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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 9th Sep 2019, 22:52
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Originally Posted by UAV689 View Post
I quick look at flight radar this morning at 8am shows only 19 ba kites flying.

that is unity! Well done BA crews, backing you all the way.
weren't most of the 19 cityflier jets? There were only about 6 heathrow ba jets around 11am, osaka, haneda, lima, charleston , dubai and islamabad if i recall correctly. I didn't check the gatwick fleet though
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 08:02
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Not sure if it shows the strength of the BA pilots or how little the BA management are trying to operate the flight but TCX operated all their flights, not sure how many Ryanair did, but certainly a lot more than BA have done!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 09:12
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Is it a coincidence that senior long haul pilots down route are not on strike, getting paid, along with their allowances while the junior ones back in the UK are on strike and taking a hit on pay and allowances?
I guess that is the fairness of seniority for you.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 09:17
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Originally Posted by 101917 View Post
Is it a coincidence that senior long haul pilots down route are not on strike, getting paid, along with their allowances while the junior ones back in the UK are on strike and taking a hit on pay and allowances?
I guess that is the fairness of seniority for you.
Complete fiction! I would’ve imagine Mon/Tues reports on long haul were pretty senior in any case.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 09:26
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Originally Posted by Marty-Party View Post
Apologies if this has already been posted. Anyone not turning up for their duty today has had their pay deducted for the entire trip (e.g. 5 - 6 day) not just the days of the strike. It has also been deducted at the credited hours for that trip even though the flight has been cancelled. Office workers would be penalised by one day of pay for each day they didn't work. BA pilots have been penalised by the whole cost of the trip at their full rate. Some have calculated that at this rate of deduction, they will have a negative pay check after missing two rostered trips on strike days.

Additionally, all have lost staff travel for 3 years, lost any company wide bonus for this year, lost any pilot only bonus for 2017-19 as negotiated two years ago, no access to overtime rate to pick up trips (this is probably fair enough), plus no chance to bid for a fleet change on long haul - for ever ! This punishment has been in the planning for several weeks as the emails were sent out within hours of a failed report. If anyone thinks this is not a predetermined program by BA to break BALPA and the pilots then they are being naďve.

So if anyone thinks it will be better to cave in now and accept the consequences, the above shows the aims of BA. Break the pilots and tear up any industrial agreements. I feel sorry for the guys with long careers ahead if this is allowed to happen.
If there ever was a list of reasons not to give in to company demands, this is it!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 09:34
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WhatThe Deuce

Your reply demonstrates a lack of knowledge and understanding of the bid system for long haul pilots.

A BA pilot I know did just that, voted for the strike and then bid to be away over the strikes dates. He has also done the same for the end of this month.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:01
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Originally Posted by 101917 View Post
WhatThe Deuce

Your reply demonstrates a lack of knowledge and understanding of the bid system for long haul pilots.

A BA pilot I know did just that, voted for the strike and then bid to be away over the strikes dates. He has also done the same for the end of this month.
Your reply demonstrates a lack of knowledge and understanding of the bid system for long haul pilots.

The bidding window for September closed long before any strike dates were announced, hence that is not possible. They could of swapped trips, but seniority has zero impact on ones ability to accomplish this.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:02
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Originally Posted by 101917 View Post

A BA pilot I know did just that, voted for the strike and then bid to be away over the strikes dates. He has also done the same for the end of this month.
Impossible. The September rosters had already been issued when the strike dates were announced. You have been mis-informed.

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:37
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This from the other PPRuNe site :

Anyone considering applying to this company under the current Leadership team, have a good hard look at this post, talk to a few people on the inside and have a good hard think about whether this is the kind of company you want to work for. The intimidatory tactics used on pilots including potentially illegal salary deductions and the complete lack of a duty of care towards its employees (there are stories floating around of non striking pilots who are sole carers for their children being stuck downroute, who have now been told to make their own way home). The behaviour of the company at this point is disgusting and where are the CAA in all this when pilots are being coerced with threats of massive pay deductions way in excess of one day’s worth of strike action? The impact on the mental health of its workforce cannot be understated and is a flight safety risk when they come back to work.

I wouldn’t wish this company on my worst enemy right now.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:52
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Originally Posted by 101917 View Post
Is it a coincidence that senior long haul pilots down route are not on strike, getting paid, along with their allowances while the junior ones back in the UK are on strike and taking a hit on pay and allowances?
I guess that is the fairness of seniority for you.
You're giving the impression you don't really understand how the system works - There's a massive spread of seniority across the Long Haul fleets.

Pilots due to be down route over the strike days pilots were "instructed" to work normally..that will have included both senior and junior pilots, including no doubt some of the newer very junior DEPs who have recently joined the company and gone straight onto the Long Haul Fleets.

OTOH at base, both yesterday and today, plenty of pilots (including some very very senior) did not report and have been impacted financially.

A BA pilot I know did just that, voted for the strike and then bid to be away over the strikes dates. He has also done the same for the end of this month
As others have said it is difficult to see how that was possible under a single pass bidding system where the bid closure date for September work was prior to the announcement of the strike days. Did your BA pilot tell us how/she did this?

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:47
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Yes, there was wind of the dates.
BALPA also announced the dates in July and would have decided on those dates before it was in the press.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9015001.html

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 12:35
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Originally Posted by 101917 View Post
Yes, there was wind of the dates.
BALPA also announced the dates in July and would have decided on those dates before it was in the press.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9015001.html
Your friend is pretending to be more knowledgable than he actually is. Sorry!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 13:11
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I know who I believe. I also know what seniority breeds and I suspect there were quite a number who did the same.
The fact that individuals were able to bid, based on seniority, to be away from the UK on the strike dates says volumes for the attitude of some pilots.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 13:16
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Whatever you say! Anyway....
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 13:29
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Don’t feed the Troll guys. It’s quite clear where this person is getting their “facts” from.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 13:39
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So this Friday 13th will be BA's deadline to avert compensation for the flights which may or may not be cancelled on the 27th - so will give us a clear idea as to their intention to end it.....
Given the loss of staff travel ( which really will hit commuters hard) and the loss of pay based on credit for the trips over the strike period and the freeze on fleet changes , they appear to actually be becoming more and more hostile rather than a company that seeks compromise
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 13:56
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Just wondering how BA is managing crews down route when there may be an unusual case of one pilot who wishes to operate back to LHR and one who wishes to take part in industrial action?

It would seem as BA they have cancelled the entire short-haul operation. If there are no flights to operate then there will be no need for crew to report at LHR or LGW. Therefore is the company assuming everyone on short-haul is taking part in industrial action or can one express their intent irrespective of what shows on one's roster?

After reading about the excessively punitive measures that the company has unleashed on those taking part in industrial action, it would appear management have donned their boxing gloves for a fight. Good luck to you all at BA in the months ahead!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 14:26
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds View Post
Just wondering how BA is managing crews down route when there may be an unusual case of one pilot who wishes to operate back to LHR and one who wishes to take part in industrial action?

It would seem as BA they have cancelled the entire short-haul operation. If there are no flights to operate then there will be no need for crew to report at LHR or LGW. Therefore is the company assuming everyone on short-haul is taking part in industrial action or can one express their intent irrespective of what shows on one's roster?

After reading about the excessively punitive measures that the company has unleashed on those taking part in industrial action, it would appear management have donned their boxing gloves for a fight. Good luck to you all at BA in the months ahead!
They still want you to report as per your roster so that they know who is striking and who isnt. Downroute , there is no way of demonstrating your part in the IA. If you are stuck downroute ( one such case was someone needing to get back for childcare) you are told to find your own way home !!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 14:42
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Originally Posted by red9 View Post
This from the other PPRuNe site :

Anyone considering applying to this company under the current Leadership team, have a good hard look at this post, talk to a few people on the inside and have a good hard think about whether this is the kind of company you want to work for. The intimidatory tactics used on pilots including potentially illegal salary deductions and the complete lack of a duty of care towards its employees (there are stories floating around of non striking pilots who are sole carers for their children being stuck downroute, who have now been told to make their own way home). The behaviour of the company at this point is disgusting and where are the CAA in all this when pilots are being coerced with threats of massive pay deductions way in excess of one day’s worth of strike action? The impact on the mental health of its workforce cannot be understated and is a flight safety risk when they come back to work.

I wouldn’t wish this company on my worst enemy right now.
There shouldn’t be anyone “stuck down route” ? You work normally if your trip leaves before the 9 th and you work normally until you get back to Base. I understood you only strike on flights ex Base.
Apparently only 9 pilots turned up for work yesterday.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 15:07
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There shouldn’t be anyone “stuck down route” ? You work normally if your trip leaves before the 9 th and you work normally until you get back to Base. I understood you only strike on flights ex Base.
Apparently only 9 pilots turned up for work yesterday.
Pete , I am sure there are people downroute who were rostered to return yesterday or today and probably might have been rostered today as a day off.
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