What Cockpit? MK VI

[Noyade]

I "try" to solve these cockpits by imagining what they would look like from the outside. From your challenge it appears to be a "rising sun" (from the front) of four frames supporting five panels of glass. Well, to me it does. Am I anywhere near close?

I was thinking American biplane fighter, but nothing seems to fit...

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3534/28396623.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/28396623.jpg/)

[aviate1138]

Is it from the Boeing P-26 Peashooter vintage?

[evansb]

Noyade! Your sketches show great insight. I use a similar approach in determining the mystery aircraft. Fenestration plays a part to be sure. The O-43 was inline powered, but its replacement, the O-46 was radial powered. Notice the similarities of your drawing to the 3-view model drawing of an O-46A:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/O46A-1.jpg

[Planegill]

Yes, Brian is spot on as usual. It was the Douglas O-43A observation aircraft. You have control .......

[evansb]

Thanks Pg:ok: Your challenges are superb! Thank you for keeping this thread alive.:D Here is the next mystery cockpit:http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091229.jpg

[evansb]

Clue time: The aircraft was a depression era ancestor to a more popular model.

[Noyade]

Cessna AW?

Only reason I mention it is because I read that Cessna closed the factory after 75 were produced, due to the depression.

EDIT. Now that I just typed that, I suspect it wouldn't have had two control columns...:hmm:

[evansb]

Not from Cessna, but from a competitor.

[NutherA2]

Piper J4 Cub Coupe?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Piper. The mystery aircraft first flew in 1931.

[aviate1138]

Stinson Model W or maybe the R 2/3?

[evansb]

aviate1138 is correct:ok: Well done:D Known as the "Old Goat", the Stinson Model W was a predecessor to a great line of Stinsons. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/NC12146_Late30s.jpg

[aviate1138]

Thanks b

Temporary thread drift......

Due to the arrival of George and the ensuing family tumult I must declare an Open House and also a very Happy and Prosperous New Year.

George born 01:10 01/01/10

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/IMG_0473-1.jpg

Back on track...... Open House...

[Noyade]

Congratulations mate, he's georgeous :ok: You clever bugger! Your first?

George born 01:10 01/01/10There's gotta be an omen in there somewhere?

[aviate1138]

No N this is a step Grandchild. It is SWMBO's first grandchild. :rolleyes:

Happy New Year in the Antipodes.

[Noyade]

No N this is a step Grandchild.Sorry. This is why my wife doesn't like me to meet her friends or take me anywhere!

Happy New Year to you too!

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4158/pprune.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/pprune.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

I have up dated the list. See What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest Lists Sticky above.
Mel

[evansb]

Westland CL-20 Autogiro ?

[Noyade]

All yours Brian! :ok:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5310/cl20l.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/cl20l.jpg/)

[evansb]

Thanks Noyade. WW.II created a great many designs, but it also derailed many interesting ones, like the CL.20. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100102.jpg

[Kitbag]

A very utilitarian Republic Seabee?

[evansb]

Smaller than a SeaBee, it first flew in 1944, and was powered by a 85-hp Pobjoy radial.

[Mechta]

Landgraf model H-2 Helicopter ? (Picture courtesy of Aviastar.org)
http://www.aviastar.org/foto/landgraf.jpg

[evansb]

Spot on Mechta.:ok: You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/plywood_helicopter.jpg

[aviate1138]

I have to ask the question - A helicopter [smooth plywood design!] flown only using a stick and throttle - why are there not thousands of successors flying today?
85 hp 100 mph - pretty good figures if true.

[Mechta]

A very good challenge Evansb. Certainly a pretty looking helicopter, and not one I had ever heard of. Stange thatthe Americans used a Pobjoy given all the small radials the had over there. My initial thought when I saw the cockpit picture was that it might be the one from Cessna. Then I found that had more glazing low down.

See how you get on with this:
http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz96/s4racergp/Cockpit2guess040110pt.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Yugoslavian?

[Mechta]

No, not Yugoslavian. Much closer to home. Well, manufacture at least.

[sycamore]

Chipmunk MK 23,

[Mechta]

Sycamore, Spot on :ok: How did you manage that?

G-AOTF is an ex-crop sprayer, hence the single seat and faired-over front cockpit. Now an RAFGSA glider tug at Odiham. Oomph is provided by a 180hp Lycoming. It was a nice day on Saturday! Above the fin is our club's Bessonneau Hangar, soon to go to New Zealand.

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz96/s4racergp/ChipmunkG-AOTFcropped-3.jpg

[sycamore]

Mechta, easy,scooter(mods) wing mirrors,no cable cutter,cockpit internal shape,flap lever,side rails,t & s,punch tape all over,had to be Brit!! No slats on wings?

OPEN HOUSE..

[evansb]

Regard!
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100105.jpg

[sycamore]

Westland Widgeon,over Paris..

[evansb]

Correct:ok:. sycamore has control.

[sycamore]

open house...

[Noyade]

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4625/93336400.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/93336400.jpg/)

[sycamore]

Rutan Varieze ?

[Noyade]

Rutan Varieze ?Not the Varieze, but you're certainly on the right track.

American.
Kitplane
Pusher...

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7066/20463436.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/20463436.jpg/)

[Kitbag]

First of the line then- VariViggen?

[Noyade]

Certainly Variviggen in appearance but not a Rutan product. I'm clueless..so here's a small photo...

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8839/24323800.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/24323800.jpg/)

[aviate1138]

Flashback to evansb #4033

Westland Widgeon with John Crewdson in control.

Another shot of John in action on another movie.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture1-5.jpg

[Noyade]

We're done?

so here's a small photo...Cockpit and associated photos were of the Sun Aerospace Sun Ray 100.

1984 | 0708 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1984/1984%20-%200708.html)

http://www.aerofiles.com/sunray.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5899/sr0314533.jpg

Open house again.

[evansb]

Next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100108.jpg

[sycamore]

The mind just `boggles` at the thought of trying to read instruments beyond one`s feet ! Cockpit ergonomics were obviously considered. Some helicopter,probably on skids,must be USA,or Quebec....

[aviate1138]

I would have a go at the Rotorway A600 Talon ?

[evansb]

Yes, aviate1138, it is a Rotorway Exec self-built helicopter. You have control.

[aviate1138]

Found this one in the bottom of the parrot's cage.....

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture3-3.jpg

Sorry about the quality....

[evansb]

De Havilland D.H. 11 Oxford ?

[aviate1138]

The similarity in appearance is quite striking. Different country of manufacture. Around 320 built. I think only one DH 11 Oxford was flown?

[CaptCirrus]

That's not one of those RAA things is it?

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100108.jpg

[evansb]

I believe it is the cockpit of an AEG G.IV. I've viewed a verson of the aircraft whilst visiting my nation's aviation museum in Ottawa.http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/AEG_GIV_bomber.jpg

[aviate1138]

Once again evansb you are the Main Man. You have control. :)

Another view of the G.IV - taken from almost the same angle

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture4-10.jpg

[evansb]

Thanks. Your G.IV cockpit photo shows propellor FOD screens to protect the gunner/observer, absent in the subsequent photos.

Perhaps this cockpit challenge will draw new participants to this thread?:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100112.jpg

[evansb]

Clues: The above cockpit is a mockup, and the construction technology of the proposed aircraft represents a first for the company and a first for the category.

[innuendo]

Could we be looking at something from Bombardier?

[evansb]

Yes, from Bombardier.

[aviate1138]

Being a Learjet fan could that be the Learjet 85? The first all composite Lear body since the Learfan!

[mustpost]

Hmmm, had discounted Bombardier originally, is it the new CS100/300?

[evansb]

aviate1138 is correct. :ok: The Learjet 85. Your turn.

[aviate1138]

Thanks evansb. I declare an Open House

[aviate1138]

As things seem slow I will pop in this little number. The manufacturer and cockpit designer will do as the model number has not yet been announced.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture4-11.jpg

[sycamore]

Control columns look like leftovers from Jetstream/HS125,and they`ll also foul the ashtray/coffee-cup holders,so whoever it is..back to the drawing-board !!

[aviate1138]

Maybe the control column has transducers so movement is barely perceptible? Anyway this designer doesn't often have to go back to the drawing board. A quick 180.....

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture2-2.jpg

[evansb]

I can't speak for the cabin furnishings, but is the cockpit from BMW Group Design Works USA, for Embraer's new medium-range jet ?

[aviate1138]

Correct! evansb does it again. The design company btw is one Pininfarina[working with BMW]. Often to be seen producing items such as this one off Ferarri P4. You have Control evansb.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture4-12.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture5-6.jpg

[evansb]

Wow! What a car! Continuing on the theme of mockups, here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100117.jpg

[evansb]

Clue: Although the photo is of a mockup, the aircraft has actually flown.

[twochai]

Early mockup of Kawasaki P-1 ASW aircraft, to replace P-3C in JASDF service?

[evansb]

Yes twochai, it is the Kawasaki XP-1 patrol aircraft.:ok: Well done.:D You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/1904px.gif

[twochai]

http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/hosted/289212011



The eyebrow windows of the XP-1 were the giveaway. I hope they modified the windshield wiper pivot points and the structure beside the pilots' outboard knees, before they released it for flight?

Alright, here we go with another (easy) one.

(If anybody is able to help me make this image work, I'm open to advice.:mad:)

Otherwise, OPEN HOUSE>

[MReyn24050]

Here is a nice easy one to keep things moving.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz352.jpg
Mel

[India Four Two]

While twochai is sorting out his posting problems, I'll offer this one:

Image deleted. Mel beat me to it while I was posting. ;)

[MReyn24050]

Sorry about that India Four Two.
Mel

[aviate1138]

Is this of Japanese origin Mel?

[MReyn24050]

aviate1138. Sorry for the delay. Yes it is of Japanese origin.
Mel

[one11]

Tachikawa Ki77 ?????

[MReyn24050]

one11. You have it. :ok: Is is the Tachikawa A-26.


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/tachikawa_ki-77.jpg

The A-26, later redesignated Ki-77, was a long-distance record aircraft with a remarkably slim fuselage and finely tapered wide-span monoplane wings. The first prototype flew on November 18, 1942. Two built.

You have control.

[one11]

Thanks Mel. Here is the next challenge..............

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2001.jpg

[one11]

This looks to be in need of a clue.

Built specifically for racing purposes, this type was believed capable of re-capturing the world speed record for its pilot. Instead it killed him.

[one11]

........and it's older than first impressions might suggest

[MReyn24050]

Wild guess the De Monge 5.1? In whichDe Romanet was killed.

[one11]

Wild ...but correct.:ok:

The De Monge 5.1 of 1921. Intended for the Coupe Deutsch and British Aerial Derby races but failed to compete in either. Converted from biplane to monoplane form with fatal results to pilot Count Bernard de Romanet due to flutter in the now unsupported upper wing.
Pictures and info from the late Tom Foxworth's The Speed Seekers 1975.

Back to you Mel.


http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2301.jpg

[aviate1138]

Off Topic.

De Monge, the man who designed the fabulous Bugatti 100P?

[one11]

That's him. Belgian Viscount Louis Pierre de Monge de Franeau, founder of the WW1 propellor manufacturer Etablissememts Lumiere.

Bugatti Aircraft Association - News (http://www.bugattiaircraft.com/news.htm)

[MReyn24050]

one 11.. The reason for my statement "Wild quess" was that I thought the subject aircraft had a radial engine, other factors seemed to fit i.e. the cockpit door and side windows and I was not too sure if it was a biplane.
Many thanks for a very interesting challenge.
Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz353.jpg

[India Four Two]

Mel, no guesses so far, so I'll have a go.

British, 1920s, cabin monoplane, low-wing, Gipsy engine? How am I doing?

[MReyn24050]

India Four Two
Sorry for the delay. It was British, however a bit later than the 1920s, it was a low wing cabin monoplane with a Gipsy Major engine and was a structurally innovative one-off aircraft.
Mel

[sycamore]

Something from Vickers ?Geodetic construction?

[MReyn24050]

This one was not from Vickers or built using geodetic construction introduced by Barnes Wallis at Vickers. At first the Ministry of Aviation rejected the novel form of construction used on this aircraft.
Mel

[one11]

Sounds like it could be the DeBruyne Snark ?

[MReyn24050]

One11 .:ok: You have it, it is indeed the DeBruyne Snark otherwise known as the Aero Research Snark.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/aeroresearch_snark.jpg
In 1931, Doctor Norman de Bruyne, a professor at Cambridge University founded the Cambridge Aircraft Construction Company in a workshop at the flying school at the Cambridge airport. He was the first pupil of the school, learned to fly and soon bought a Gypsy Moth biplane. Convinced that British aircraft design had 'got stuck in a rut', he and a friend designed and built a low-wing monoplane called the Snark. The project took three years, and he changed the name of the company to Aero Research, and moved it to Duxford, ten miles south of Cambridge and the site of the Ciba-Geigy plant that today makes Aerolite.

The Snark was an all-wood design assembled with casein glue which was the only glue available with even the slightest water resistance.

Though stressed plywood skinned aircraft had been built before, it was claimed at the time that the Snark was the first to have be designed with full stress calculations, including loads carried by both wing and fuselage skins.
You have control.

[one11]

Something a bit more substantial........

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2501c.jpg

[sycamore]

Ilya Mourametz ? or is it an airship ?

[one11]

Not Ilya Mourametz and certainly not lighter than air

[Cubs2jets]

Donier DO X?

C2j

[one11]

It IS the Do.X. Thought it might have been listed before but apparently not.
Here is an outside view of those cockpit (or should it be bridge) windows.

You have control C2J

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2501cx.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

LOL !! My answer was just an "off the cuff" guess!

OK, here's the next challenge:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/WhatcockpitA.jpg?t=1264462684

C2j

[India Four Two]

C2j,

I presume it is a US aircraft, possibly a trainer.

I love the fact that it has two placards about lowering the wheels before landing. I can envision an angry crew-chief making a stencil in large letters, after a spate of gear-up landings.

[Cubs2jets]

I42,

It is a U.S. aircraft

How are things in Saigon? (Wife's from there all family still there.)

C2j

[MReyn24050]

The Martin XB-14 perhaps?
Mel

[Cubs2jets]

Mel is on top again ! :ok:

The Martin XB-14 was a development of the Martin B-10 bomber. As retractable landing gear was a "new" feature on airplanes at the time, ample warning was given to the pilot to remember to lower the gear before landing.

C2j

[India Four Two]

How are things in Saigon?

"Same-same" but more crowded every day. ISA+18 and getting hotter as the end of the dry season approaches.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks C2j. Here is an interesting aircraft.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz355.jpg
Mel

[sycamore]

Seems like a VFR only test aircraft,probably Brit,single jet,lots of circuit breakers for test equipment,etc,similar era to HP115 methinks...

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay in my response. This aircraft was not from the UK, it was a test aircraft and flew a few years earlier than the HP 115.
Mel

[India Four Two]

GAF Pika - the piloted Jindivik?

[MReyn24050]

I42 you have it.:ok: That is the one the GAF Pika 2.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/pikasmallrx5.jpg
You have control.

[India Four Two]

Thanks Mel.

It was a bit of an inspired guess. The British T&S made me think it might be Aussie or Kiwi and the Pika was the only one I could find that fitted the timeframe. There can't have been many jets that flew with that old style T&S.

I had never heard of it. The only Aussie designed and built jet.

Here's my latest (mini) contribution:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/WCJan28.jpg

I was going to post a Convair L-13 cockpit, but then I discovered it had been previously posted under its alter-ego - the Stinson L-13.

[aviate1138]

a wild stab.....

Deperdussin Racer

[India Four Two]

Not a Dep.

I've found a larger picture. Beautiful woodwork.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/WC28Jan.jpg

[VX275]

An SE 5 Replica?

And that seat is definately non aviation in origin.

[India Four Two]

VX275 - you're 50% right. ;) Not an SE5, but it is a non-flying replica of a one-off aircraft.

Yes, I noticed the seat too. I agree with you.

[India Four Two]

Time for a clue?

It is a British biplane.

Correction: I have just discovered that there were at least two built. Described as being suitable for "the owner-pilot or the owner and pilot-chauffeur".

[one11]

Hawker Cygnet ???

[India Four Two]

Interesting guess, one11. Not the Cygnet.

Although about the same size as the Cygnet, this aircraft was definitely not ultralight. Its gross weight was about twice that of the Cygnet and its empty weight was three times as much! It also had six more cylinders.

[evansb]

Boulton Paul P.9 ?

[India Four Two]

Bri, very, very close.

I have realized I may have misled everyone with my previous correction. :\

This aircraft WAS a one-off and was used for research and as a company hack/demonstrator.

[evansb]

Boulton and Paul P.6 ?

[Agaricus bisporus]

Why is the seat "definately not aviation in origin?" It's in an aeroplane...
I don't think the mag switches are aviation in origin either, wickerwork seats and domestic light swirches are common in vintage aircraft. What does that signify?
:confused:

[India Four Two]

Well done, bri.

Sorry for getting BP 6 and BP 9 confused, although clearly the 9 was developed from the 6.

The replica is in the little-known (and rarely open) Boulton Paul museum in Wolverhampton (http://www.boultonpaul.com (http://www.boultonpaul.com/))

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/boulton-paul-p6-front.jpg

My pictures came from here: Mili Blog | military items | military vehicles | military trucks |Military Badge Collection Museum Visits - Boulton Paul Heritage Project Open Day 19 April 2009 (http://miliblog.co.uk/?p=492)

AB, what VX275 was referring to is the armrest which looks suspiciously like the powder-coated arm of a modern stacking chair. This is even clearer in another cockpit photo on the Boulton Paul website.

bri, you have control.

[evansb]

Thanks Simon. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/cockpit-3.jpg

[mr ripley]

White Knight Two

[evansb]

mr ripley is correct:ok:. Scaled Composite - Virgin Galactic White Knight Two. You have control.

[mr ripley]

OK try this:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f191/mjg66/Cockpitish.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Hawker Sidderley 125 perhaps?

[sycamore]

Think it`s actually a Dominie(RAF)....

[mr ripley]

Not a 125 but a Dominie.

sycamore has it

[India Four Two]

I suppose Mel and sycamore could argue the point, but to me the name Dominie conjours up four wings, bracing wires and Gipsy Queens.

[MReyn24050]

I42 I must admit I agree with your description of a Dominie but then that is my age talking.
However I will concede to sycamore, the cockpit shown was that of the Hawker Siddeley/BAe HS-125-2 Dominie T1.
Mel

[mr ripley]

OK
The picture is of a Dominie, which is a 'named' varient namely a Series 2 HS125. Therefore MReyn24050 is quite correct.

You have it then :)

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Mr Ripley, I am quite happy to give the accolade to sycamore, however if he has not got one to post I can cover.
Mel

[sycamore]

Sorry Boys,we won`t argue,as I haven`t anything anyway...!!

[MReyn24050]

Here is a nice easy one to go on with.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz354.jpg

[Agaricus bisporus]

How about Airspeed Envoy?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry AB it is not the Airspeed Envoy.
Mel

[Capot]

Still on the Airspeed theme...

Airspeed Consul?

[MReyn24050]

Capot this one is not an Airspeed aircraft.
Mel

[norwich]

How about an Avro theme ? 639 Cabin Cadet ???? ish ???

Keith.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Keith this one was not from Avros.
Mel

[aviate1138]

Ignoring the apparent A is this possibly a Potez 62 or 650?

[evansb]

Cunliffe-Owen OA-1 ?

[MReyn24050]

You have it Bri. :ok: It Cunliffe-Owen OA-1
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/oa1_v1-1.jpg
You have control.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. What a rare find! Interesting lifting body design with Burnelli influences. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100203.jpg

[asw28-866]

Replica Fokker Eindekker?

ASW28

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Fokker. It is a replica. I apologize for posting this, as it was previously posted. My photo had an incorrect caption, so it didn't show up on the list. We can continue until it is identified. Sorry again.:\ First correct answer is officially declared a "boffin"!:)

[aviate1138]

Is it a 1913 Deperdussin Monoplane replica?

[evansb]

Sorry aviate1138, not a Deperdussin. It is a monoplane..

[leader3]

is it a

Blackburn monoplane

[evansb]

Sorry leader3, not a Blackburn. Not from Great Britain.

[evansb]

It is a beautiful handcrafted replica Etrich-Taube. Open house.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/TAUBE1.jpg

[leader3]

as know one has stepped forward here is one which has been on before
but a long time ago.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii186/leader03/bronco2.jpg

[aviate1138]

Is this the front or rear cockpit? Thanks.

[sycamore]

I`m guessing ,but how about the Schweizer `Q` a/c, as it`s got a `P` tube in the back.......

[con-pilot]

First off I believe that we are looking at the cockpit of a crop-duster. Yes, no?

[leader3]

aviate 1138 yes it is the rear cockpit!!

sycamore, im affraid not, it not a schweizer 'Q'

and con pilot it is not a crop duster but your on the right track.

tony.

[aviate1138]

I'll go for an OV-10 Bronco?

[leader3]

correct aviate
it is the rear cockpit of the californian department of forestry
Bronco OV10.
over to you Aviate.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii186/leader03/bronco5.jpg

[aviate1138]

leader3 - thanks. I wish I owned one......... :) My sort of machine.

And now for something completely different.......

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture6-3.jpg

[leader3]

Nearly 24 hrs and no attempts!!!

ok here is a wild guess to start the ball rolling
how about
Moulton B Taylors Aerocar model 1

[aviate1138]

leader3,

Wrong continent, also this device was not very successful and less than 50 were built. 1926 era

Entered service in 29 and obsolete before entry!

Big clue - had gun positions at rear of engine nacelles, which could be reached from the fuselage because the wings were so thick.

[aviate1138]

Another day another clue.

J Clarkson would call the constructors a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys.

[one11]

Purely from the clues, sounds like a Bleriot 127 ?????

[aviate1138]

one11, you have the helm/control/stick. A Bleriot 127/2 Well done!

What a beast......

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture11-3.jpg

Lower two are 127/3 I think

[one11]

Thanks Aviate1138. Here's my contribution.....Doug

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1002.jpg

[evansb]

Dee Howard H350 (Super Ventura) ?

[one11]

You have it Evansb - the Dee Howard rework of the WW2 Ventura included this upgraded cockpit.

[evansb]

Thank you. Dee Howard company included Bill Lear. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100211.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Must be one of those two seat, armoured Air Tractor AT6xx that DEA wishfully thinks will stem the flow of cocaine.

C2j

[evansb]

Sorry, not an Air Tractor AT6, nor is it Columbia. The mystery aircraft is now available in an ethanol fuel version, although the version pictured burns avgas.

[asw28-866]

biggest user of ethanol is Brazil, so Embraer Ipanema?

866

[evansb]

866 is correct. The Embraer EMB-201 Ipanema. First flown in 1970, over 1,000 have been produced in several versions. In this case, Ipanema refers to a large farm/coffee plantation district, not the beach in Rio. You have control.

[asw28-866]

sorry chaps, nothing to hand so open house

[one11]

Another from way back....

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1402c.jpg

[leader3]

thats not a real aeroplane you have just drawn that!!!!!

If it is then how about a de Havilland DH91 albatross

[one11]

It is , or was, real . Not the Albatross but ..........

[leader3]

a de Havilland DH86A Dryad.

[one11]

Yes a DH.86A, or as the Players Cigarette card from which it was sourced describes it "Qantas Empire Airways . Bridge of Commonwealth Class Airliner".

Leader3, You have control.

[leader3]

this one has been here before but some time ago
it should be very easy.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii186/leader03/gnatcockpit.jpg

[sycamore]

L3, OTOH,a picture is worth a thousand words ........

edit 1720...ahhha,picture arrived,a Gnat`s whisker after I posted; OH if so...

[NutherA2]

Is that what someone's done to a Gnat's rear cockpit to civilise it?

[leader3]

actually its the a single seat Folland Gnat

not to sure what sycamore was trying to say
so i will hand it over to
NutherA2

[NutherA2]

Thanks, but Open House as I don't have the wherewithal

[evansb]

The next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100216.jpg

[Dan Winterland]

I think he was trying to say that you left the description of the aircraft in the photobucket file name. it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to discover it's a 'gnatcockpit'.

If it's a single seat gnat, isn't it then a Midge?


And as for the instruments. I know the old AHARS was hard to use, but it has to be better than that in the picture. The scan must be horrid for an aircraft with such high performance.

[stilton]

Is that a Xingu ?!

[evansb]

stilton is spot on:ok: The Embraer EMB-121 Xingu. You have control.

[NutherA2]

[QUOTE]f it's a single seat gnat, isn't it then a Midge?

IIRC Folland's Midge was the original, lower powered, aircraft from which both the single- and twin-seat Gnats were developed; it was effectively the Gnat prototype and only one or two were built.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Single seat Gnat. Dozens built.

Fo.141 Gnat : Single seat lightweight fighter aircraft.

Gnat F.1 : Single-seat lightweight fighter version for Finland and India. This was also built in India under license as the HAL Gnat.
HAL Ajeet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Ajeet) : Single-seat Mark. 2 development of the Gnat F.1
Trashed a fair few F86 Sabres by all account too.

The Midge was the initial design (1 built) that was developed into the Gnat.

[evansb]

stilton is probably unaware there are rules on this thread, or doesn't care. In his absence, I hereby declare open house.

[India Four Two]

While we are waiting, that Gnat cockpit looks like it has been civilianized. Does anyone know the source of the photo?

[leader3]

That Gnat cockpit photo was taken by me at north weald about 6years ago.
i have looked through other photos taken at that time and i dont have any others.
so i cannot identify the registration of that aircraft.
i have looked closely at that photo and still cant find any clues.
sorry not a lot of help!!!

[Agaricus bisporus]

Well - so which Gnat was it? The Cranfield one I recall was Arnold Glass' s 2 seater machine in red arrows colours - is this the one?

[innuendo]

stilton is probably unaware there are rules on this thread, or doesn't care. In his absence, I hereby declare open house.

Might be nice if there was a way to make those rules a bit more noticeable. Unless you are a regular here you may not pick up on the pecking order. I committed the same offence some time ago as I was unaware of the rules. It wasn't that I didn't care.:ok:

[stilton]

Oops, not aware of the rules on this thread Ladies and Gents. If someone could kindly point me in the right direction for these...



Is it my turn now ? !

[aviate1138]

Yes, Stilton you can post a cockpit of your choosing but check Mel's handy sticky [What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest Lists.] at the top of the page to avoid any repeats.

:) [cheesy grin]

[evansb]

Yes, stilton, it is your turn to post a mystery cockpit photo. The person who correctly identifies the mystery cockpit has 12 hours from confirmation by the originator, to post a challenge. If you are unable to post a photo, you can declare open house, thereby allowing other ppruners an opportunity to post a mystery cockpit photo. :)

[Noyade]

Open house?

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3765/ouchh.jpg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/ouchh.jpg/)

[sycamore]

Somebody`s front room ?

[leader3]

looks like the Jupiter 2 space craft from
lost in space!!!

[Ridge Runner]

Is it your front room, Graeme?

[Noyade]

Is it your front room, Graeme?

:ok: The windows are a bitch to clean but we're happy with it.

Here's the front yard...

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5742/42433346.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/42433346.jpg/)

[VX275]

This is the first time in this thread that I've seen the whole aircraft and I've still not got clue to what it is. :D

[Noyade]

Okay, I think we've had enough of the floating alien head. It's the Canadian 21st Century Airships SPAS 13 of 1994, registration C-FRLM, which was a semi-rigid helium airship demonstrator powered by two 50 hp Rotax 503 engines.

Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Hi guys. I've just migrated from the Silhouette Challenge thread for a while.

Noyade has declared Open House, so:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat.jpg

[sycamore]

One of the `cousin`s` XF- models ?

[Lightning Mate]

Not XF, but you're close.

[evansb]

Hmm...three joysticks. I have a hunch, but I'll let others have a stab.

[Lightning Mate]

Hmm...three joysticks. I have a hunch, but I'll let others have a stab.

Well spotted evansb.

left reaction control
centre conventional
right high g control

Why not go with your hunch?

[sycamore]

X-31 or Himat ?

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry sycamore, but no.

On "Silhouette Challenge" we usually stick to the 24 hour rule, so I might have to reveal it soon.

Clue shortly.

[Lightning Mate]

Try

www.uscockpits.com (http://www.uscockpits.com)

Then look under X

[sycamore]

Thought it was the X-15 at first glance,but the curved coaming looked like a w/screen arch,whereas the X-15 one was a chisel.
OH....

[Lightning Mate]

But it is the X-15.

There appear to be several versions/modifications.

The thread is all yours. :ok:

[sycamore]

Open House....

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit challenge: Sorry, posted previously, standby for new cockpit photo..

I checked the list, and this one is not on it:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100225A.jpg

[evansb]

Thought some ex-Squaddie woulda got this'n by now.. Left right..

[MReyn24050]

From an Ex-squaddie check your PMs Bri.
Mel

[VX275]

Rats, you've posted the only other cockpit I had available, although my version has a No 62 wireless set in the right hand panel.

[India Four Two]

bri,

It's morning here and I've just seen your post. Initially I thought high-wing Piper or Taylorcraft or something like that, but then I saw the dreadful panel layout and and the British tachometer, and then read your Squaddie hint and wondered if there were Any Other Possibilities?

[asw28-866]

Please tell me the 'Left' and 'Right' on the command seat rudder pedals are on the picture not the a/c!

866

Auster AOP9?

[evansb]

866 is spot on.:ok: The Auster AOP.9, complete with factory supplied rudder pedals. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/aac_haf_auster_410.jpg

[twochai]

Please tell me the 'Left' and 'Right' on the command seat rudder pedals are on the picture not the a/c!


Its a valid question. The UK Army was the only DHC-2 Beaver operator able to mis-interprete the on/off position of the fuel selector lever. They even retrofitted a different knob, IIRC!

[evansb]

This thread is obviously on life support. I declare OPEN HOUSE.

[MReyn24050]

Here is one to keep it going for a short while:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz356.jpg

[sycamore]

Bristol Beaufighter...

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay, not the Bristol Beaufighter however.
Mel

[evansb]

Westland Welkin ?

[sycamore]

H-P Hampden ?

[MReyn24050]

This one is neither the Westland Welkin nor the Handley Page Hampden.

[sycamore]

Martin Maryland/Baltimore

[MReyn24050]

Sorry sycamore this one was not from the USA.
Mel

[VX275]

Fairey Albacore?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry, not the Fairey Albacore.

[GANNET FAN]

Can some kind person direct me to where the cockpit list is stored?
Thanks

[Capot]

Gannet Fan, if you are thinking what I was thinking, which you're probably not, it isn't a Gannet. I looked that up and it's been done. MReyn24050, of all people, wouldn't get that wrong so I deleted my offer of "Gannet".

The list is a sticky at the top of Aviation History and Nostalgia.

[MReyn24050]

As Capot rightly says:- The list of Cockpits can be found under the "sticky" What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest Lists. at the head of the topics to the Aviation History and Nostalgia thread. Lists of "which aeroplane" and "what silhouette" can also be found under the same sticky.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Not at all sure and cannot confirm: Brigand?

[GANNET FAN]

Capot, thanks thats the one I was after. Not after Gannet! I was just looking for the list which if I had used my eyes I could have found for myself!!

[MReyn24050]

Sorry larssnowpharter this one was not from the Bristol stable.
Mel

[India Four Two]

Short Sturgeon?

[MReyn24050]

I42. Not the Short Sturgeon I am afraid.
Mel

[sycamore]

Did it ever see service in the RAF?

[MReyn24050]

No, the aircraft in question did not enter RAF service.

[aviate1138]

I am going for the Savoia Marchetti SM 89 but not holding my breath!

[oldpax]

Blackburn B-20

[evansb]

Mel, does the cockpit belong to this aircraft?:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100302.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay.
Bri has published a photograph of the aircraft at Post# 4247 above :ok:. Could we have a name or manufacturer and type for it?
Mel :)

[evansb]

The Gloster F.9/37. Photo above is second prototype (L8002) with Rolls Royce Peregrine engines.

[MReyn24050]

Bri.
That is the one.:ok:
You have control.
Mel

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. The F.9/37 was said to have pleasant flying characteristics.
Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100303.jpg