What Cockpit? MK VI

[evansb]

Yes, it is a Lockheed L-1011 Tristar.:ok: Some panels had vertical readout engine gauges, others had round ones. The cockpit photo is from a nearly new Cathay Pacific ship, VR-HHV, Lockheed L-1011-385-1, taken perhaps thirty-five years ago.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/VR-HHK_1979211oo2.jpg

[innuendo]

Of all the types I flew, the -500 was an nice as any, if not the best.

[Noyade]

You say that the challenge photograph is identified as the ANT6/TB-3

True. From an article devoted to the ANT-6 in Air Enthusiast 1988. The caption goes on to point out the "extraordinarily simple panel and the inordinately large control wheels"

I just thought it looked interesting and wasn't on your list Mel. Shall I try again or just bugger off? :) LOL.

[MReyn24050]

I just thought it looked interesting and wasn't on your list Mel. Shall I try again or just b****r off? LOL.

Certainly try again.
It is certainly a very interesting photograph. Please do not take my question as criticism; as Bri states in his Post ,The clue drawing is an ANT-6, but the original photo is perhaps a version of an ANT-4

It is known that Russia flew a version of the ANT-4 to New York from Russia the aircraft was URSS 300, perhaps the photograph is that aircraft.

They also produced TB-3-4AM-34RD which was a TB-3 version used as a long-range demonstration aircraft with streamlined fuselages, it may be this aircraft?

If any experts on Russian aircraft follow this thread they may well be able to give us the answer.

[Noyade]

Please do not take my question as criticismNo, not at all mate, none take :ok: Unfortunately I'm relying 100% on the accuracy of the caption author with these images as I have no aviation experience. Some books/magazines have very dubious captioning but I was hoping Air Enthusiast would be very reliable. The ANT-4 theory is a good one from Bri as is the TB-3-4AM-34RD from yourself, I just have no way of finding out. But as you say as time ticked on I had a look and was surprised at the differences, hence the cutaway.

Try again? :)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7641/tryagainf.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/tryagainf.jpg/)

[evansb]

Ryan Fireball ?

[Noyade]

Ryan Fireball ?

It is American, a fighter and carrier based but not a Ryan...

[sycamore]

Grumman Bearcat ?

[Noyade]

Jet powered mate.

[sycamore]

I`ll raise you a Panther then..

[Noyade]

Not a Panther mate.

Hope I'm not making you Furyious?

[Noyade]

Because I would hate to think I'm making you Furyious...

[Capot]

North American FJ-2/-3 Fury


If correct, open house.....

[Noyade]

North American FJ-2/-3 FuryI'll accept that!

Open House.

[evansb]

I think the straight-winged FJ-1 Fury cockpit was the challenge, not the Navalized Sabre FJ-2/3 Fury. Two different aircraft.


Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP101114.jpg

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

Terrafugia?

[evansb]

Correct:ok: Transforms from aircraft to automobile in around 30 seconds. You have control.

FYI Here is a cockpit photo of a North American FJ-1 Fury taken at the Pensacola Florida museum.
http://www.philsaeronauticalstuff.com/FJ-1/images/fj-1cockpit-16.jpg

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

Many thanks,

Try this...

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/IMG_0062edited-1.jpg

[evansb]

Dornier Do.328-JET (Do.328-300) ?

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

evansb has it... A great little aeroplane...

[evansb]

Thanks. Speaking of little aeroplanes, here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP101116.jpg

[MReyn24050]

An aircraft built and designed by Orin Welch, the Welch OW4 or OW5 Model - Three place high wing monoplane perhaps?

[evansb]

Correct.:ok: Possibly the OW-5 or -9, as the type is not specified on the photo. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/wad602.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri. I understand that the Aeronca had considerable influence on the "Welch" design.
Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz364.jpg

[sycamore]

Polikarpov I-6

[MReyn24050]

sycamore. not the Polikarpov I-6 I am sorry to say.

[sycamore]

Something German perhaps, He-51 ?

[MReyn24050]

It is a German aircraft but not the He-51.

[sycamore]

How about a Bu. Jungmeister,or a Fieseler Fi 2 Tiger..?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry sycamore. Neither the Bu. Jungmeister nor a Fieseler Fi 2 Tiger.

[evansb]

Just one built ?

AVA AF 1 ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Bri. Not the AVA AF 1. A large number of these aircraft were built and saw service.

[Noyade]

A large number of these aircraft were built and saw service.It is a German aircraft Hi Mel. Looks like struts and stuff outside the panel so maybe a biplane or parasol?

So, rapid firing...and not on your list...

Arado 66
Gotha 145
Heinkel 46
Heinkel 60
Henschel 123
Henschel 126.

[MReyn24050]

Graeme :)
So, rapid firing...and not on your list...

Arado 66
Gotha 145
Heinkel 46
Heinkel 60
Henschel 123
Henschel 126.

So which one are you going for?

[Noyade]

So which one are you going for?

The correct one please! :)

[Noyade]

But if it is against "What Cockpit?" etiquette, I will list them individually one post after the other..for your appraisal.

I would hate to break the etiquette.

:)

[Noyade]

Arado 66.....maybe? (can find no images on the internet.)

[Noyade]

There is of course the popular Gotha 145, but again I can find no internet pictures.

[Noyade]

It just occurred to me that it could be marine? Heinkel 60?

[Noyade]

A plane dear to my heart as I made an Airfix model of it many, many years ago, the Henschel 123?

[Noyade]

Just thought of another parasol, the Henschel 126?

[MReyn24050]

Arado 66.....maybe? (can find no images on the internet.)

Graeme.
You have it it is indeed the Arado 66C:ok: :D. Got to make you work for it. :):)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/ar66-8.jpg
The Ar 66C found an entirely unexpected combat role late in the Second World War. The Russians had been carrying out night-time nuisance raids using the Polikarpov U-2 biplane. This inspired the Germans to form Night-harassing squadrons (Störkampfstaffeln), before in October 1943 a larger scale effort was put in place with the creation of the Night Ground Attack Groups (Nachtschlacht Gruppen). Around 2,000 Arado Ar 66Cs were modified to carry 4lb and 8lb anti-personnel bombs, and served with most of the sixteen squadrons within the new groups, in particular with NSGr 2, 3 and 5 over the Soviet Union, NSGr 8 in Finland and NSGr 12 in Latvia.

You have control

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel.

I'll try and do a better job with this one...

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5208/extension4458319.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/extension4458319.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

Looks interesting Graeme.
The diagram on the panel for the landing gear position indicator would suggest a swept wing aircraft with possible cheek intakes. The English markings and grey panel suggest a western aircraft about mid 1950s.
Mel

[sycamore]

Is it a test aircraft `modified from an earlier model ? British or USA ?

[evansb]

HAL Ha-24 Marut ?

[Noyade]

Mel.............Swept wing but no cheeks. Late fifties.
Sycamore....Built to fill an order and based on an earlier design. American.
Bri..............Sorry mate.

[sycamore]

Republic XF-84H Thunderscreech..?

[Noyade]

Republic XF-84H Thunderscreech..?No mate, sorry.

This jets speed was limited by the melting temperature of plexiglass (According to the article).

The "T" lever, above the landing gear indicator, which Mel pointed out, retracted the ventral fins in an emergency...

That should help, but I gotta leave for work shortly.

[MReyn24050]

Vought XF8U-3 Crusader III perhaps?

[Noyade]

Vought XF8U-3 Crusader III perhaps?

Very nice timing Mel! :D:ok: Your control.
Cheers.


(running to the front door now...)

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme.
Very interesting challenge. Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz365.jpg

[India Four Two]

Hi Mel,

1930s, German, low-wing monoplane?

Edit: with Bosch magnetos, I see.

[MReyn24050]

Hi I42
You are in the right neck of the woods and era, i.e. late 20s early 30s.
Mel

[evansb]

Bfw M-23c ?

[MReyn24050]

That is the one Bri, the BfW M.23c also known as the Messerschidt M.23c.:ok:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Me_M_23c_D-1924_at_the_Europa_Rundflug_1930.jpg

You have control

[evansb]

Thanks Mel.
Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP101122.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Possibly the DH 112 Sea Venom. However, the canopy does not look right for that aircraft.

[evansb]

Sorry Mel, not the DH Sea Venom. Not from the U.K.

[Noyade]

American? Purely based on the rotund looking canopy maybe the Douglas F3D Skynight?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Skyknight.

[MReyn24050]

Douglas F6D Missileer perhaps?

[twochai]

Convair YF-102?

The prototype and pre-production models designed and produced before the incorporation of Dr. Whitcombe's area rule fuselage with the coke bottle wasp waist of the F-102A.

[MReyn24050]

This is a Douglas aircraft but not the project that never flew ie the Missileeer. However I think it might be the Douglas Skyraider AD-5N. The wide-bodied Skyraider.

[evansb]

Yes Mel, it is the Douglas AD-5N.:ok: You have control.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/douglasad5s1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri, great challenge. Sorry for the delay here is the next one:-

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz366.jpg
Mel

[Agaricus bisporus]

Bachem BA349 Natter?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Bachem BA349 Natter but the right part of the world.

[Kieron Kirk]

Blohm und Voss BV.40.

Ciarain.

[MReyn24050]

Not the Blohm und Voss BV.40 Ciarain.

[evansb]

Messerschmitt Me.309 ?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Me.309. However there was a connection with Messerschmidt.

[Ridge Runner]

A Henschel of somekind?

[evansb]

Blohm & Voss Bv.155 ?

[MReyn24050]

That is the one Bri.:ok: You have control.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/BlohmVossBV155.jpg

From Wikipedia

The saga of the BV 155 began at Messerschmitt in the spring of 1942. At that time, it was known under the designation of Me 155, and was a company proposal for a carrier-based single-seat fighter. The Me 155 was intended to be based aboard the aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelin, then under construction. In the interest of economy and simplicity, the Me 155 was to use as many Messerschmitt Bf 109 components as possible, being basically a navalized version of the earlier Messerschmitt fighter.

In August 1943, the Technische Amt decided that Messerschmitt was over-committed, and they decided to transfer the work on the design to Blohm & Voss. After some initial study, the Blohm & Voss design team deemed that the existing Messerschmitt design had too many weaknesses. Several months of argument and finger-pointing between the Messerschmitt transition team and the Blohm & Voss designers followed. Friction between the two teams got steadily worse. In the event, no meeting of the minds was possible, and the Technische Amt eventually decided to throw Messerschmitt off the project entirely, and turn it entirely over to Blohm & Voss.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. Excellent challenge. I shoulda went with my gut feeling on that one. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP101124.jpg

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

ADAM M-309 perhaps?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the ADAM M309.

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

Rutan's M-133? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

[evansb]

Both are proof of concept. Only one produced so far, a prototype powered by PT6 engines.

[SincoTC]

It looks like it may be the Evektor EV-55 Prototype ?

If correct, please declare Open House as I have nothing prepared and was just finishing lunch break, no time to pursue the current Silhouette Challenge and couldn't resist a shot at it!

[evansb]

SincoTC is correct. The Evektor EV-55 Outback.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/18711.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Open House?
well here is an easy one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz367.jpg
Mel

[MReyn24050]

No takers? I did not think it was that difficult, the image came from the same source as my previous three challenges.
Mel

[evansb]

Junkers Ju-86B ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Bri. This one is not the Junkers Ju-86B.

[sycamore]

Is it a twin push-pull ?

[Noyade]

G'day Mel. Twin-engined German, pre-1939?.....

[MReyn24050]

Sycamore and Graeme.
German single engine pre 1939.

[Harley Quinn]

Klemm kl31?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Harley, not the Klemm Kl 31

[evansb]

Junkers W-34 ?

[MReyn24050]

That is the one Bri. :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/JunkersW34.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/W34.jpg

You have control.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. Fun challenge! Your W-34 is sporting a DF loop of nautucal proportions. Here is another easy one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP101129.jpg

[evansb]

Clue: Think University of the Air.

[ExAscoteer]

I don't think it's an AT-6, and it's certainly not a Cornell. Yale maybe?

[MReyn24050]

I would say that ExAscoteer has it the North American NA64 Yale

[Noyade]

Ha! I was way off! I was thinking University as in The Mississippi State University Marvel/Marvelette...:(

[sycamore]

Rear seat of a T6/Harvard/SNJ....

[evansb]

ExAscoteer is correct:ok: The North American NA64 Yale. Control is passed.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/arch543.jpg

[ExAscoteer]

Open House.

[Noyade]

A quick show of hands please, yay or nay?

I'm happy to delete if unacceptable.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4561/lineg0.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/lineg0.jpg/)

[sycamore]

US, NAVY,single-engine, Cougar ?

[Noyade]

So, we're happy with line drawings?

Cougar ?

No mate, but it is a cat.

[sycamore]

Not a Lynx,Jaguar,Cougar.Must be a Panther,or a Tiger(F11F) then ?

[Noyade]

Jaguar

It is a Jaguar...

[Agaricus bisporus]

Well, my original response of "WTF?" to that revelation led to the unexpected discovery that the SEPECAT product wasn't the only Jaguar; Grumman's sole and utterly undistinguished XF10F. How the heck does anyone know that thing even existed, let alone know what it looked like inside?

Hats off to the man - or was that a lucky guess?

[Noyade]

Jaguar; Grumman's sole and utterly undistinguished XF10F.

That's the one mate. I tried to upload a photo but severe thunderstorms and 25 mm rain in 30 mins here...

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9248/jaguar22568224.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/jaguar22568224.jpg/)

[sycamore]

I think `Corky ` Meyer earned his flying pay with that one ! I wasn`t thinking of it when I wrote Jag,and missed Cheetah as well...As it was rather by default,you might as well do another,or have Open House..

[Noyade]

Okay mate, here's another and no cats this time...:)

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4976/tryagaino.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/i/tryagaino.jpg/)

[sycamore]

American twin jet....would I get `wet` in this ?

[Noyade]

G'day again!

American
Not a twin.
Not designed to get wet.

[NutherA2]

Bell X1A or something similar?

[Noyade]

Research of a different kind, not speed.

Not a Bell...see below...

[Fitter2]

Bell X-5 variable geometry?

[Noyade]

Originally Posted by sycamore
Sir, just a query on the recent cockpit of the `X-5`; are you sure it is the aircraft,as there seem to be a few discrepancies that seem suspect .
G'day Sycamore

Thanks mate. I just had another look.

As you can tell, I know jack **** about cockpits and it shows. I can never guess what they are but I enjoy looking for them, however, lately I can't seem to do anything right with them. I scanned a host of X-plane cockpits recently but obviously my "secret" tagging system is crap.

You are absolutely right, it is NOT the X-5.

Another X.

My sincere apologies. I will return to WC and try to
save face. Maybe a show of hands if I should stay on that thread?! LOL.

Cheers,
Graeme.

Sorry Sycamore, NutherA2, Fitter2 and anyone else watching, it is not the Bell X-5 or a Bell product...but it is an X-plane....:ugh::O

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme...the Northrop X-4 Bantam?

[Noyade]

Northrop X-4 Bantam?

It is Ken...it really, really is! :ok:

Your Control!

(Sycamore, thanks for the e-mails mate, much appreciated! :ok:)

[skytrain10]

Exactly as it appears in my book Graeme:ok:

Here's something a little more basic:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/731f9f5d.jpg

[skytrain10]

Looks like a little help is needed - this aircraft dates from the 1960's and can still be purchased today.

[Noyade]

British?.......

[skytrain10]

British?.......
Not a Brit Graeme - try the US. A very popular design!

[ozbeowulf]

Biplane?

With a VW engine?

[skytrain10]

You've scored 50% ozebeowulf :)
Biplane - no
VW engine - yes

[evansb]

Okay, okay, I'll bite. The Evans VP-1 Volksplane ? And no, I don't own one, nor have I flown one, but I would like to..

[skytrain10]

Evans VP-1 Volksplane
Good call, it is indeed the Evans VP-1:ok:...and suitably appropriate that you got it!
Over 6000 plans sold since 1969, and still available today 41 years later.

Your control evansb.

[evansb]

Thanks! That was fun. I looked at FREDs, a Baby Ace, Heaths, Pietenpols, several gyroplanes and many Pou du Ciels before the Volksplane. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/wcp101204.jpg

[India Four Two]

bri,

That light-weight tubing reminds me of Scheibe gliders and motor gliders, but I cannot find a match. Am I close?

[evansb]

Not a glider, nor a motor glider. The company never made either. The aircraft was in serial production.

[skytrain10]

Good morning Bri...the Callair A-2?

[evansb]

skytrain10 is spot on:ok: Well done:D Your turn.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/plane41.jpg

[skytrain10]

Thanks evansb. A good one, with the open door conveniently hiding all those struts!

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/56e7bbeb.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

G-159 Gulfstream I?

C2j

[skytrain10]

Not a Gulfstream 1 C2j.

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

...a Metroliner perhaps?

[sycamore]

Maybe a Convair 580/Metro ?

[evansb]

Fairchild (Swearingen) Merlin ?

[skytrain10]

...a Metroliner perhaps? Close, but....no

Fairchild (Swearingen) Merlin That's the one evansb:ok:. To be specific the Merlin IIIA. Well done:D

Here's the owner of the cockpit!

http://www.asa-be.com/images/PhotogalleryBLU/CF-04.jpg

evansb has control

[evansb]

Thanks! I've always liked the look of the Merlin. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP101205.jpg

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

Aaah, I had a bad feeling about that; almost went searching for a solution to the right hand column of engine instruments (a feature of the Merlin but not the Metro)...

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

...but THAT is a C525A... Or a CJ1+ or 2+ if you're paying cash.

[evansb]

KG is in the ballpark. A CJ3 says the caption. Your control

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

Thanks Evans,

It's the 3 or 4 perhaps or a + (see the fadec switches left of the throttle quadrant), but no matter - impossible to tell them apart from the image, I think...

Haven't got my piccies hard drive with me, so...

OPEN HOUSE!

[Noyade]

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3648/goontryagain.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/i/goontryagain.jpg/)

[Noyade]

I forgot to add that this is a mock-up of the attack version of this aircraft...

Cheers.

[skytrain10]

Gulfstream 600 Peregrine - not that I'm aware of an attack version, but you never know!

[Noyade]

Gulfstream 600 Peregrine

Ken, look that up on Wiki and you'll find this aircraft mentioned.....;)

attack version

Only a mock-up with this one, but the trainer version was built.

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme - from the clue the Fairchild T-46. Looked at that one last night but cockpit layout seemed a lot different from your picture - there again I could only find the trainer as opposed to the attack variant (AT-46?).

[Noyade]

Fairchild T-46.It is mate! Your control. :ok:

Fairchild T-46 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_T-46)

There was potential for some overseas sales as well, such as in the light ground attack role in addition to its role as a trainer.http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/2033/fairchildrepublic282232.jpg (http://img600.imageshack.us/i/fairchildrepublic282232.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme. Let's give this one a go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/6a6d734d.jpg

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

Is that the lovely Lear 35..?

[skytrain10]

Is that the lovely Lear 35..?
Good enough :ok:...its actually a USAF C-21A, but I doubt there is a significant difference.

You have control.

[Kerling-Approsh KG]

Thank you!

Still without my images, so OPEN HOUSE!

[India Four Two]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Cockpit2010-12-07.jpg

[evansb]

Bagalini Bagalianti ?

[India Four Two]

Never heard of it, bri, but it's not the challenge aircraft.

Of course, I had never heard of the challenge aircraft either, until yesterday ;)

[India Four Two]

Time for some clues?

Single engine, high-wing, 1950s, limited production.

[evansb]

Simon, you've posted a tuffie. A limited production high-wing monoplane with no forward bracing visible, and most of the gauges do not look like original equipment. I doubt the wood panel is original either, but I really need another clue. Is it VW powered?

[India Four Two]

bri,

The view from the cockpit is nothing like you would expect when you see the exterior of this aircraft.

This particular example has been restored for a museum, to commemorate a feature of the prototype.

Is it VW powered?

The answer is no, but there is a connection.

[asw28-866]

Wow, sheer luck that the VW mention got me looking for a German type. I propose the Putzer Elster. If correct, open house as am busy aviating for next few days. Very interesting challenge.

'866

[India Four Two]

'866, that's the one.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Elster_am_Boden_mit_Porschejpg86241.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Elster_Anflugjpg86246.jpg

A bit like a stretched Tri-Pacer. This one was re-furbished by the Porsche Museum. The production aircraft had Continentals or Lycomings, but the prototype had a Porsche engine.

Pützer Elster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%BCtzer_Elster)

The lack of visible bracing in the cockpit is surprising.

Pützer eventually became Sportavia.

As '866 said, Open House.

[asw28-866]

Sportavia Putzer! Of course, manufacturer of the wonderful RF4-D and RF5, my family were the UK agents for in the 60's and early 70's. All powered by VW's to boot.

[evansb]

Another mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP101211.jpg

[India Four Two]

bri,

1930s-1940s, American, SE fixed-pitch prop?

A very unusual altimeter that I have never seen before.

[evansb]

Simon, yes, SE, fixed-pitch, and designed by a famed American aeronautical engineer, but not from the 1930s or 40s.

[evansb]

Clue time: Designed in 1960. First flight in 1962.

[ozbeowulf]

I don't know what it is, but I don't like those over-long bolts in the windscreen frames. Imagine how much fun it would be to have one or two of those go into your skull in turbulence or during a nose-over.

Glenn

[SincoTC]

In need of a coffee time challenge, no idea of your current SC as yet, but this cockpit looks like a Bowers Fly Baby to me!

If correct then Open House please.

[evansb]

SincoTC is correct:ok: The Bowers Fly Baby.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/yfb1.jpg

[India Four Two]

I don't like those over-long bolts in the windscreen framesozbeowulf,

I had similar thoughts when I saw those bolts. I also thought "there goes another half pound from the useful load".

bri,

While unsuccessfully searching for the Fly Baby, I came across this panel with the same unusual altimeter:



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Cockpit20101214.png

There are some other similarities with the Fly Baby, besides the altimeter, but then there are some major differences too.

[India Four Two]

Time for some clues.

Similarities with the Fly Baby - low-wing open-cockpit monoplane with external bracing wires, taildragger, fixed-pitch SE.

Differences - radial engine. Needs a BIGGER hangar.

[India Four Two]

Re-reading my clues, I see that I might be accused of misleading you all, so delete the word "monoplane" and in the Differences line, add "and one other, LARGE difference".

[RegDep]

Sounds like a Stipa Flying Barrel re-incarnation.....:ooh:

[India Four Two]

Nice try, RegDep, but I meant large as in size, not volume.

You need a hangar with a door 30 feet wide to store this aircraft.

[India Four Two]

Another clue:

The lady by the wingtip might be looking up at a passing aircraft or she might be looking at part of this aircraft.

[RegDep]

You need a hangar with a door 30 feet wide to store this aircraft.

OK, My next question/comment would be "how high?". 30 ft is not so much BIGGER than the 28 ft needed for Baby when its wings are not folded. And you removed "monoplane" from your clues but left low-wing. So what is up there for the lady to gaze? A LARGE blimp?

(Edit to say that I did not steal your aerodrome. I was there already yesterday but missed the correct one.)

Ach! Pitcairn Autogiro: Sun n’ Fun 2010 Grand Champion Antique Winner! Or the Flying Dinosaur.

[India Four Two]

RegDep,

Yes, a magnificently restored Pitcairn PA-18 (not to be confused with a Super Cub):
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Pitcairn4544671147_738f633af9.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Pitcairn4545030109_3ec63f677f.jpg

A 40 foot rotor which would just squeeze into a 30 foot hangar on the diagonal. The big issue is the height, which I haven't been able to track down, but I'm guessing it must be about 15 feet.

Here's a video from Oshkosh 2009 showing startup, rotor-spinup and a circuit and landing YouTube - Airventure 2009: Pitcairn PA-18 Autogyro Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4vLyc2MZdM)

and here is a video of the PCA2 showing a more impressive takeoff and landing performance YouTube - PCA2 Autogiro Flying (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdcbtVW0g0)

Finally, a fascinating 70 minute EAA webinar with Andrew King, the PA-18 pilot, discussing the restoration and flying characteristics EAA Video Player - Your Source for Aviation Videos (http://eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=86879608001)

I have become a Pitcairn enthusiast after discovering this marvellous aircraft.

RegDep, over to you (and no problem about the aerodrome ;) I hadn't even started to look in Mozambique)

[RegDep]

Thanks I42,

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/cockpit.jpg

[evansb]

DG-500 series ?

[RegDep]

I am afraid not.

[asw28-866]

Distinctive panel shape, is that original? I would guess at a side opening canopy and if the vario is anything to go by a fairly early (70's?) glass glider. Am I warm?

[RegDep]

My understanding is that it is original. Mid 70s glass glider.

[ExAscoteer]

Looks like a PIK-20 to me.

[RegDep]

There might be a connection, but the challenge is not PIK-20.

[RegDep]

Just to update:

The glider is of 1976 model, but the variometer is from 1973.

And the panel is original.

[asw28-866]

series production or one-off?

[RegDep]

Over 1000 manufactured in a handful of versions.

[RegDep]

Maybe the camera lens has been a bit too short and made the panel disproportionate to the rest of the "pointy head"...

German....

[evansb]

Grob G 102 Astir CS ?

[RegDep]

Yes, that's it! :)

Over to you. :D:D:D

[evansb]

Thanks RegDep. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP101220.jpg

[asw28-866]

Obviously vintage, made of trees, guessing German as they had a liking for the panelled glazing...Rheinland?

As for the previous one, who would have thought the 'concrete swan'? Mind you there wouldn't be many gliders to hit 1,000+ in number.

In the unlikely event of being correct, open house as working soon, called off standby!

'866

[evansb]

asw28-866 is correct. :ok:The FVA-10B Rheinland. The FVA-10A had a different instrument panel. He says it is OPEN HOUSE.

[India Four Two]

who would have thought the 'concrete swan'?

I had to think about that for a minute. Is the origin of the nickname in any way related to the two-seater G103 we had in Alberta in the 90s being referred to as the Plastic Pig, because of its weight?

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning.

I'm an intruder from Silhouette Challenge.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossis-1.jpg

[sycamore]

I`ll guess it`s the `bridge `of an `erkranoplane`,..

[SincoTC]

I'm an intruder from Silhouette Challenge

I thought the name was familiar! So am I, everybody must have gone Christmas shopping!!

I wouldn't rate those wipers any good for much IAS, so it's a hovercraft, nice glass displays so it's probably a USN LCAC ?

Open House if correct please

[Lightning Mate]

Well I've seen a cockpit of an Ektranoplan, and it's ancient compared with this.

[Lightning Mate]

Well well - look who just pitched up. :)


nice glass displays so it's probably a USN LCAC

Sure is mate. :ok: Back to SC......

[Lightning Mate]

SincoTC has declared Open House.

[evansb]

Here is the next mystery ship:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP101221.jpg

[SincoTC]

Good morning evansb,

A single seater, with four "Motors"; I think it's the Solar Impulse "Around the World electric flyer" ?

If correct then Open House please!

[evansb]

SincoTC is correct.:ok: The SOLAR IMPULSE is not nostalgic but certainly historic. As you say, OPEN HOUSE.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/HB-SIA-Prototype-Solar-Airplane-21.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Open House?

Eess Seemples:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/outsideit.jpg

[sycamore]

Inside would give it away...B-52 ?

[Lightning Mate]

eezy peezy!

Your turn mate. :ok:

[sycamore]

BUFF...nothing to offer ,so,OPEN HOUSE

[Noyade]

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1062/keeptrying.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/keeptrying.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Single-engined gun armed fighter - probably sixties and American.

[Noyade]

All of the above...except from the forties.

[evansb]

Boeing XF8B-1 ?

[Noyade]

G'day Bri.

Not a Boeing but it is/was a Naval aircraft. According to the caption the line drawing shows controls for the afterburner.

[sycamore]

Mc Donnel MF-3B Demon...

[Noyade]

Not a McDonnell product sycamore.

First flight was in 1946.

[skytrain10]

Vought F6U Pirate?

[Noyade]

Vought F6U Pirate? That's the one mate! :ok: The version with the Solar afterburner. Your control.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9270/piratep.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/i/piratep.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme - going to call it a night now, and busy day tomorrow, so Open House.

And seasons greeting to you all :)

[Lightning Mate]

Here ye all go.

That includes you skytrain:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/olderthanme.jpg

[sycamore]

Could it be French ?

[Lightning Mate]

Nein mein freunde.

[sycamore]

German then,with a `parasol` wing ,and possibly 3 seats ?

[Lightning Mate]

Nicht Deutche....

[Cubs2jets]

Ryan M-1

C2j

[Lightning Mate]

Excellent call C2j.

You have control. :ok:

[Harley Quinn]

Nearly two weeks now, perhaps it would be appropriate to go OH?

[Cubs2jets]

:O:O:rolleyes: Please go ahead! I was distracted by the holidays and have just come back - unprepared. Apologies to all!! Open House.

C2j

[RegDep]

Anyone interested?

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Jakobselv.jpg

[skytrain10]

P-39 Airacobra?

[RegDep]

That's it Skytrain!

Now, move the thread!

[skytrain10]

Thanks RD.....

Here's something a little more modern:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/b5527181.jpg

[sycamore]

Refer to P246,for Lear 35......!!!

[skytrain10]

Whoops, posted the wrong one....sorry guys, please ignore. Open House.

[skytrain10]

As no one else has jumped in, this is the one I should have listed:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/e938f947.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

If mine eyes see a g-meter there, is this an aerobatic aeroplane?

[skytrain10]

There could be a G-meter (not that I would know what it looks like!), but definitely not an aerobatic aircraft LM.

[Peter-RB]

Lysander..?

[skytrain10]

Peter, not a Lysander...wrong continent!

[sycamore]

I fancy it may have `sea-legs` ?

[India Four Two]

There is a North American feel to the cockpit. but some instruments just don't look right to me.

Is it the CA-15 from Australia?

[skytrain10]

I fancy it may have `sea-legs` ?
Good shot, but not just sea-legs...

There is a North American feel to the cockpit. but some instruments just don't look right to me.

Is it the CA-15 from Australia?

Not from Australia. Stick to the North American feel...but not literally.

[sycamore]

If it looks like a duck,squawks like a duck,and walks like a duck,then it probably is a Duck, J2F ?

On second thoughts,possibly an O2SU Kingfisher ??

[skytrain10]

Not a Duck or a Kingfisher Sycamore...nor any other "bird" variety!

[sycamore]

Douglas SBD/A-24 Dauntless ?

[skytrain10]

Not a Douglas product sycamore.

[sycamore]

Vultee Valiant aka `Vibrator` ...?

[MReyn24050]

Brewster SB2A Buccaneer possibly?

[skytrain10]

Not the Valiant sycamore, but Mel has it, its the Brewster SB2A Buccaneer.

File:Brewster SB2A cockpit.jpg - Wikimedia Commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brewster_SB2A_cockpit.jpg)

Well done Mel:ok:. You have control.

[MReyn24050]

Great challenge Ken Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz368.jpg

[sycamore]

Rocket powered ?

[MReyn24050]

Not Rocket powered.