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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 2nd Aug 2019, 15:49
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Wiggy - my pal is under the impression that the deal on offer is 11.5% over three years. Whether there are conditions attached such as increased productivity or reduced 'benefits' in lieu, I have no idea as I have not been following the issue that closely. The BA pilots I know tell me that they want an increased share of BA profits to retain their position relative to other 'major' carriers.

As I said earlier, I have absolutely no axe to grind on this one but there must surely come a point when public perception about potential strike action becomes a very pertinent factor. Would I normally consider BA to travel - yes, would I think about booking with them until this issue is settled - no.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 16:00
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Love to see the figures whereby the Daily Mail get an average salary of 167,000
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 16:01
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Originally Posted by Paul Lupp View Post
Would the pilots dare disrupt the nominal 100 year anniversary on August Bank Holiday weekend (England and Wales)?
Anyone who believes this is an actual 100 year anniversary probably thinks Trigger in Only Fools and Horses is still in possession of his original broom. It’s bogus from the very beginning, I mean Air Transport and Travel went into liquidation after less than two years for God’s sake!
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 23:14
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Would I normally consider BA to travel - yes, would I think about booking with them until this issue is settled - n
And that my friend is exactly the result that industrial action, or the threat of it, is supposed to achieve.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 08:09
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Max...........and exactly the reason why the public at large think that pilots are over paid.......and before you ask 16 yrs Mil/24 years Civ and now retired.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 09:30
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Max...........and exactly the reason why the public at large think that pilots are over paid
And still nobody has given a single credible reason why BA pilots should give a toss what the public at large think, whether it's about their salaries in general or the strike more specifically.

BA pilots are employees of a private company. They are not civil servants whose salary is determined by a remuneration committee that is itself ultimately answerable to MPs who are themselves ultimately answerable to the voters. Public opinion on who is to blame doesn't matter; whether the public takes the management's side or the pilots' side, the fact remains that people will probably be put off booking with BA while the threat of a strike looms. As previously alluded to, that is kind of the point.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 12:34
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Public opinion

This is truly laughable! If public opinion really influenced things other than in a superficial and meaningless way, the world might look quite different. MPs know this (after a short public outcry their inflation busting pay rise went ahead), Big business/corporations know this (have they REALLY changed how much tax they pay), billionaires know this (have they changed their ways to pay their FAIR share of taxes?). The answer is no. If British Airways pilots believe the public will turn against their profession or airline and will remember this a few weeks or months when it has passed, they are woefully mistaken. Just go for it and stop being pathetic!
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 13:11
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Not BA, but wish you all the best.

When they come cap in hand and you give, I would expect something in return when times are good. At the very least some form of profit share.

As to changes to your working conditions.........I wouldn't want to join on the current conditions as they are!

Stuff the naysayers, you're doing the right thing.

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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 14:17
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Originally Posted by gatbusdriver View Post
Not BA, but wish you all the best.

When they come cap in hand and you give, I would expect something in return when times are good. At the very least some form of profit share.

As to changes to your working conditions.........I wouldn't want to join on the current conditions as they are!

Stuff the naysayers, you're doing the right thing.

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Now where is that "like" button..?
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 16:15
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Originally Posted by Longtimer View Post

BA loses court bid to avert pilot strikes

  • 24 July, 2019
  • SOURCE: Flight Dashboard
  • BY: Victoria Bryan
UK pilot union BALPA is giving British Airways "one last chance" to negotiate on pay and benefits after the carrier lost a High Court bid to prevent strike action.

Pilots on 22 July voted to strike over pay. The next day, a High Court judge ruled that the ballot had been issued correctly and that the result could therefore stand.

BA says it will appeal the judgement, but is also urging the union to return to talks.

"We are very disappointed with today's decision," stated the IAG-owned carrier on 23 July. "We will continue to pursue every avenue to protect the holidays of thousands of our customers this summer."

BALPA describes the delay caused by the court action as frustrating.

"BA could have spent this time coming back to the negotiating table instead of trying and failing to tie us up in legal knots," states general secretary Brian Strutton.

"We have still not set any strike dates to give BA one last chance to commit to negotiating on pilots pay and rewards with us at Acas later this week," he adds.

Strutton says the two sides are due to hold talks under conciliation service Acas on 26 July, but fears they may be postponed due to BA's legal appeal.

BA argues that its offer of an 11.5% increase over three years is "fair". BALPA warns that one day of strikes would cost BA more than what their pilots are asking for.

"The company itself has admitted that even one day of strike action would cost most than what our pilots are asking for, so the ball really is in their court here, to look after their pilots and ensure the hardworking public get to continue their holidays as planned," Strutton declares.
That shows you how ideological this whole affair is.

Solidarity with the BA pilots, from a railwayman
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 18:41
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Originally Posted by gatbusdriver View Post
Not BA, but wish you all the best.

When they come cap in hand and you give, I would expect something in return when times are good. At the very least some form of profit share.

As to changes to your working conditions.........I wouldn't want to join on the current conditions as they are!

Stuff the naysayers, you're doing the right thing.

GTB
Same here..
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 14:11
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Originally Posted by beamer View Post
Whether there are conditions attached such as increased productivity or reduced 'benefits' in lieu, I have no idea as I have not been following the issue that closely.
Not following closely is probably causing the very important details to be missed. Something already mentioned on this thread, but being lost in the white noise of people harping on about BA's percentage 'offers', is the condition for pilots to sign up to unspecified "change intiatives" to get a pay deal. Anyone with half a brain knows that this is BA management-speak for "You pilots are going to fund the entirety of any pay deal by severe changes elsewhere to you're Ts & Cs." You don't see any mention of that in BA's releases to the media, do you?

Why would any sane employee agree to that, for goodness sake?
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 14:32
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Something already mentioned on this thread, but being lost in the white noise of people harping on about BA's percentage 'offers', is the condition for pilots to sign up to unspecified "change intiatives" to get a pay deal.
Yep...that condition doesn't seem to have raised much comment, either here or in MSM..

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Old 4th Aug 2019, 22:53
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So any idea when the first day might be ?

May screw me up coming back from vacation , but still support the fight brothers !

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Old 5th Aug 2019, 06:02
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I’m sure they will give everyone the requisite 2 weeks notice of any action so that people may make other arrangements.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 08:20
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I was Extremely disappointed with BA staff travel at Heathrow. They've set up a system which requires you to queue for at least 1 hour to check in (I left and went to buy a full fare ticket). Crew were coming in off long haul flights to join this queue for their travel home to Scotland etc. I don't believe that this is what BA staff signed up for and as crew of another Airline, I can assure BA staff that they will NEVER be treated so badly when they travel with my company. Every other Airline is better, my recent experiences are Lufthansa, Turkish, Qatar, Emirates, Royal Air Maroc, Alitalia.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 08:24
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I do think that if BALPA's campaign is to be successful, their PR department needs to make much more of the unspecified "management changes". You'd have to be stark raving bonkers to sign up to something that you don't know the specific details of. The fact that it is unspecified tells you all you need to know.

Where I work, any productivity-related pay deals involve specific agreements covering exactly what the changes are.

The general public at large seem to think that this is a "no strings attached" straight pay deal, which makes it look much more generous than it would appear to be.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 08:26
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Originally Posted by kungfu panda View Post
I was Extremely disappointed with BA staff travel at Heathrow. They've set up a system which requires you to queue for at least 1 hour to check in (I left and went to buy a full fare ticket). Crew were coming in off long haul flights to join this queue for their travel home to Scotland etc. .
When/where was this? I know staff travel can be pants but that doesn't sound like the normal T5 system, though I believe there were some problems a week or so back.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 08:33
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
When/where was this? I know staff travel can be pants but that doesn't sound like the normal T5 system, though I believe there were some problems a week or so back.
I don't want to give up my anonymity, so let's just say that it was within the time frame that you mention. T5.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 08:36
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I believe there were some "issues" around the thunderstorm disruption a week or two back.
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