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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 9th Sep 2019, 08:56
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Originally Posted by Paul Lupp View Post
Well, they weren't left with much choice, were they, if BALPA instructed all the pilots to refuse to fly planes by going on strike.
(My emphasis)

Point of order regarding the above - contrary to popular belief not all the pilots in BA are members of BALPA and it is possible of course that some BALPA members may have chosen to ignore union instructions.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 09:11
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Well apologies if I got it wrong, but the general gist is that if a significant majority of pilots were instructed by their union not to report for work (or voted not to work and then received support to go on strike), then "management" was left with little option
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 09:18
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post

Was Cruz on the BBC this morning seriously suggesting that the average BA pilot earns £167,000?!
Yes he did. He even went on to suggest that the figure will be over £200,000 when expenses and bonuses are taken into account.

What a guy!
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 10:24
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Originally Posted by Paul Lupp View Post
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Well apologies if I got it wrong, but the general gist is that if a significant majority of pilots were instructed by their union not to report for work (or voted not to work and then received support to go on strike), then "management" was left with little option
That "gist" is certainly a more accurate summary than saying BALPA " instructed all the pilots to refuse to fly planes".

Whether the company had options or not is another matter.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 11:34
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Who could be operating BA flights today?

I note a few flights are still operating out of LHR. Would I be right to assume that management pilots are flying them?
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 11:56
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Titan 75 and I think, wamos or envelop 330 flying out of Gatwick using speedbird callsigns .
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 12:04
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Is it my hearing or did Cruz refer to his company on Sky News as British Airlines.

British AIRWAYS please Snr Cruz !

Well here is a proposal to end this deadlock.

Give the pilots what they are striking for BUT in a structured way.

Give the pilots HALF of the current offer now, which will be paid regardless.

The remainder to be paid ONLY IF the profit reaches a level which triggers directors bonuses OR some other agreed amount, say 1b, when the results are published and at the same time as the directors are paid THEIR bonus.

So, Cruz , saves money now, and pays the remainder ONLY if and when the money comes in.

Face saved all round, BA gets back flying with motivated pilots NOT carrying extra fuel etc. and cost effective all round.

Trash this idea if you wish BUT it is basically how I ran my small aviation business and it worked.

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Old 9th Sep 2019, 12:10
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Originally Posted by RoyHudd View Post
I note a few flights are still operating out of LHR. Would I be right to assume that management pilots are flying them?
Perhaps, but of course there are a number of Pilots not in the Union and possibly a few that are but have chosen to go to work anyway.

In any case, withdrawing your labour from your employer is an enormously difficult and personal decision. I know my position as a BALPA member (sat at home with a coffee and sky news) but if others feel differently then that's absolutely fine too. We're Professionals first and foremost and should continue to act accordingly, treating our colleagues with respect and courtesy regardless of their own decision today and going forward.

Our biggest weapon in any dispute with our employer will always be unity and respect for each other as a professional community is paramount to achieving that.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 12:11
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Is it my hearing or did Cruz refer to his company on Sky News as British Airlines.
Yes!

Just been repeated! Brilliant.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 12:34
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Its now on Youtube....

Alex Cruz on Sky News
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 12:58
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A couple of quick points.
1. No TU can "instruct" its members to do anything. They could only do that in the past when there were closed shops. Only the RMT tries to do that nowadays. BALPA asked its members what THEY wanted to do about BA. They replied more or less unanimously. The "Instructions" were from the members to the TU.

2. The word "average" is being misused. The BA pilot total fraternity have average pay of roughly £100k.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 13:00
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I wonder how busy the shops in Terminal 5 are? There is certainly much less "air noise" around the south-west of London this morning......
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 13:10
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Mr "Would you buy a second hand car from this man" is paid approx £1.4m. 14 times what a pilot gets.

Er, if it is him, or 14 Nigels/Ruperts, then I would go for the 14. (What do the Navy call their pilots?)

As an aside, no parents are calling their children Nigel anymore. Where will BA get their pilots from?
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 13:34
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Great thing about these strikes -ie BA and Ryanair is that it tends to stop the continual attack on COS everywhere against the sharp end of aviation ~ the Aircrew.
Post Mr O'Leary and his ignoramus comments we have "Shock Horror" that BA A380 Captains earn approx £200,000!! I say that's the minimum they deserve. Of course it sounds a lot if you add 11% to such a number but these pilots are at the top of the tree! What do people want them to earn?? Remember they are at the pinnacle of their careers and have earned their rank/position over decades of being tested and examined very 6 months of their Airline lives and have maintained an outstanding level of professional knowledge and performance.
Who else do we want in charge when the **it hits the fan??
Good on you Lads and Lassies. My daughter wants to be a pilot and you'll be doing her a great favour.
Thank You.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 13:56
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I won't wax lyrical in my appreciation for the stand the pilots of BA are making on behalf of all in this downtrodden profession. Many of us at lower profile airlines are facing the same fight with greedy executives. Suffice it to say if I encounter any BA crew down line the beers are absolutely on me. You have proven we can still stand strong. Thank you.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 14:48
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Originally Posted by WhatTheDeuce View Post


BA doesnít have an FRMS. They use slow reactive management based on reporting.

7 earlies all possible, including the time change to local time. (12 hour duty on day 2 with a hotel pick up of 4am UK time).
In that case i'll shut up and eat my hat.
Good luck
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 16:18
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All the publication of ďaverage salaryĒ is a red herring. It doesnít really matter, but the company uses it to try and say the pilots are unreasonable. What someone makes isnít tied to how smart they are or how valuable they are... itís what the market will bear. The modern society controlled by big business tries to always make labor the enemy. Worse yet, so many ďcommonĒ working people donít support labor, but rather buy into the false line of thinking pushed by the big corporations. Should your working 12 hour duty days, being gone from home countless days, studying for sim checks, etc etc enrich the shareholder? Management? We donít want to kill the golden goose, but record profits are record profits.

I have a skill the company needs and Iím not easy to replace. Iíll leverage that to protect my livelihood and support my family. I work hard, Iím professional, and I emphasize safety. I know my colleagues at BA do the same! It takes years of training and skill to get to that level, so there is no reason you should settle for less than what the market can support. Especially on the heels of concessions and give backs.

Good luck! Weíre with you!
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 17:57
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Apologies if this has already been posted. Anyone not turning up for their duty today has had their pay deducted for the entire trip (e.g. 5 - 6 day) not just the days of the strike. It has also been deducted at the credited hours for that trip even though the flight has been cancelled. Office workers would be penalised by one day of pay for each day they didn't work. BA pilots have been penalised by the whole cost of the trip at their full rate. Some have calculated that at this rate of deduction, they will have a negative pay check after missing two rostered trips on strike days.

Additionally, all have lost staff travel for 3 years, lost any company wide bonus for this year, lost any pilot only bonus for 2017-19 as negotiated two years ago, no access to overtime rate to pick up trips (this is probably fair enough), plus no chance to bid for a fleet change on long haul - for ever ! This punishment has been in the planning for several weeks as the emails were sent out within hours of a failed report. If anyone thinks this is not a predetermined program by BA to break BALPA and the pilots then they are being naÔve.

So if anyone thinks it will be better to cave in now and accept the consequences, the above shows the aims of BA. Break the pilots and tear up any industrial agreements. I feel sorry for the guys with long careers ahead if this is allowed to happen.

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Old 9th Sep 2019, 18:08
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Originally Posted by UAV689 View Post
I quick look at flight radar this morning at 8am shows only 19 ba kites flying.
And then there were three... The daylight BOS-LHR has just landed which means just three BA aircraft are airborne worldwide: BA7 LHR-HND, BA16 SIN-LHR and BA15 SIN-SYD. I wonder if that figure will go lower, or even to zero at some point tomorrow.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 18:35
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Originally Posted by Doug E Style View Post


And then there were three... The daylight BOS-LHR has just landed which means just three BA aircraft are airborne worldwide: BA7 LHR-HND, BA16 SIN-LHR and BA15 SIN-SYD. I wonder if that figure will go lower, or even to zero at some point tomorrow.


FWIW the current southbound SIN/SYD BA 15 airframe doesn't get back into LHR until early'ish Wednesday AM, so that may well be the "tail end charlie"...

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