What Cockpit? MK VI

[evansb]

Sorry, not a civil B-52. Not a flying boat. The craft was designed in the late 1950s, and had defensive armament. The photo is a still frame from a film. Interior reflections are visible on the cockpit windows. Yes, the crew looks civilian, but they were not.

[Kitbag]

Desperate suggestion- YB 60?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Convair YB-60. The mystery aircraft never actually flew.

[Ridge Runner]

It was a serious design evansb? It looks too trekky to me, with the panels of the F/Es (or whatever they are) looking like something out of Thunderbirds! I'm struggling to belive that it was real, or intended to be serious. RR

[evansb]

Quite perceptive RR. The cockpit was made for a sci-fi movie in 1957. It is not attached to a real aircraft by any means. If you know the name of the movie, you can determine the name of the aircraft.

[Ridge Runner]

So does it actually have a name?

[Ridge Runner]

A quatermass something?

[evansb]

The aircraft did indeed have a name, and had two sister ships. The movie was released under two names.

[Ridge Runner]

Blimey!! I can't find it, not even on sci-fi film web sites........

The film was released in 1957 or filmed in 1957?

[Ridge Runner]

"The Deadly Mantis" film????

[Kitbag]

Not the XY 21? Just looked up SF films fom 1957, can't believe how awful so many of them were.

[Ridge Runner]

Me too.... I didn't see the XY 21 though! Which film?

[evansb]

Not The Mantis, nor the XY 21. The film was released in November, 1957, and released in the U.S. in 1959. Here is a scene from the movie:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091019A.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

So it is "The Mysterians" from Japan?

Is it meant to represent C-124s?

[evansb]

Yes, it is from "The Mysterians". Now name the aircraft.

[Ridge Runner]

the C-124???????

[evansb]

Not the C-124. Here is a photo of the ship:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/edfairship3.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Now I'm stumped. The only references I can find name the C-124 and F-104 as "participants". What is the "ship" and where do the aircraft come in to it? RR

[Ridge Runner]

How about the "Question Mark" (Fokker)? That was an aircraft and is linked to the film via a rock group! The other two aircraft were the C-1s?

RR

[evansb]

One would have to watch the movie to know it is the cockpit of the rocket propelled airship known as Airship Alpha of The World Air Force. Her sister ships were Airship Beta and Beta 2.The film was originally released under the title Earth Defence Force.
Ridge Runner has control. Here is a shot of her sister ship:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/edfmatte.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks evansB. A tenuous one but fun!!!!! Here's a real one!!!!! RR

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/PPrune191009.jpg

[sycamore]

Sukhoi Su-7 UM,or Su-15 UT, 2 seater trainers.

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry, but no, not either of those Sukhois. RR

[Kitbag]

RR the XY 21 was featured in 20 Million Miles to Earth, which is probably closer than I am to working out what you have posted.

I'm not wholly convinced this is a Soviet aircraft

[Ridge Runner]

I didn't say it was or wasn't!

Thanks re the XY 21.....

Enjoy your day.

RR

[sycamore]

MiG-25 trainer,rear cockpit ?

[Ridge Runner]

Not a Foxbat

[Ridge Runner]

One smidgen of guidance.. it is not a rear seat (although technically it is as it is a single seater)!! RR

[Kitbag]

Okay, so why have dual artificial horizons in a single seater with blinds to cover the cockpit. Is this one of the early Yak 141 VTOL prototypes

[sycamore]

Okay,no gunsight,no radar screen,twin engined Russian(all the instruments confirm that),single seater, screen to keep out the cosmic bits,should I call a friend..`Mystic Meg ` perhaps ?

only thing bothering me is the split windscreen...

[evansb]

Yakovlev YAK-25R ?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, EvansB, the YAK-25. Over to you

[evansb]

Thanks RR. Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/cockpit_tsc1.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Martin M-130?

C2j

[evansb]

Yes C2j,:ok: it is Pan Am's China Clipper. Your turn.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/SCAN0174.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Thank you evansb. A lucky off the cuff guess on my part. Pretty sure those were Pan American uniforms, water out the office windows, narrow cockpit...

Sorry for they delay in my posting. Here is the next What cockpit.

C2j

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/whatcockpit.jpg?t=1256217666

[Kitbag]

Does this also have a maritime element? P2V Neptune perhaps?

[evansb]

Martin PBM Mariner ?
http://www.baseballinwartime.com/images/martin_pbm.jpg

[Kitbag]

Just found the original myself, don't know why I missed it. PBM 5A Mariner. Evansb continues to uphold his reputation as a top spotter :ok::D

[evansb]

Thank you. Not many players as of late. Here is one that may draw in a few new players:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091025.jpg

[sycamore]

Curtiss SBC-3 Helldiver ?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Curtiss.

[sycamore]

ow about an F3F from the `Ironworks` ?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Grumman.

[aviate1138]

How about a Vought V-173? Or the later XF5U-1? Hedging my bets! :rolleyes:

[Ridge Runner]

How about the Dauntless? I'm not so upon cockpits but is that a sight for dive bombing? If so ther are few possibilities. RR

[evansb]

Not from Douglas. It is a Vought dive bomber, but not the V-173 or XF5U-1.

[MReyn24050]

SB2U-2 Vindicator perhaps?

[evansb]

Mel, you are correct:ok: The Vought Vindicator/Chesapeake. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3c2f_3.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Bri. I am surprised we have not had that before. Here is the next one. Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz349.jpg

[paulc]

A stab in the dark - Lake Renegade / Buccaneer

[Agaricus bisporus]

Appallingly bad taste, whatever it is.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry paulc, not a Lake Renegade / Buccaneer.
Agaricus bisporus, you may be right but I am sure whoever built it would disagree.

[Cubs2jets]

Well, it appears to have a single pusher engine. Instrumentation/radios appear to be American in origin. Styling appears to be 1980's. It's not the Anderson-Greenwood AW-14 or the Cessna XMC.

Was it built by a manufacturer or is it "homebuilt"?

C2j

[MReyn24050]

It is a "homebuilt" aircraft.

[Planegill]

Looks like one of those French G802 Orions?

[MReyn24050]

Planegill has it. It is a Grinvalds G-801 Orion. :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/7031.jpg
You have control.

[Planegill]

Here is a new challenge:

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestN.jpg

[evansb]

Quite a challenge! The Starck AS-57/4 ?

[Planegill]

Yes, well done Bri. It is the Stark AS57.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/StarkAS57.jpg

See http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/archives/essai/stark_as57.pdf

[evansb]

That was a tuffy! A common category but a very rare aircraft. Thanks PG!
Here is the next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091030.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/wcp091032.jpg

[Planegill]

It looks like that strange looking Canadian amphibian the Creative Flight MPA Aerocat?

[evansb]

Correct PG:ok: Well done:D The Aerocat Amphibian all-composite kit-built aircraft has a choice of single or dual engines. First flight of the single engine was in 2001, the twin in 2002, and Transport Canada certified the design in 2003. Your control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/air-air.jpg

[Planegill]

Here is a nice easy new aircraft.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestQ.jpg

[evansb]

Hmm...I don't understand why no one else is posting on this thread. Is the mystery cockpit a MBB Bo.209 Monsun ?

[Planegill]

Yes, Bri is correct as usual. The Bolkow 209 Monsun, a type certificated production aircraft. (I don't know why this one took so long.) There must be a few sitting around airfields in England. Over to you.

[evansb]

Thanks. Yes, I expected some responses from GB and the continent. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091106.jpg

[CoodaShooda]

Eagle 150 or 150B?

If so, open house. :O

[evansb]

Yes, you are correct:ok: The Australian designed all-composite kit-built Eagle 150B. As he says, it is open house.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/eagle1_l.jpg

[evansb]

Anyone care to write the obituary for this thread?

[stevef]

The problem is to find cockpits that haven't been offered before! Perhaps a solution would be to allow previously posted cockpits but not the same photograph...
I'm sure that would rejuvenate the thread. Opinions?

[Kitbag]

I've done it unintentionally in the past and there are often interesting variations in long lived aircraft types. I say go for it and give us less knowledgeable guys a chance.

[TheOptimist]

There is some serious cheating going on in this thread.

[Kitbag]

Ouch! Thats a bit of an accusation to make, care to tell why you think that?

[TheOptimist]

Mainly because for just about every aircraft in this thread, it is 'guessed' within one or two posts or the picture being put up. For some planes that's to be expected. Most people (including myself) could identify a C150 from a mile off.

However, there are so many rare planes in here that there's no chance people are just getting them off the top of their heads. There'll be a picture of an obscure amphibian plane that only flew 7 times in 1964 and someone will apparently know the cockpit layout. I don't think so.

Not that I'm attacking the integrity of anyone in here, it's only an informal game, but there are definately some porkies being told.

[Noyade]

Still open house? If so, here's one...

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1341/cpt2113580.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/cpt2113580.jpg/)

Perhaps a solution would be to allow previously posted cockpits but not the same photograph... Any chance of accepting close-up canopy/cockpit shots from the outside as challenges? e.g....

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2860/utr.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/utr.jpg/)

[Woods]

VS-44, open house if so. I'm not a very good player because I have great difficulty posting images. HOWEVER, aircraft cockpits have been a lifer-long hobby as I'm sure is true of many, so this thread has been a great enjoyment.
There are several types I've never seen and hope to, here. I could agree with various views of the same types, but not canopy close-ups. That's a whole new thread. I don.t go along with cheating accusations. Whatever for?

[Noyade]

G'day Woods! Swift and accurate mate, the Sikorsky VS-44A flying-boat. :ok:

[aviate1138]

Optimist?

I find the accusation of cheating to be way off the beam! If I manage to get a cockpit right [doesn't happen often] it is because I plow through pages of Google images having entered many search words in pursuit of finding the solution. It has opened many interesting pathways and finding answers can take some minutes/hours/days. Mel and Brian and others seem to have encyclopedic knowledge and I bow to their expertise.

Cheating? Exactly how does that take place on this forum?

[TheOptimist]

Aviate using google is what I classify as cheating :E

As I said before though I don't intend any personal digs, the game is obviously only a bit of fun. I'm also sure there are people in here who genuinly know their stuff! But then again I suspect there are more than a few who look at the properties of the image to identify the thing...

....or use google! Heathens.

[Ridge Runner]

I think you may be in the wrong place, mate. It is fun and certainly some really do know their "stuff" but others don't and it is a rewarding learning process to either look up in books or wade through google. Its not cheating. Give the people on this thread and others more respect. RR

[TheOptimist]

Twice I've explained that I mean no disrespect and that I am only playing about. I'm sorry if you've taken it the wrong way but I'd suggest that if you can't take a light-hearted dig, you might be in the wrong place. Regardless I shall leave the thread never to return.

[Ridge Runner]

Optomist,

As I said before though I don't intend any personal digs, the game is obviously only a bit of fun. I'm also sure there are people in here who genuinly know their stuff! But then again I suspect there are more than a few who look at the properties of the image to identify the thing...

....or use google! Heathens.

You may feel that you are "only playing about" but your tone doesn't reflect that, at least not to me. Although you say there are no personal digs you certainly harbour some kind of upset, viz this quote.

Let's draw a line under it. If you're still on the thread, great. Let's enjoy it for what it is.

RR

PS: I am certainly in the right place.....

[stevef]

I like Noyade's suggestion of external cockpit photos. One vote from me!
As it's open house, I'll wade in with an old one from my Photobucket account. I don't know the answer myself; it's long forgotten. :O
I'm sure someone will be along soon with the identity.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/cockpitchallengeoct24.jpg

[one11]

Looks familiar, I think the same shot may have been up before, anyway Junkers G.31, Lufthansa

[stevef]

That's the one!
One11's in the hot seat. :ok:

[one11]

If this thread is really under threat ( Post # 3821) then one option would be to extend the scope to cover any interior - the payload bit as well as the driving seat. I proposed such a seperate thread a while back but the mods closed it down on the grounds that there were too many of these "What ?" threads.

Anyway this one here would qualify under either category.

....Doug
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1211.jpg

[Kitbag]

Single drivers seat, fabric over tube fuselage and pointed w/screen, one of De Havillands' Rapide/Dragon series?

[one11]

Not deHavilland

[VX275]

Airspeed Ferry

if so open house as I've never figured out how to post pictures even though I've got some good ones.

[one11]

Yes, Airspeed Ferry it is/was.

VX275 - have you checked the Image Posting on PPRuNe thread in the "Sticky" section at the head of this History & Nostalgia thread ? Meanwhile, as you say, OPEN HOUSE.

[VX275]

one11 thanks for that, I supose I'll have to give it a try.

I hope no one will accuse me of cheating, as my answer was a product of pure deduction.
With all those windows it had to be an ugly aeroplane and the shape of the cockpit ones just screamed 'Ferry'.

BTW the Ferry is so ugly I rather like it, its that mix of inverted and upright engines I like and have often wondered if a replica would be possible.

[evansb]

An RC model of the Airspeed Ferry was built. Here is the next "What Cockpit?":
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091114.jpg

[Kitbag]

Early Cessna 337/O-2?

[Ridge Runner]

Broussard???

[evansb]

Not a Cessna, nor a Broussard. It is a twin-engine pusher though. The company originally made aeroengines, and branched into airframes in the early 1930s.

[one11]

Twin engined pusher ........Piaggio P.136 maybe

[evansb]

Sorry, not Italian, French, nor American.

[one11]

Praga E.211 looks possible..........

[evansb]

Yes, very possible. one11 is spot on:ok: Well done:D The CKD Prage E.211 it is. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/E-211_4.jpg

[one11]

Just in case people are tired of round dials, this one does not seem to have been listed before

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1611.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Global Express/Challenger?

[one11]

No, but as I am going to offline for some hours now and you have named others from its family, I'll accept these - its actually a CRJ 200. You have control.

[Ridge Runner]

Thank you one11. Here is one that might go very quickly..... RR
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/PPrune171109.jpg

[Tu.114]

Ilyushin Il-62?

[Agaricus bisporus]

Whatever it is I hope someone will explain that weird control column?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, Tu.114, the IL-62. This one is sat in the grass at Kiev-Zhulyany. You have control..... RR

[Tu.114]

Thank You, Ridge Runner. Am I right in assuming that the smaller yoke is the nose wheel steering tiller on that plane by the way? Here is the next picture to consider: http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/Tu114/171109.jpg Tu.114

[sycamore]

Possibly a Convair 580 ?

[one11]

Vickers Viking ( or Valetta/ Varsity) ???

[Tu.114]

This one has no connections to Convair or to Vickers.

[evansb]

Bedek B101 ?

[Tu.114]

EvansB, it is not the Bedek. But this guess is somewhat warm, as the picture in question is from a mockup of an unbuilt airliner.

[Tu.114]

Maybe another hint is in order: this plane was designed in an European country.

[evansb]

Hamburger Flugzeugbau HFB 314.

[Tu.114]

evansb, sorry, it is not the HFB-314. But the design in question is actually quite similar in some ways.

[evansb]

Dresden 160 projekt ?

[Tu.114]

EvansB - it was designed by the Dresden airplane works indeed, but it is a plane that got a little further than the 160 in the design process before cancellation.

[evansb]

I am at my wits end. Is it the Dresden 154 ?

[Tu.114]

EvansB, I am sorry again - it is not the 154 design, but You are 99% there. As You seem to be the only one involved at the moment; shall I post the solution in order to get the thread going again?

[Ridge Runner]

I'm here but without an idea!!!

[Tu.114]

So be it then. Gentlemen, if You agree, I will wait until I am back home tonight - maybe there is someone feeling like taking a guess until then. And if the cockpit is not named, I will post the solution and some pictures of the aircraft it was installed in.

[Ridge Runner]

that is OK for me

[evansb]

I've unearthed a plan of a regional airliner from Herr Doktor Pieter Korrell's archive, the type 155, similar to the VFW 614. Is this the mystery ship?

[Tu.114]

You never cease to impress me, EvansB - you really must have a sizeable vault full of airplane documentation. Indeed, it is the 155 jetliner design by VEB Flugzeugwerk Dresden that was supposed to be a much more potent replacement of the Il-14P. They came up with a turboprop powered version and also one jet powered variant which seems to have been liked better as they even built a full scale mockup of it: http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/Tu114/1552.jpg Apparently the left wing is missing for some reasons; the fuselage beside it belongs to the mockup of the 153A twin turboprop airliner that also got stuck on the drawing board. Here is a three-view of the plane as it was supposed to look: http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/Tu114/1551.jpg In 1961, all these planes fell victim to the cancellation of the whole GDR airliner industry - it simply was not feasible for the country to build large airliners on its own. Your controls...

[evansb]

Absolute first class challenge :ok: My brain is still bleeding:} The concept of the regional jetliner seems to predate the regional turboprop! Shades of the SAAB 340, Jetstream 41, YS-11, Avro 748, and ATP are visible in the PK-153-A design. Quite prescient.
Gents, here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091120.jpg

[Kitbag]

BAC Jet Provost T3a c/n 13885

[India Four Two]

You came very close to stumping the panel. I think that would have been a first for What Cockpit.

[evansb]

Kitbag is spot on:ok: The Hunting/BAC Jet Provost. Your turn.

[Kitbag]

lucky guess for the search:O

Nothing to post since personal circs have changed so open house.

[Tu.114]

Noone? Then let me offer this in the meanwhile: http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/Tu114/241109.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

a Ju188?????

[Tu.114]

Ridge Runner, this plane has been influenced by Junkers designs indeed, but it is no Ju188.

[Tu.114]

Although this is a drawing, this plane has actually been built and flown. It was not built in series however and did not see combat duty.

[Ridge Runner]

One of the Russian copies/projects based on Jus?

[Noyade]

The OKB-1 EF-140 maybe?

[Tu.114]

Ridge Runner - this aircraft has been built in Germany, but the Red Army took it to the USSR for flight testing. Noyade - yes, OKB-1 was heavily involved in this aircraft. It is not the EF-140 though.

[S'land]

Could it be the Ju EF-132?

[Ridge Runner]

Therfore the EF-131?

[Tu.114]

Ridge runner, you are right - it is the EF-131, a development of the Ju 287 jet bomber with six Jumo 004 mounted in sets of three below the wings. It was discontinued despite promising test flights, as it was deemed too small - Soviet interest shifted to much larger strategic bombers.

Your control.

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks Tu.114. I have nothing at the moment so OPEN HOUSE

[Agaricus bisporus]

The description of the Ju287 fits the bill, but the photos don't match the sketch.

[MReyn24050]

It was declared open house so here is one to go on with.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz350.jpg
Mel

[MReyn24050]

24 hours and over 360 viewers but no takers. Time for a couple of clues first flew early 1960s and european.
Mel

[India Four Two]

Mel,

Just based purely on the appearance of the stick, is it German?

[MReyn24050]

Hi I42. No this aircraft was not from Germany.
Mel

[evansb]

Pilatus P-4 ?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Pilatus P-4, Bri.

[Planegill]

Is it the Malmo MFI-10 Vipan?

[Planegill]

Is it the Malmo MFI-10 Vipan?

[MReyn24050]

It is indeed the Malmo MFI-10B Vipan. :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Malmo-10BVipan.jpg
AB Malmö Flygindustri (MFI) first commercial success - the small MFI-9 - took to the air in 1961. The same year the MFI-10 ”Vipan” (”the Lapwing”) began its flying trials. If the MFI-9 became a success, the MFI-10 unfortunately became the opposite.

MFI started in 1955 to design a larger aircraft than the MFI-9. This new four-seat aircraft would be suitable for the Army’s need of fire direction and liaison. It would also be possible to use the aircraft as a flying ambulance and as a trainer, tug and for photographing. And, not least it would be in the market as a pure private aircraft.

The Vipan was a high-winged design to give good visibility. Its tail-wheel made it possible to use unprepared landing strips and it could take off in only 180 metres.

Three Vipan were built. The two last were ordered by the Army for evaluation. As these two had a more powerful engine (Lycoming 0-360- A1A of 180 hp) than the prototype, they were called MFI-10B and got the Army designation FPL 54. They were delivered to the Army in 1963.Their registration numbers were 54001 and 54002, later changed to 54381 and 54382.

You have control.

[Planegill]

Here is a new cockpit challenge:

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestR.jpg

[aviate1138]

Is it a Latham 47? Not holding my breath :rolleyes:

[Planegill]

Sorry Aviate1138, not the Latham 47. This was a single-engined aircraft.

[Kitbag]

Weirdly French looking- Potez 33?

[Planegill]

Hi Kitbag. Not the Potez 33. THis was an American aircraft.

[evansb]

Cessna BW ?

[Planegill]

Hi Brian
This aircraft was not produced by a well-known company. In fact I believe they only ever made 4 examples of three different models.

[Planegill]

Another clue?
This aircraft is still extant, although it was recovered from Alaska as a derelict.

[one11]

recovered from Alaska as a derelict

That, after the other clues , maybe suggests the American Pilgrim 100.
Cheers, Doug

.....but the window arrangement doesn't look right !!!!

[one11]

but the window arrangement doesn't look right !!!!

...more like a Fairchild 71B......but that would be a well known company!!!!

[evansb]

Thaden Argonaut.

[Planegill]

Yes, well done Brian. It is the Thaden T-1 Argonaut. Over to you.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/Thaden-T1-1.jpg

[evansb]

Thanks Pg. Superb challenge.:ok: Here is the next 'What Cockpit?':
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091203.jpg

[one11]

Muscariello Musca from Italy ?

[evansb]

one11, It is Italian, but Muscariello Musca does not match my source. If you have a photograph that confirms, please post, otherwise, I await a matching answer.

[one11]

Hi Brian,

This is the Musca 1B - your close-up has a bit more de-luxe look to it - a derivative ? , or possibly has an alternative name, having been built by Ali Viberti...................Doug

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/musca.jpg

[evansb]

Yes, Doug, that is the aircraft. :ok: You have control.

[one11]

Thanks Bill - Did you have a different title for the Musca ?

Here is my next challenge.......Cheers Doug

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune0312.jpg

[stevef]

Something about this suggests a German manufacturer.

[one11]

Not German but the manufacturer had German connections

[Kitbag]

Fokker CO4?

[one11]

Fokker but not a CO4. This one was still around for a brief part in WW2

[Noyade]

Fokker D.XVII?

[one11]

It is a D.XVII. Noyade, you have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks one11. Lucky guess. I don't think this is on Mel's list...

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8494/97080682.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/97080682.jpg/)

[aviate1138]

Could it be a Pfalz DIII ?

[Noyade]

Sorry mate, not a Pfalz, not German.

[aviate1138]

OK Then I'll try a Spad XIII and I won't hold my breath...........

Change of mind, Spad VII seems more suitable..... :)

[Noyade]

Not a Spad but it is French (Parasol monoplane fighter).

[aviate1138]

So many clues......thanks. :)

Finally... I hope? A Morane-Saulnier L?

[Noyade]

G'day mate! Morane-Sauliner, but not the L. This machine is a later model and an example still flies with the Salis Collection at La Ferté. It once belonged to Jean Salis's father and was restored during the 50's and 60's.

[aviate1138]

The A1 it has to be? He said, having been handed the 'guess' on a plate!

Looking through Mel's list there are quite a few cockpits missing but finding the pics to match is not easy..........imho.

[Noyade]

The A1 it has to be?

Nicely done mate! :ok: Your control.

[aviate1138]

Thanks Noyade! You did it yourself really! :)

Give me an hour to find.... anything with a joystick.......


http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/pprune121-1.jpg

Now then, there is more than one type of aircraft with the same designation. All by the same manufacturer. I am going by the name listed in the USA aircraft registrations data using the
registration I removed from the pic. With reference to Mel's bible of course [without which there would be so much repetition!]

[evansb]

Pitcairn Autogiro ?

[aviate1138]

evansb

Not a Pitcairn autogiro, this machine is a biplane.

Just noticed that a Pticairn Autogiro is listed but is much lower on the alphabetically listed page.

[sycamore]

Jimmy Edwards moment` Oh Wacko!`, or a WACO O Series.?

[aviate1138]

sycamore, sorry, Waco is not the right answer. Head a little North and lot more East [500 miles or so]

[evansb]

Did the mystery aircraft carry mail on a C.A.M route ?

[aviate1138]

evansb
I am pretty sure your suggestion is on track!

[evansb]

Pitcairn PA-7 Sport Mailwing ?

[aviate1138]

evansb - well done - close enough for anyone but a pedant. :)

However.....

Pitcairn didn't make things easy as.....

PA-7 Super Mailwing 1929 (ATC 196) = 3pOB; 225hp Wright J-6; span: 33'0" length: 23'9" load: 1129# v: 135/155/57 range: 520. POP: 2 [NR213M, NC684E].
Pitcairn PA-7M [NC876M] (Frank Tallman coll)

PA-7M Super Mailwing 1929 (ATC 196) = 1p PA-7 as mail plane. POP: 10 [NC94W, NC351V, NC378V, NC545K, NC825N/826N, NC876M/877M, NC7967].
Pitcairn PA-7S [N95W] (K O Eckland)

Pitcairn PA-7S [NC13158] (Frank Rezich coll)

PA-7S Super Sport Mailwing 1929 (ATC 196) = 3p sport version of PA-7. $8,500; POP: 16

PA-7S [NS53W, NC54W, NC68M/71M, NC95W/97W, NR213M prototype, NC824N, NC10375/10377, NC10379, NC13158]

The Civil Aircraft USA registry has it listed as...

NC 13158 Pitcairn PA-7S

You have control, evansb.

[evansb]

Ah...the elusive Pitcairn PA-7S. Does the "S" in PA-7S mean "Sport", or "Super Sport"? Chevrolet's designation of "SS" would have made it easier. My 35 years experience in dealing with aircraft designations has led me to conclude that it is indeed a Pitcairn of a certain "S" designation. :ugh:Regardless of the specific model, that is one beautiful aircraft:ok:! I want to fly it! Good challenge BTW. Here is the next "What Cockpit?":
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091212.jpg

[evansb]

Clue time. Powered by a Lycoming O-360. The designer contracted a large corporation to build the aircraft, but the production rate was too slow, so the design was sold to a third party, which built the model pictured.

[Planegill]

Looks like a tandem gyrocopter?

[evansb]

Yes, it is a tandem gyrocopter.

[evansb]

As there was no response to the above clue in 24 hours, here is the mystery aircraft. The Air & Space 18A Flymobil. Open house.

[Noyade]

Couple of beers...flick through some old magazines (1992)...check Mel's list...scan and post. Very rare. Only one built as far as I can tell.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8857/ambiancei.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/ambiancei.jpg/)

[twochai]

Morrissey 2150??

aka Shinn, aka Varga.

[Noyade]

Morrissey 2150??

Sorry mate, but no. However it is American. The designer/builder's surname is Halsted.

[Mechta]

Halsted BH1 Saffire by Barry Halsted, reg N297 ?

[Noyade]

Halsted BH1 Saffire by Barry Halsted, reg N297That's him! :ok: Your control.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4817/saffire.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/saffire.jpg/)

Aircraft N297 Photo by Doug Robertson (http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/228299.html)

[aviate1138]

Now why didn't Piper make a version? :)

Happy Christmas to all you Cockpiteers! Although not a PC type, Happy Holidays to all those who are!

[Mechta]

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/462/feetintheair.jpg

Thanks Noyade

This is my first attempt at an image upload, so fingers crossed...

[Mechta]

No takers so far; so here's a clue:

Take a letter off a notorious private military company, and the same letter off a military rumour factory, and you have the designer and his other series of aircraft.

[Super Cecil]

This photo is invalid due footware. Sandals and socks negate any intelligent aviation conversation.

:8

[Mechta]

Super Cecil, Mechta's SWMBO says she is in total agreement with you; however enforcement of your policy will alienate most gliding instructors and a large part of the British scientific community... :eek:

[evansb]

Is it a Goat3 ultralight sailplane ?

[Mechta]

Well Done EvansB, I wasn't sure anyone would get this. :ok:

I think its actually the Bug 2 biplane glider, but I only deduced that from the properties on the original photo, so Goat is close enough.

Mike Sandlin has produced the Bug & Goat series of gliders, and published the drawings on the internet. Type in "Sandlin Goat Glider" on Google and you should find his website. He says he has done over 60 miles on one of them.

Here's the Bug

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9353/bugglider.jpg

and here's the Goat

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/4145/goatglider.jpg

So EvansB over to you!

Cheers, Mechta

[evansb]

Thanks Mechta! Unusual challenge. Here is the next "What Cockpit?":
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091218.jpg

[Super Cecil]

Gondola off something?

[evansb]

Gondola? It is a bi-plane.

[Harley Quinn]

Was going to be obvious and say Front seat of a Gunbus, but I wonder if it isn't an RAF FE2?

[Super Cecil]

Stick looks fixed.

[evansb]

Not a Vickers F.B.5 Gunbus, nor RAF FE2. That is not the joystick, it is a gun mount. The joystick is not in the drawing, nor is the gun.

[aviate1138]

A Morane Saulnier Type N Bullet?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the M.S. type N. As mentioned, it is a biplane. The windscreen, also not included in the drawing, was mounted just above the gun pass-through.

[Mechta]

How about the F.E.8 ?

[evansb]

Not the R.A.F. F.E.8, but similiar in configuration. The mystery aircraft is a bit older.

[VX275]

DH2
I presume what was thought to be the control column is the mount for the Vickers machine gun.

[evansb]

VX275 is correct:ok: Most likely a .303 Lewis gun. The De Havilland D.H.2, also built under Airco DH-2.
There is a flying replica DH-2 based in England. You have control.

[VX275]

http://http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/aeronut100/WebTransfer#5404429502144064674

[Capot]

VX275, I've taken the liberty of trying variations of that URL

and got this, which I hope is what you wanted,

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_-_ZbPmywezE/SwBj_5DwLKI/AAAAAAAAADk/hwIV7yDYs_Q/s800/wotisit1.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/aeronut100/WebTransfer#5404429502144064674

[Mechta]

General Aircraft Hamilcar Glider ?

[VX275]

Capot thanks for that, you can tell this was my first attempt at posting pictures can' you. I'll go back to the posting tips and figure out what I'm not doing right.

Mechta, No not the Hamilcar, now you just need to go through all the other wooden gliders.

[MReyn24050]

The next obvious wooden glider is the General Aircraft Hotspur.

[VX275]

Sorry not the Hotspur

[aviate1138]

I will try the Slingsby Hengist?

[VX275]

Getting colder with the Hengist. This cockpit belonged to a one off (of sorts)

[Noyade]

Maybe one of the four slightly different GAL 56 tailless gliders?

[aviate1138]

Just in case it isn't a GAL glider I will enter the Armstrong Whitworth AW52G as a possibility?

[VX275]

To get this one out of the way before I disapear for Christmas I'll just say that it is a GAL design with a tail.

[Noyade]

We must be running out of GALs soon? :)

GAL 55? Although that appears to be side-by-side trainer?

[MReyn24050]

I would have thought it was more likely to be the General Aircraft GAL.56, sweptwing tail-less glider.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/gal5601.jpg
However, you state it has no tail so it is not the GAl.56

[MReyn24050]

Unless it is the G.A.L. 50, a half scale version of the Hamilcar.

[VX275]

The GAL 50 is correct.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks VX275. A very interesting challenge. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz351.jpg

[Harley Quinn]

Something from the Bucker stable?

[MReyn24050]

this one was not from the Bucker stables, sorry.

[sycamore]

Vultee Valiant/Vibrator ?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Vultee Valiant/Vibrator I am afraid. Sorry for the delay.
Mel

[Planegill]

Looks like the Curtiss-Wright CW-21?

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/CW21.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Planegill :ok:. You have it as according to my source it is the cockpit of a Curtiss-Wright CW-21B.
You have control.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/curtiss_cw-21.jpg
Mel

[Planegill]

Thanks Mel.
Here is a new challenge to warm up for the New Year, if you have recovered from the Xmas festivities.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestS.jpg

[Harley Quinn]

This looks like a high speed racer from between the wars. The raked windscreen puts me in mind of a Caudron design, the C460, yet the placards are in English. American Weddell-Williams 22?

[Planegill]

Sorry Harley, not a racer. This was a production aircraft.

[Mechta]

I thought it might be a Percival Mew Gull in one of its iterations, but they were racers...

Maybe a Waco QCF ?

[Planegill]

Hi Mechta. You are quite right, it is not a Percival Gull of any kind. The cockpit is far too well-organised to be a British aircraft. It is not from the Waco stable either. Right side of the Atlantic though.

[evansb]

Douglas O-43 ?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/us_douglas-o-43_1933.jpg