-29, I did check and found them very similar, but there were detail differcences and it wasn't on the list, so well done con-pilot:D!

con-pilot has declared Open House :ok:

[evansb]

Here is a mystery cockpit:


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCPtwentytwelve.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Bri. Very large one-piece windscreen. Is it flat or curved?

American?

[evansb]

Flat windscreen. The aircraft's design, with the exception of the tail-skid, was considered quite advanced. Yes, it is from the U.S.A.

[evansb]

Here is a clue:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120116.jpg

It is the Alexander Eaglerock Bullet. An advanced high-speed retractable gear cabin monoplane. Alexander Eaglerock was, for a brief time from 1928 to 1929, the largest aircraft manufacturer in the world. Art Mooney got his start by assisting in the design of the Bullet. Mr. Bellanca was inspired by the design, as can be seen in his Cruisair model.

The Bullet
http://www.mooneymite.com/images/alexbulletc3.jpg

OPEN HOUSE

[evansb]

Wow! I'm salvaging this thread from the mid-second page..

Identify this unusual cockpit:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4590265650_6b377cbcde_o1.jpg

[SincoTC]

I'm salvaging this thread from the mid-second page..


Well done :ok:!!

Berliner-Joyce Commercial Monoplane aka 29-1 "All-Vision" ??

[evansb]

TC is correct.:ok: Well done :D. Also known as the BJ-29, one version had Fowler flaps installed.
Your turn.

[SincoTC]

Thanks; a good challenge, but more like a flying conservatory than a cockpit!! :)

Here's the next rather dark cockpit!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP024.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Boeing P-12 / F4B.

C2j

[SincoTC]

Evening C2j,

Sorry, not a Boeing!

[Cubs2jets]

SincoTC,

LOL !! I gave the same wrong answer to this cockpit on page 269 of this thread and YOU got it right!

Curtiss P6E.

C2j

Mods,

By the by, how would one look in the thread "What Cockpit V" or such earlier thread?

[SincoTC]

Evening C2j,

Sorry for the delay, hope I catch you before :zzz::zzz:, I went to bed due to an early start that's now arrived :)!

LOL !! I gave the same wrong answer to this cockpit on page 269 of this thread and YOU got it right!

Well, waddya know, so I did :O:O:O!!! Not quite as bad as actually posting it before though!

I did check the list (including all variations of P6 P.6, P-6 and just Hawk) and I didn't find it, I've just checked again and there are 29 entries for Curtiss, including the hyphenates, but I still can't find this one, must be one of Mel's very rare omissions, unless I'm being exceptionally stupid!! Unfortunately, Tacklebury's original image is no longer there, but I'm sure it was this one 'coz my next challenge then came from the same source that I had found his on.

BTW, you can find all the earlier Cockpit threads in the "Archives" (at the right hand end of the Blue Bar at the bottom of the page).

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/P6EHawk.jpg

After all that, it is the Curtiss P-6E Hawk and Cubs2jets has Control :ok:

[Cubs2jets]

I believe the entry is mislabled as a P26 Hawk on the list. Thanks for the directions to the archive.

Sorry about the color quality of this photo. The lighting was horrible (sodium vapor lights) and I have only made a pass at getting the color balance right. In all fairness, this cockpit IS on the list, but there was disagreement the last time as the photo was mis-labled.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/2.jpg

C2j

[evansb]

Douglas D-558-2 Skyrocket ?

[SincoTC]

Doesn't the height of the top of the instrument panel relative to the cockpit edges (flush or below in this case and maybe its shape) indicate it's the Douglas D-558-1 Skystreak ??

[evansb]

Mel located a photo of the D-558-1 and it appears the control yoke was different than the D-558-2. There appeared to be a few other differences as well.
A NASA photo source incorrectly labeled the D-558-1 and D-558-2 cockpits as the same.

I await C2j's verdict.

[Cubs2jets]

D558-1 s/n 3. On display at the Carolinas Aviation Museum. Restored by volunteers from a very sad state. Re-dedication attended by original pilots Scott Crossfield and Bob Champine.

SincoTC had the first correct answer so back to him.

C2j

[SincoTC]

Thanks C2j

Well; that's one image with no doubt about its provenance!! Did they allow you to climb over it, or where you one of the volunteers in the Bat Cave?

Also, it agrees with Mel's conclusions in Post #988 on Page 50 of this thread :ok:

Now I give you two cockpits for the price of one :)

Busy all day, but will monitor as often as possible.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP025.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

I did a stint as director of the Museum in the past. I am no longer connected with the Museum. Sadly, internal politics is having a detrimental effect on a museum with great potential. All restoration is at a halt and the Bat Cave is now hardly more than a reliquery.

I'll take a stab at the challenge - Great lakes?

C2j

[SincoTC]

Morning C2j,

I'm sorry to hear that; internal politics all too often brings a promising museum to its knees :ugh: !!

My latest is not a Great Lakes.

[sabredog]

Fleet Finch (Fleet Model 16)?

[asw28-866]

OK I'll have a stab then...

Fleet Biplane?

'866

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for any confession caused by discrepancies within the list. One tries to be as accurate as possible but time does not always permit double checking. Most of the time it is a case of copying and pasting the answer given by the original poster. At present I am playing the part of the Wizard of OZ in our Theatre Group's Production of "The Wizard of Oz the Panto", unfortunately my magical powers do not off the stage.:)

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen,

I'm sorry '866; Sabredog pipped you to the post by two minutes!

It is indeed the Fleet Finch (Fleet Model 16) actually a Mark II to be precise :)

Sabredog has control

[SincoTC]

Sorry for any confession caused by discrepancies within the list

No need for any apologies Mel; you do a thoroughly magnificent job in collating and maintaining the various lists and your light can often be seen glowing late at night as you total up the day's takings :)! I (we) don't envy you, especially when occasionally the poster declares a winner with a slightly different variation on the proffered answer or the odd subtle typo! Where would we be without your efforts :eek:

The recent Skystreak challenge actually demonstrates what a great job you did in its previous appearance, by rooting out the true identity of an incorrectly captioned picture in a well respected image collection :D

At present I am playing the part of the Wizard of OZ in our Theatre Group's Production of "The Wizard of Oz the Panto"

I trust you got Graeme's OK to take that role :)

[sabredog]

Thank you,SinoTC.
I am more than happy to allow asw28-866 to provide the next challenge.
asw28-866 YHC.

[asw28-866]

Crikey, thank you sabredog as I scramble madly about for an image, surprised this isn't on the list...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/wc250112.jpg

'866

[asw28-866]

No nibbles for quite some time? Production aircraft, European and part of a successful family of machines.

'866

[SincoTC]

Morning '866 :)

I'd say it's a Jodel of some sorts, just having a quick break, I will pursue this idea and try and sort the model out on the next break (if nobody else beats me to it, or you say it isn't)!!

[asw28-866]

Hi SincoTC, Derived from Jodel, but not a Jodel per se.

'866

off to the land of nod (early sign on tomorrow) will check before work.

[SincoTC]

Lunchtime now,

Probably just missed you! Possibly a Robin DR400/500??

Edit Cockpit access seems wrong for those models, I think I see a forward opening door rather than a sliding canopy, so maybe a DR300 ?

Seems to be a lot of variations, back to work now!!

[asw28-866]

SincoTC,

Narrowed down well! It is a ROBIN, the significant differences between the multitude of variations are/were Sliding v. Hinged doors, clear v. painted cabin roof and engine size!

DR.300 series is close enough, I don't think you will get closer from the cockpit picture! It is in fact a DR.360 Chevalier:

This one was air raced by my Dad in the early 70's...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/GAZOX.jpg

SincoTC, you have control!

'866

[SincoTC]

Thanks '866, a good challenge, just enough of the cockpit frame visible to provide a vital clue! Did you fly with your dad on those races?

Afraid the same can't be said for this one, but it's not my cropping, that's how the image comes :)!

Now for something a little older!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP026.jpg

[Kitbag]

Looks like the rear seat of a tandem trainer, Harvard?

[SincoTC]

Evening Kitbag,

Rather a long narrow canopy, but not a trainer!

[MReyn24050]

Is this the Vultee V-11 or BSh-1 (Bronirovanny Shturmovik)?

[SincoTC]

Hello Mel,

It is Indeed the Russian copy of the Vultee V-11, the Kocherigin BSh-1 Assault Bomber of 1937, well done:D:D!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/KocheriginBSh-1.jpg


MReyn24050 has control :ok:

[asw28-866]

Yes SincoTC,

At the time my family ran a flying club at Biggin Hill and I enjoyed many fun weekends in the summer away at air displays/air races as a child. Halcyon days!

'866

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Trevor, interesting aircraft. I understand the aircraft entered Soviet production in 1937 as the BSh-1 but the armour fitted for the ground attack role resulted in inadequate performance and production was stopped after 31 aircraft. They were redesignated PS-43 and transferred to Aeroflot, who used them as high speed transports until the Germany invasion in 1941, when they were returned to the Air Force who used them for liaison purposes.

Sorry folks, will have to be open house

[asw28-866]

Here you go, if this lasts more than five minutes I'll eat a metaphorical hat!...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/wcp270112.jpg

'866

off to bed, hat for breakfast then!

[Kitbag]

Is the mainplane sat on a pylon or is the picture distorted somehow

[Agaricus bisporus]

Its a Slingsby Motor Tutor with t!ts on...

This one http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1319490M.jpg (javascript:popUp('/popup.php?q=1319490'))

Distorted. Hmm, yes! Downright warped I call it.

[asw28-866]

Agaricus bisporus has it. It was manufactured as a Slingsby T.31 tandem training glider as used by the RAF Air Cadets for many years (I have over 1,000 launches in them). When disposed of by the RAF in the 1980's some were converted into a single seat ultralight aircraft, the T31M by homebuilders.

An original T.31, this one in the Southampton museum of aviation. You know you are old when the glider you went solo in is in a museum!

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/xn246s.jpg

Agaricus bisporus has control.

'866

[Agaricus bisporus]

Want one? That's cheap flying!

Unique Slingsby Motor Tutor T31 (http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=10674&imid=0)

Open house!

[evansb]

Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120128.jpg

[Kitbag]

is that really 8 sets of engine gauges in a fighter-like cockpit? Must have been an ergonomic nightmare

[sycamore]

Boeing XB-52...OH if correct...

[evansb]

I see sycamore has yet to learn how to post photos. :rolleyes: How many times is this now..?

Yes, it is the Boeing X(Y)B-52 Stratofortress. As requested, it is OPEN HOUSE.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/jesse2Bjacobs2Bxb521.jpg

[Kitbag]

See where this goes:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WCP28Jan.jpg

[Noyade]

Morning Kitbag.

Is this the gunner's position in the AH-56A Cheyenne?

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5448/img414t.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/img414t.jpg/)

[Kitbag]

Yep, you got it

You have control

[Noyade]

Thanks mate.

Early start tomorrow = Open house.

[evansb]

Keeping the thread alive...here is he next mystery cockpit:


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120129.jpg

[Kitbag]

Electric cockpit so fairly recent, no HUD, so maybe a basic trainer, no obvious prop so a jet, looking at the rest of the building, maybe a mockup, and from the West

[evansb]

Yes, a jet trainer from the West, partially. Not a mock-up, but one was a cockup. This one has flown.(as evidenced by the polished rudder pedals).

Perhaps I provided a confusing clue. In this case "West" means North America, and the "partially" means Europe.

[evansb]

Only three were built. The first one crashed. One remains in the U.S.A., and one remains in Europe..

[SincoTC]

A nice clue, perfectly timed for my lunch break :ok:

The Rockwell Ranger 2000 seems to fit the bill ?

Unfortunately, I'm back to work now and in meetings most of the afternoon, so if correct, I'll have to ask for an Open House please, and if it's still Open when I finish, I'll post something then.

[evansb]

SincoTC is correct. The Rockwell 2000 Ranger. As requested, it is OPEN HOUSE.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Brian,

As it's still my OH; as promised, here is the next mystery cockpit!

I must point out that the photograph shows the aircraft under construction, as I haven't found any cockpit photos of the completed aircraft, which did fly!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP027A.jpg

[Noyade]

Evening Trevor.

I haven't found any cockpit photos of the completed aircraft, which did fly!The Martin Baker MB-5?

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9422/img420b.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/i/img420b.jpg/)

[Harley Quinn]

Control grip suggests British, cut out at top of instrument panel for a gun sight?

Guess it didn't make production status, but I wonder if the manufacturer didn't save more lives eventually.

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

It is indeed the Martin Baker MB.5 :D

The first flight of the MB 5 prototype, serial R2496, took place on 23 May 1944. Performance was considered outstanding by test pilots, and the cockpit layout was praised by the Armament and Aircraft Experimental Establishment. The accessibility of the fuselage for maintenance was excellent, thanks to a system of detachable panels.

"In my opinion this is an outstanding aircraft, particularly when regarded in the light of the fact that it made its maiden flight as early as 23rd May 1944" – Test pilot Capt. Eric Brown, 1948.

Acknowledged as one of the best aerobatic pilots in the UK, S/L Janusz Żurakowski from the Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment (A&AEE) at RAF Boscombe Down gave a spectacular display at the Farnborough Air Show in June 1946, with the Martin-Baker MB 5, a design he considered as a superlative piston-engined fighter, better in many ways than the Spitfire.

Hard luck Harley Quinn! In fact it was the crash of it's immediate predecessor, the MB.3, that killed test pilot and James Martin's Partner, Val Baker and resulted in the development of the MB ejector-seat that has saved many thousands of lives to date!

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor.

Hard luck Harley Quinn!Do you want to have a go Harley? Got a cockpit?

[Harley Quinn]

No, no, the honours must go to the first respondent.

[Noyade]

I haven't found any cockpit photos of the completed aircraft, which did fly!

I tried to find one for this aircraft but this is all I could find?...

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6341/trevorm.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/trevorm.jpg/)

[Harley Quinn]

Flight gear looks US, but either the driver is a very big guy, or this is some sort of scaled down proof of concept thing, with shoulder mounted wings?

[Noyade]

USA, Yes.
Concept aircraft, Yes.
Shoulder mounted wings, You're looking at the canards.
Big pilot, Very small aircraft.
(Heading out, back shortly)

[SincoTC]

Rutan/Scaled Composites Ares ??

[Noyade]

Rutan/Scaled Composites Ares ??

That's the one mate, back to you Trevor. :ok:

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9139/32593526184054120561012.jpg (http://img600.imageshack.us/i/32593526184054120561012.jpg/)

I was thinking of using the intake for the Challenge thread but I guess the jig is up as they say.

(Heading out, back shortly)

School has recommenced in NSW. I'm the taxi service again. :(

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

I hope they give you a good tip :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP028.jpg

[Noyade]

European Trevor?

[Harley Quinn]

30's sport/tourer?

[SincoTC]

European sport 'plane of the thirties

[Harley Quinn]

Caproni PS1?

[SincoTC]

Sorry HQ, it's not a Caproni

[Harley Quinn]

Aero A 200 then?

[SincoTC]

Sorry, not that either!

[Harley Quinn]

Klemm 107 then?

[Noyade]

Try the old country routine.

German?

[SincoTC]

To answer the old country question; HQ is in the right country, but it's not a Klemm

[SincoTC]

All very quiet :(

Come on folks!! This little side-by-side sport 'plane should be quite easy to find, latter half of the 30's

I've just finished work, so I'm going to buzz off home now and will check back as soon as I get there :ok:

[sabredog]

Messerschmitt Bf 108 Taifun?

[SincoTC]

Sorry Sabredog, it's not the Messerschmitt Taifun !

[Noyade]

G'day (evening) Trevor.

but it's not a Klemm I thought Harley was on the right path there as I found this photo...

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8595/img425g.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/img425g.jpg/)

On the next page is the Siebel 202, similar looking framework but can't determine where the hinges are?

[SincoTC]

On the next page is the Siebel 202

Well, don't turn over mate, it is the Siebel Si.202 Hummel (Bumble-bee) and the reason I buzzed off home earlier ;)!!

Designer F. Fechner. First flight May 1938.

Powered by a variety of small engines including Salmson radial, Zündapp, Hirth and Walter Mikron inverted inline units

On 31 January 1939 Si.202B D-EMDR set a new altitude record for light aircraft carrying two people at 5,982 m or 19,625 ft.

A few days later it set another record with just the pilot aboard, reaching 7,043 m or 23,106 ft

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/Si_202.jpg

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor.

Well, why not...I can't see it on Mel's list...

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2996/img425h.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/img425h.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Yawn, scratch etc, a'rtoon Graeme :)

I thought that this would have gone by now, think it's a Klemm Kl.32 three seat cabin monoplane ?

Have to be OH if correct, as I don't know when or if I'll get online today, it's going to be hectic :(:( !!

[Noyade]

Early morning to you Trevor. Hope you got enough sleep. :ouch:

The Klemm Kl.32 it is. OPEN HOUSE.

[sabredog]

The next challenge;
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz62.jpg

[Noyade]

Ahhh... Sabredog....;)

PZL. P.38 Wilk.

PZL. P.38 Wilk cockpit. - Google Search (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=PZL.+P.38+Wilk+cockpit.&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=RiYpT6GxDceciAeG4uSyAg&biw=939&bih=523&sei=SSYpT6TPJPChiAeAxuC7Ag)

[sabredog]

Once again,Noyade, correct. Quite a topical challenge though!
YHC,sir.

[Noyade]

Thanks sabredog.

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6900/cockpitu.jpg (http://img853.imageshack.us/i/cockpitu.jpg/)

[TheiC]

Go on, then, I'll bite... Vimy?

[Noyade]

I'll bite...

Sharp teeth! :)

Your control mate.

Java, Indonesia, Vimy Aerial View, 1994, Photo of the Day, Picture, Photography, Wallpapers - National Geographic (http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/enlarge/vimy-aerial-view_pod_image.html)

[TheiC]

Well, that's a surprise...

Sorry, nothing prepared, so OPEN HOUSE.

[twochai]

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/2012-02-01v2.jpg

Sorry, very dark, but the best I could do. If nobody can see to identify it, I'll withdraw it or find another to post.

[Harley Quinn]

Something like an Otter, but not an Otter? Theres something very 'bushplane' about this one

[twochai]

Not an Otter, not DHC, but your logic is admirable. The designer would have taken your comment as a compliment, I'm sure.

[Harley Quinn]

Doesn't look like a Cessna, must be North American because of paint finish; Aviat Husky?

[twochai]

Yes, it is North American, but not a Husky, Harley.

[evansb]

Noorduyn Norseman ?

[twochai]

I knew you'd be there, Bri!

Indeed, it is a Noorduyn Norseman Mark VI.. You have control.

TC

[evansb]

Thanks twochai Here is the next mystery cockpit:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120202.jpg

[Harley Quinn]

Neat and simple. Looks absolutely brand new. Can't see any windscreen framing- is that because of the way the pic is cropped or is there no fixed screen? Is that a bit of Stencel seat I can see? Some form of slippery light weight fighter prototype from the 70s?

[evansb]

Yes, a 1970s fighter prototype.

[asw28-866]

How about the Northrop YF-17 Cobra?

'866

[evansb]

'866 is correct. Your turn.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8341/388428671974a463bd4eb.jpg

[Harley Quinn]

Never seen the Cobra in Canadian markings, maybe some Photoshop/GIMP work?

No its not, found these two after a lot of searching
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh200/pf21414/YF17_2.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh200/pf21414/YF17_1.jpg

Thought I'd drop them in here to prevent confusion with the next cockpit :)

[evansb]

Not photoshopped. The YF-17 was a contender in Canada's new fighter purchase. Northrop applied the markings for a demo to Canadian Defense staff.

[asw28-866]

Thank you evansb,

I'm afraid it was a lucky google based on the 70's fighter clue. Here is the next one, love the suave looking chap in his machine...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/wc030212.jpg

'866

[twochai]

love the suave looking chap in his machine...

I don't think he looks so thrilled, in fact I think he's about to leap over the side...

[Harley Quinn]

Seems European in some way. How about the Caudron Typhon racing twin?

[asw28-866]

Hello Harley,

Not the Caudron Typhon racing twin.

He is almost certainly European, the aircraft is not.

'866

[SincoTC]

Morning '866

Dunno about the pilot chappie, but the canopy looks like a LeVier Cosmic Wind ??

[Harley Quinn]

Wow, I had totally dismissed that type as being far too modern, turns out it was a 1947 design! See it was o the UK rgister when the picture was taken.

[SincoTC]

A lot of good things came out of '47 :)!!

Have you found the photo HQ, I'm too busy to look at the moment, but I remember seeing the aircraft donkey's years ago and remembering that canopy!

[asw28-866]

Morning, you have it SincoTC it is indeed the LeVier Cosmic Wind, actual picture taken around the 1970 in the UK. It is a picture of this aircraft...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/wc030212b.jpg

I was in awe of both "Ballerina" and "Little Toni" on the UK F1 racing circuit in the 70's when my Father was flying a Beta against them!

SincoTC has control.

'866

[SincoTC]

Thanks '866,

Nice little aircraft, Neil Williams was flying it when I saw it.

This should be an easy one, surprised it's not on the list, the one I wanted to use of the same name had been used far too many times already!!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP029.jpg

[TheiC]

PA-28R Arrow?

[SincoTC]

That's the one TheIC :D

The Piper PA-28R Arrow

You have control :ok:

[TheiC]

OK, try this...

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/4Feb2012.jpg

[sycamore]

Something East European ,heavily modified..?

[evansb]

Temco TT-1 Super Pinto.

[Harley Quinn]

Looks a bit like a Gunsight at the top. Basic and flimsy fuselage structure. I'm thinking American trainer that failed in a competition to replace the T37?

As soon as evansb put that in I see it, except I think I'm out by about 30 years, T37 and this were competing for the same contract.