What Cockpit? MK VI

[aviate1138]

How about a Ryan X-13 Vertijet? :)

[dash7fan]

On the instrument panel is a rpm indicator, a manifold pressure indicator, on the left side a throttle lever, a mixture lever, maybe a prop lever and a mag switch.

For me it seems to be a single engined piston powered plane with american instruments, but I have no idea what ist is.

OK, disregard this message

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Ryan X-13 Vertijet. It is American, and it is piston powered.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/OZchallenge.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

Many thanks, Bri, for covering me while my computer was down and for adding that photo in the last clue.

I'll add a bit of a clue, too. This aircraft had a configuration similar to several later, more successful, military and civilian aircraft.

[LowNSlow]

Looks like the unsuccessful (but not according to the History Channel who reckoned it could have shortened WW2) Curtiss XP-55 Ascender to moi.

Open house if it is.

[ozbeowulf]

Well Done, LowNSlow!! As you asked, it's now Open House!

It is indeed the XP-55 Ascender, an aircraft that always reminds me of the later Burt Rutan designs.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/xp-55_2.jpg

Except Rutan did a better job!

Cheers,

Glenn

[aviate1138]

Slight thread creep but.....

File:Miles Libellula M 35 UO235.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Miles_Libellula_M_35_UO235.jpg)

File:J7w.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J7w.png)

Did Rutan really do a better job?

[ozbeowulf]

Without trying to extend the thread creep TOO much, I'll just say this...

Canard planforms have been around since before the Wright brothers, so the XP-55 wasn't ground-breaking on basic design principles. Of course, Curtiss-Wright was limited by working with 1940-ish technology and, thirty-odd years later, Burt Rutan had the Swedish Viggen for inspiration. Still, Rutan's first canard design -- the Vari-Viggen -- was stable, unlike the Ascender. Rutan used to demonstrate that by flying a circuit with the stick at full aft travel from the start of the takeoff roll to a full stop after landing. The aircraft's nose would nod up and down but it never fell out of the sky, unlike the XP-55. Or so I've been told.

There was, of course, only one tiny detail that made the difference. The angle of incidence of the Vari-Viggen's canard was such that, when approaching a stall, the canard stalled first, which unloaded the wing, dropped the nose and re-established normal airflow over the canard.

Curtiss-Wright was a very capable aircraft manufacturer, but on this occasion, they just didn't make the mental leap needed. It happens.

And, yes, there were other successful canard designs. I'm just more familiar with Rutan's work.

Doesn't anyone have a cockpit challenge to post? :)

Glenn

[aviate1138]

OK Just to relieve the lassitude.......


http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture4-4.jpg

[sycamore]

Steen Skybolt ?

[aviate1138]

Not the Steen Skybolt.

Yawn.......:rolleyes:

That is a clue.......

[sycamore]

Wakey Waco !!

[aviate1138]

Not a Waco........

This is a plans/home built machine. Somewhat esoteric, so a cryptic clue is in order.

There is a connection via Little Red Riding Hood.......

[evansb]

Wolf W-II Boredom fighter ?

[aviate1138]

Baboom! Well done evansb, the world is your oyster.

[evansb]

Thanks aviate1138:) I like your clues. Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090122.jpg

[rigpiggy]

Ford trimotor?

[evansb]

It is a trimotor, but it is not from Ford.

[NutherA2]

Stinson Trimotor?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Stinson.

[S'land]

Fokker F-VII?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Fokker.

[FlightlessParrot]

Caproni Ca. 133?

[India Four Two]

Savoia Marchetti SM.82 Canguro?

[evansb]

Sorry gents, not from Caproni nor Savoia Marchetti.

[aviate1138]

How about a Boeing Model 80?

[stevef]

Somethings from France, I think.

[aviate1138]

Alternatively a Short Sarafand?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Short, nor a Boeing.

[India Four Two]

bri,

you didn't say no to stevef's suggestion, so how about the MB 120?

[evansb]

Hi Simon! Sorry, not the Bloch M.B. 120. stevef is correct about France as the country of origin.

Bri

[S'land]

Breguet 393T?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Breguet Br.393T.

[FlightlessParrot]

OK, just a SWAG, but how about Farman Jabiru F.4X?

About the right date, and such an ugly aircraft ought to be widely known, anyway.

Edit: deleted a type number I know to be wrong.

[aviate1138]

Then maybe the Breguet 521 Bizerte?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Breguet nor Farman. It was a development of an earlier trimoteur, and incorporated several aerodynamic refinements and improvements in passenger comfort. Only one was built.

[aviate1138]

Could it possibly be the Blériot 5190?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Bleriot, Bloch, Breguet, or Farman. To keep it from German hands during the occupation of France, Air France continued passenger operations with the aircraft in Algeria.

[Capot]

Trimoteur BRATU 220? (http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/bratu220.html)

One suspects not, because it doesn't seem wide enough, but one is clutching at straws here.

Edit: on a closer look, it might be wide enough for that cockpit, it is certainly unusual, and as far as I know only one was built.

[dash7fan]

Dewoitine 338 ?

[evansb]

Not the Dewoitine 338, as 30 were built, but you are very close.

[aviate1138]

Seeing as there is so little info Anywhere! Could it be either the later D.342 and/or D.620?

evansb you have had me wracking my one remaining brain cell over this! :)

If I have to make a pick I would go for the D.342 :rolleyes:

[evansb]

Oui, the Dewoitine D.342, perhaps the ultimate trimoteur piston airliner.
The aircraft came to a tragic end, crashing near Ameur al Ain, in Sept. 27, 1942, with the loss of 25 passengers and crew. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/d342-1.jpg

[aviate1138]

Merci mon brave......

And now for something completely different! Apologies for the quality.......

No clues as yet because I have a feeling this will have a short history......

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture9-1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I have updated the What Cockpit list posted under the Sticky "What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest Lists" today.

[Cubs2jets]

Martin M-130

C2j

[aviate1138]

Not the Martin M-130.

Just had a glass of excellent Chilean Red Carmenere with SWMBO and we were wishing it were possible to convert a huge flying boat. The Martin Mars was the one we wished could be modified. However it is putting out fires and should remain so doing. But the thought of a Mars kitted out with sleeper seats and a fine crew and
good food/wine etc and voyaging around the islands of the world and in good company is never going to happen - but it should! Paperwork/insurance would probably kill it stone dead.

[Woods]

If right, it's open house, new computer, I'm dumber than ever. Anyway, Boeing XB-15, basically converted to the 314 Clipper.
Woods

[aviate1138]

XBLR-1 or XB-15 or XC-105, same aircraft. Well done Woodsie
The Boeing 314 used the same wing construction.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture13-2.jpg
Not used as a bomber, converted to cargo.



"During its eight year in service, the XB-15/XC-105 flew 60 combat missions including ASW patrols and 70 cargo trips carrying 5,200 passengers, 440,000 lb (199,581 kg) of cargo and 94,000 lb (42,638 kg) of mail. The XC-105 was placed in storage at the PAD in May 1944 due to structural damage. This one of kind aircraft was ignominiously shoved into the Curundu Swamp, east of Albrook Field, where it slowly sunk into the muck. It remains there to this day."

OPEN HOUSE

[aviate1138]

Just a quickie as nearly 24 hours has passed......

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture10-1.jpg

[sycamore]

Fairchild C-82 Packet

[aviate1138]

sycamore......

A bit larger than the Packet.

[con-pilot]

Douglas XB-19.

[aviate1138]

Well done con-pilot. You have control.



http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture14-1.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture15-3.jpg

212 foot wingspan. It became the XB-19A [4 Allison 2,600hp engines] and hauled freight during the rest of WW2.

Davis Monthan airbase scrapped it.

[con-pilot]

Thank you. Give me a few minutes to find a cockpit that has not been done.

[con-pilot]

Okay, could not find this on the list, but it should not last long in any case.

The next cockpit.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c246/con-pilot/f35_full.jpg

[evansb]

Is this the bird?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/F-35-Joint-Strike-Fighter-AA-1.jpg

[con-pilot]

Yup, that's it, suprised it took this long. Back to you Evan. :ok:

[evansb]

Thanks! I was hoping some new ppruner would answer it, alas, I've no patience. Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090129.jpg

[stevef]

Reminiscent of a Pilatus P2.

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Pilatus.

[aviate1138]

I'll try the SIPA S 111/S.121 A

Second thoughts maybe the Arado 96?

[evansb]

Not the SIPA S.11/111 nor S.121 A. Not an Arado. The mystery aircraft was modified for training, and, I believe, only two nations operated the version. The instructor had only a partial panel, and sat in the aft cockpit.

[aviate1138]

Final answer, the all metal SIPA S.12. As I have hogged the thread am I allowed an alternative with the Czech Avia/Letov C.2A

Anyway thanks for the craic, I have to get back to work! :rolleyes:

[evansb]

Sorry, not the SIPA S.12, nor the Avia/Letov C.2. The aircraft was designed in one country, and built in another. The modified training version was operated by only two air forces.

Here is another view of the instructor's partial panel:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090130A.jpg

[evansb]

The mystery aircraft is the only one extant. It is in a museum in its country of manufacture. The aircraft is unarmed, and the gun ports have been faired over. Due to certain substitutions and modifications, the aircraft was quite a donkey to handle. The pupil pilot had to be a very good stick-and-rudder man just to cut the mustard.

[FlightlessParrot]

Avia CS-199?

Open House, if so, but I'm not so much of a donkey as to have missed that clue, I fancy.

[evansb]

The Avia CS-199 is correct:ok:. As the parrot says, it is open house.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/KP3140.jpg

[stevef]

A slight change here! I'll post an 'on the aircraft' picture tomorrow if no one's identified this photo.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/wcj28.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Avro Manchester perhaps?

[stevef]

Not from the Avro stable, I'm afraid.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks stevef, it was just a stab in the dark. I just imagined that the pilot was seated on a platform on the port sideof thecockpit with a passage way to starboard for the access to the nose. The Manchester seemed to fit the scenario.
Mel

[Planegill]

Is it from the Liore et Olivier LeO 45?

[stevef]

Planegill has it! Good work.
Here's the other picture (I can see the Manchester similarity) :

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/wcj27.jpg

[Planegill]

Unfortunately I can't find the list of cockpits, so I hope this one hasn't been done before.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestH.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Planegill. See the Sticky above entitled "What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest Lists".
Mel

[Kitbag]

Douglas Havoc?

[Planegill]

Sorry Kitbag, this is not an American aircraft.
Thanks Mel. Unfortunately the sticky you mention does not seem to show on my computer. (Might be just my computer illiteracy.)

[aviate1138]

Saro Cloud maybe?

[Planegill]

Not a British aircraft either. (Although it is messy enough to be one!)

[MReyn24050]

http://www.geocities.com/artificer356/Whatcockpitlist26Jan2009.htm

[Planegill]

I see my last chalenge has already been done.
Here is a really easy one instead:

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestJ.jpg

[sycamore]

Desoutter ?

[Planegill]

Yes, Sycamore has it. The Desoutter Mk.II.

[sycamore]

There`s one at Old Warden..Open House..

[MReyn24050]

Planegill's challenge at Post # 3075 was a Latecoere Late 28.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Late_28.jpg

[evansb]

Here is the next "What Cockpit?":
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP0907.jpg

[wz662]

For the want of a better guess - Fairey Rotodyne

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Fairey Rotodyne, but not a bad guess.

[S'land]

How about another Fairey product, the Gyrodyne?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Gyrodyne. Not a Fairey product, but again not a bad guess.

[sycamore]

Methinks it`s driven from the right seat,and may be the Kamov KA-22 Hoop,from about 1960; if it is...Doors to manual !

[evansb]

Yes, it is a KAMOV Ka-22 VINTOKRYL (Two Screwy). http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Kamov_Ka-22.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I wonder how they did blade tracking on that beast. I bet it was not by the flag method.

[sycamore]

Open House

PS. I think he did it standing on the fuselage,both together...

[LowNSlow]

Have we run out of pics?? I would love to post one but don't have any!

[MReyn24050]

Here is a nice easy one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz334.jpg
Mel

[dash7fan]

Ewr Vj 101

[MReyn24050]

dash7fan has it :D :ok:. I said it was easy. It is indeed the VJ101C-X1
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/V101_I.jpg
You have control.
Mel

[dash7fan]

Thank you Mel!

Here is the next one:

http://www11.file-upload.net/13.02.09/3nv2y8.jpg

[evansb]

Savoia-Marchetti S.M. 95 ?

[dash7fan]

Sorry No, but correct country and an other manufactorer

[MReyn24050]

Something from the Cant company the Z511 perhaps? No it is not from Cant it is a Piaggio. The Piaggio P-108.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/P108-8f.jpg
Mel

[dash7fan]

Excellent Mel!

It is the Piaggio P 108 T, the transport version of the bomber.

Over to you.

http://www11.file-upload.net/13.02.09/es98mr.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks dash7fan, that wasan interesting challenge. Here is the next one, sorry it is not very clear:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz335.jpg
Mel

[MReyn24050]

No takers? Clue - early 1950s.

[aviate1138]

Is it an airship of some sort?

[MReyn24050]

aviate1138 This one is not an airship.
Mel

[aviate1138]

Mel,

I will try a Landgraf H3 then............

[MReyn24050]

aviatte1138
You are on the right track and right country,this aircraft was somewhat similar but not from Landgraf.
Mel

[evansb]

Transcendental Model 1G ?

[MReyn24050]

Bri has it. It is the Transcendental Model 1G.:ok::D
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/trans_1-g.jpg
You have control.
Mel

[evansb]

That pilot must be calm, cool and collective during the Transcendental's translational transit. That was fun. Here is the next mystery challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090219.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

The original single engine Junkers JU-52?

C2j

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Junkers Ju-52.

[MReyn24050]

However I think it may well be from the Junker's stable.

[aviate1138]

How about the Junkers-Larsen JL-6? Nothing ventured - nothing gained......

[MReyn24050]

Junkers G38 or the Mitsubishi Ki20 perhaps?

[aviate1138]

I think Mel has it! :)

[evansb]

Mel is correct,:ok:, even with the Japanese license-built connection. He has control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/af3723dac0.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri, that was a good find. I myself could not find the photograph of the cockpit. Here is the next one. Another easy one from me which should not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Cockpitquiz336.jpg
Mel

[fire-fox]

looks like it could be a Petlyakov Pe-8/TB-7? if so open house.:\

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Fire-fox, this one is not the Petlyakov Pe-8/TB-7.
Mel

[dash7fan]

Cant Z 506 S ???

[aviate1138]

Or is it the land based Cant Z 1007 maybe? :)

[MReyn24050]

dash7fan has it :ok::D. It is the Cant Z.506
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/cant506.jpg
You have control.

[dash7fan]

Thanks Mel!

Here the next Cockpit:

http://www11.file-upload.net/22.02.09/9vpd9v.jpg

[old,not bold]

Wild guess....SAH 1, the pride of Trago Mills. I had a ride in it once, and very nice too, but I've totally forgotten what the panel looked like.

[dash7fan]

No, sorry it is an other aircraft

[evansb]

Is it a Jodel ?

[dash7fan]

No Sir, but same country

[windriver]

Piel Emeraude perhaps?

[dash7fan]

Sorry, not the Emeraude

[evansb]

1960 Morane-Saulnier MS-880B Rallye Club.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/MSRalley.jpg

[dash7fan]

Hallo Evansb!

You are nearly right. It is the Morane MS 885, but there is really no difference, except the power of the engine.

Over to you! :ok:

[evansb]

Thanks dash7fan. Here is the next "What Cockpit?":
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090225.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I can't see why nobody has got this one yet.
Mel

[con-pilot]

Well, my first guess was a Sutherland Flying Boat, but that has already been done.

I'm still guessing a large flying boat, but what type..............:confused:

[evansb]

Not a flying boat per se, but it was originally designed to carry passengers on the Central and South Atlantic routes.

[evansb]

Two were built, only one flew.

[paulc]

Mercury / Meyo composite ?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the composite Short S.21 Maia flying boat and Short S.20 Mercury seaplane. The mystery aircraft was not built in Britain. The aircraft first flew in 1940.

[mustpost]

Ok long shot, would it be the Sikorsky VS-44?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Sikorsky VS-44. Not a flying boat. Not built in the U.S.A.

[mustpost]

Thanks for getting back; as usual it has been a fascinating trawl/history lesson, which, like trying to clear the attic, has thrown up some huge diversions.. triyng hard to see who would want to pitch for these routes apart from ...
wait a mo, think I'm getting it :)

[aviate1138]

How about the Breda Zapata BZ 308 as a possibility? Doh!


More likely the Cant Z 511 perhaps?

[evansb]

aviate1138 is correct.:ok: There is a Zappata connection! The long range CANT Z.511A hydroplane was designed by Filippo Zappata, who also designed a lovely post-war airliner. Later on in the war, there was a mission planned for the giant CANT Z.511A to fly to New York and drop propaganda leaflets, and still another mission planned to disrupt shipping from North America to Great Britain by dropping midget submarines off Long Island, NY, Nova Scotia, Canada, and Newfoundland. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/z511-6.jpg

[aviate1138]

Thanks evansb from Lethbridge... Canada? near Calgary? Global Warming country? :)

And now for something completely different.......

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture14-2.jpg

And I have only just got Mel's clue!!!!! for the Cant...... :rolleyes:

Correction....."And now for something completely different." Monty Python's Flying Circus movie.........

[evansb]

Bloody cold. -25C yesterday morning. And snowy. And miserable. Do you know what a "block heater" is?

-4C and sunny right now at 13:30 local. Monday should be plus 7C and sunny. Spring is coming!. Massive temp. fluctuations in these parts.

[sycamore]

Cf-101 Voodoo

[aviate1138]

Same country, different state. Not a Voodoo.

Apparently 18 were produced. Claimed a number of records during operations.

[MReyn24050]

Judging by the lack of response to aviatte1138's challenge it must have been a very secret aircraft. Although I understand it was the 12th design in the development of the aircraft in the process of replacing it's predecessor.
Mel

[Cubs2jets]

Lockheed A-12.

C2j

[aviate1138]

Well done C2j

http://www.wvi.com/~sr71webmaster/a12st.jpg

The A-12 single seater. CIA codename OXCART - some oxcart!

You have control.

[Cubs2jets]

Sorry for the slow posting...

Not French or Eastern European...

C2j

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/E-19626.jpg?t=1236051015

[sycamore]

Wild guess- Art Nalls Sea Harrier...?

[aviate1138]

If wild guesses are in order is it a Rutan machine?

[Cubs2jets]

Not of British origin.

Not a Rutan design, but just as different in its' day.

C2j

[sycamore]

Something out of Dryden,with a bit of Germanic technology,or,the one with the Javelin`s nickname ?

Its got a rather low `g` limit,but a high speed ASI/Machmeter..

[mustpost]

Martin Marietta X-24a.. http://users.dbscorp.net/jmustain/X-24a.jpg


Added to say I thought it was a Martin from the logos on the pedals, but a hint helped identify it..

[sycamore]

I`ll raise you one,X-24b !

[mustpost]

Hmm, well the two pics I've seen are very similar, but there are instrumentation changes, so unless it's the old NASA photo archive date problem again..
Unless you know something I don't..:E

[sycamore]

Just thought some of the instruments looked more`modern` for the `Flatiron`.

[Cubs2jets]

mustposat has it with the X24A.:ok:

Picture from NASA/Dryden 1967 .

C2j

[mustpost]

Thank you C2j - don't know if you saw the 24B cockpit photo but it was very similar considering they were 5 yrs apart..
Sorry for the delay, Photobucket was down, here's the next one, v.easy, bit surprised it's not been done yet...apols it's a bit small, roll up, roll up.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/wotzit11.jpg?t=1236190387

[sycamore]

Has to be Russian..Mig-21 ?

[mustpost]

It is Russian...trying to spin it out...

[Agaricus bisporus]

Su 17..................

[mustpost]

Agaricus bisporus, Sorry, no..

[sycamore]

MiG-21 Fishbed trainer ?

[Bushfiva]

MiG-23, but if so it's open house I'm afraid.

[aviate1138]

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture18-3.jpg

Too many Brians btw......

[mustpost]

Yes, it is indeed,well done Bushfiva, open house it is..

[Bushfiva]

I don't think this has been here before. You should be able to narrow it down to one particular machine, and tell us why.


http://www.bushcat.com/f2.jpg

[sycamore]

Tu-144 Concordski,with ejection seats...

[Bushfiva]

No, not the Tu-144.

[MReyn24050]

Tu-160SK perhaps? The US-based Platforms International Corp. was reported to have acquired three demilitarized ex-Ukrainian Tu-160s for conversion to Tu-160SK launchers for space vehicles. There are several similarities in this photograph to the Tu-160 cockpit, the seats are I am sure the same type.
Mel

[Bushfiva]

Nope, not the Tu-160.

Here's the first hint: you might be surprised to see 4 engines on it.

[evansb]

Buran Space Shuttle ?

[Bushfiva]

Yes, Buran. I was hoping for the specific one: this was OK-GLI, which had four AL-31 jet engines. It could take off under its own power and made 25 test flights during the 1980's.

Over to Evansb.

[evansb]

Thank you. Interesting, unusual challenge. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090306.jpg

[evansb]

Clue: At first glance, this aircraft looks like another country's revolutionary design.

[Tu.114]

Avia S.92?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Avia S.92, but you are in the right category.

[Tu.114]

Does that point to the Sukhoi 9 (Samolyot K)?

Tu.114

[evansb]

Yes, it is the cockpit diagram of the original Sukhoi Su-9. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/su9_4.jpg

[Tu.114]

Thank You, EvansB.

I did not find much in my books that appears appropriate, but maybe this will do:

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/Tu114/Cockpit1.jpg


Tu.114

[fire-fox]

looks like a Dornier flying boat, may be the Do 18E ?

[Tu.114]

Fire-Fox,

sorry, it is neither a Dornier nor a flying boat.

Tu.114

[evansb]

A couple of questions: Is it a research or experimental aircraft? Would a re-scan of your photo improve the quality of the right-hand side of the image so we can view the instrument calibrations?

Thanks

[Tu.114]

evansb,

here is the same shot in hopefully better quality:

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/Tu114/Cockpit1a.jpg

It is not a research plane, but experimental in the sense of prototype is a fitting adjective.

Tu.114

[Tu.114]

The specific plane that belongs to the picture was a flying prototype. Series production had already begun when it flew, but was halted soon thereafter. Today, there is no surviving complete airframe.

Tu.114

[evansb]

Sud-Est S.E. 2010 ?

[Tu.114]

No, it is not French - and even less successful than the SE.2010; it did not see line service. After the cancellation of the programme, the company did not build another aircraft.

[evansb]

Baade 152.

[Tu.114]

EvansB,

that´s correct.

Over to you...

[evansb]

Thank you very much. A Baade 152 cockpit photo would seem quite rare. Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090310.jpg

[MReyn24050]

TU.114 thanks for a very interesting find of a photograph of the original panel. The Baade 152 was the subject of a challenge by cringe in June 2006 (What Cockpit II Page 9 Post #171) however her photograph was I believe a replica of part of the panel for reconstruction purposes.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Baade152.jpg
Mel

[Tu.114]

Mel,

in case You are interested, You will find a heap of other pictures and details about the 152 and the entire GDR aviation industry in "Die deutsche Luftfahrt" Vol. 22 "Luftfahrt Ost 1945-1990", ISBN. 3-7637-6109-8 (in german language).

Sorry for drift - back to the cockpit challenge.

Junkers 86?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Junkers 86. Not German. The aircraft was an improvement on an earlier model.

[Planegill]

The current challenge is clearly French. The windows look like the Farman 224?

Incidentally there is an excellent book on the Baade 152 published in Germany called Der Passagier-Jet <152> by Holger Lorenz. It is in German, but full of photos including many of the cockpit.

[evansb]

Yes, it is French, but it is not the Farman F.224.

[evansb]

Clues: First flew in 1936 and considered a good performer for the times, the two remaining aircraft ended up with the Vichy Air Force.

[Tu.114]

Bréguet 462 bomber?

[evansb]

Yes, it is the Breguet Br.462 'Vultur' bomber. Some sources categorize it as an 'attack-bomber'. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/br462-1.jpg

[Tu.114]

I will be away from my computer the next few days, so open house it is...

Tu.114

[con-pilot]

Here's one that I don't believe we have done yet, at least I could not find it on the list.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c246/con-pilot/t50_full.jpg

[Bushfiva]

Well the file name suggests it's a T50 Golden Eagle...

In which case, open house I'm afraid since I have nothing to post.

[con-pilot]

Okay, you peeked. Next.

[evansb]

It is one thing to look at the file properties, worse still to post the reply based on the properties. In addition, no new challenge is offered. A new low in this thread.

[L337]

Either this is a new low point, or you may like the challenge. It is a little out of left field.

Name that Cockpit.

http://digital-nomad.com/autobrake.jpg

[dixi188]

Boeing 757, or possibly any other boeing of the '80s.

[L337]

Boeing yes. 757. No. This one was built in the 90's. But the type was rolled out in January 1988 and first flew on 29 April 1988.

[dixi188]

Boeing 747-400? (or do you want -436 or whatever?)

open house if correct!

Next switch please:)

[L337]

idd. -436 to be exact.

I pass and retire to the shadows

[Bushfiva]

In an attempt to redeem myself a little, I offer the following. I'm surprised it's not been here yet, according to the list:

http://www.bushcat.com/ppr-me.jpg

Its derivative has been posted here previously.

[stevef]

Looks like a Junkers 88D.

[Bushfiva]

Yup, 88D. As I said, I was surprised it hadn't been posted before since the 388 had been. The 88 was originally designed as a heavy dive-bomber. It was the most-produced German two-engined aircraft of WW2.

Over to Stevef.

[stevef]

Here's the next challenge. Only the panel, I'm afraid:

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/WCCMar16.jpg

[pigboat]

Looks like a WCC Mar16. ;)

It is one thing to look at the file properties, worse still to post the reply based on the properties.
Evansb on another board on a quiz I used to post, I'd always title the photobucket pic "Quit cheating!" Got 'em every time. :}

[stevef]

:)

Strictly speaking (on further research), this aircraft has been done before as its name is in Mel's list but the designation from my source is not quite the same.
Clue: American.

[stevef]

Another clue - only two prototypes were manufactured before the project was cancelled.

[stevef]

Not much to go on from the panel, I suppose.
A bit more information: Single engine, larger, heavier and faster than a B25 Mitchell.

[Bus429]

Brewster XA 32

[stevef]

Sorry, Bus, not the XA32 but it made interesting reading nevertheless:
Brewster XA-32 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_XA-32)

[stevef]

Powered by a P&W 4360, first flight 1945. That should get this one out of the way. :)

[Tu.114]

Curtiss XBTC?

Curtiss XBTC / XBT2C - torpedo-bomber (http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/curtiss_model96.php)

[evansb]

The Douglas (X)TB2D torpedo bomber. Not to be confused with the Douglas BTD-1 torpedo/dive bomber.

[stevef]

Bri correctly identifies the Douglas TB2D.
TB2D Skypirate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TB2D_Skypirate)
It was originally offered in What Cockpit as the XTB2D and I didn't check that it was the same model. :O

[evansb]

Thank you. Here is the next "What Cockpit?":
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090320.jpg

[sycamore]

Bit of a race,or just a sprint?

[evansb]

It is not a Rallye.

[wz662]

Grob, but only because it looks like an UK military hangar

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Grob 115, but similar. Not sure if hangar is ex-RAF.

[evansb]

Here is a big clue: The company also developed this design:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090320A.jpg

[evansb]

I didn't think this challenge would last this long. The aircraft is an all-composite, powered by a Rotax 914. A larger, improved version of the aircraft is powered by a diesel engine.

[Madbob]

Is it a SIAI 208?

MB

[evansb]

Sorry, not the SIAI Marchetti S.208. The mystery aircraft is a two-place trainer.

[S'land]

How about the NAL Hansa from India?

[evansb]

S'land is correct:ok: The NAL Hansa II. Over to you.:)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/852519251_befee47dbd.jpg

[S'land]

Thankee very much evansb, it was the big brother that gave it away.

Here is the next challenge.
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Sundland/wcp5.jpg?t=1237924410

[wz662]

Inital thought was C42 Ikarus but the fuselage structure doesn't like quite right.

[S'land]

Sorry, not a C42 Ikarus.

[S'land]

Time for a clue, methinks.

This is a 'windy' aircraft.

[MReyn24050]

Time for a clue, methinks.

This is a 'windy' aircraft.
By that do you mean a Rotary or possibly Autogyro? As the control lever looks more like a collective lever.
Mel

[S'land]

Hi Mel, Neither rotary or autogiro. The 'windy' clue becomes obvious, to me at least, when the aircraft is identified.

[S'land]

I never thought that this would last so long, I blame the French.

Here is another clue. one of these aircraft made an historic flight on 4 May 1987.

[Grueber]

I think it is the Aviasud AE-206 Mistral, mistral obviously reffering to windy. Made in France, so yes, you could blame the French ;-)

Flight on 4 May 1987: it was flown to the North Pole.

Picture: Aviation Photos & History: PH-2S6 Aviasud AE-206 Mistral (http://avia-dejavu.net/photo%20PH-2S6.htm)

(taken at the strip I flew solo first time :D )

If I am correct, its open house

[S'land]

Well done Grueber, it is indeed the AviaSud Mistral, a two-person ultralight bi-plane with forward swept wings. The open, side by side, cockpit is forward of the wings. Designed by two Belgians, Francois Goethals and Bernard d’Otreppe, the Mistral is built (over 200 so far) in Fréjus, France, although until 2004 it was also made under licence in Brazil. The prototype first flew in 1985 and the first production model was delivered in April 1986. The Mistral is powered by a Rotax 582 UL-DCDI unit, although I believe that the Rotax 532 unit has also been used. On 4 May 1987 Nicolas Hulot flew a Mistral to the geographic north pole.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/AviasudMistral-1.jpg



Open house has been declared.

[Grueber]

Thanks S'land, the "French" gave it away. Aviasud made some pretty nice aircraft, all with a destinctive design. I flew the Albatros a couple of times, very nice plane, easy to fly.