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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 23rd Jul 2019, 12:50
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I may be a bit out of step with the majority here, but what makes anyone think that they are entitled to an annual pay rise? I've spent most of my working life in UK manufacturing engineering and have lost count of how many years went by without a payrise. If your employer is not making enough money, how do they find more to increase the wages bill? Sure it is annoying when those at the top of the organisation award themselves pay increases or other benefits whilst those doing the actual work get zero, but that's life. Same as the best way out is to find another,better paid job but if you cannot, then so be it, you just have to accept a fall in your standard of living. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer but a strike won't change things.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 13:01
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Originally Posted by Paul Lupp View Post
If your employer is not making enough money, how do they find more to increase the wages bill?
Good question, especially like the "if".

Go and have a look at BA's annual reports for the last year or two.
Then tell me how much you would regard as being "enough" to increase the wages bill or perhaps provide a meaningful profit share for all staff.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 13:04
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Good luck to all the BA pilots fighting for the rights!!
i have to say there are sooo many trolls on this tread. I wonder if someone has hired them.
arguing with trolls is like, try to learn blind people to see.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 13:16
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Originally Posted by Paul Lupp View Post
Sure it is annoying when those at the top of the organisation award themselves pay increases or other benefits whilst those doing the actual work get zero, but that's life.
No, that's Neoliberalism... Keep drinking the Kool Aid hombre!

The gap between the highest and the lowest paid in most UK organizations is the biggest its ever been. Only legal collective bargaining can change that.

BA is being fined more for failing to invest in its IT platform than the pilots total pay claim.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 15:13
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Many here say that public support is irrelevant. Public support will be zero. Public opposition will be huge.
That's because it is completely irrelevant, and nobody has yet come up with a convincing reason otherwise.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 15:20
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I'd venture to say most Nigel's aren't really bothered about the % as most of it will go to the taxman. Its down to respect and being acknowledged.
Can someone tell me the last time Aircrew went on strike in the UK?
To get to this stage is pretty bad - a sign of the times
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 16:06
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Originally Posted by FACoff View Post
Short of increasing the freeze (entirely possible I suppose) I can't see them getting rid of bidding. BA aren't stupid - short haul would become a ghost town. ...

Roll on the strike.
When I was checking in for a BA short-haul flight some time ago I heard this comment from a fellow passenger in the queue: "BA short-haul is now just EasyJet where the pilots wear caps".

Not quite true as BA sell you "M&S sandwiches", but then EasyJet have a bigger range of UK airports to fly from. As a passenger in 'the regions' I see no need to use BA short-haul. A Dutch airline does quite well for me and they give me a free sandwich and drink.

You guys are probably correct, why bother about public opinion.

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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 16:21
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Originally Posted by Paul Lupp View Post
I may be a bit out of step with the majority here, but what makes anyone think that they are entitled to an annual pay rise? I've spent most of my working life in UK manufacturing engineering and have lost count of how many years went by without a payrise. If your employer is not making enough money, how do they find more to increase the wages bill? Sure it is annoying when those at the top of the organisation award themselves pay increases or other benefits whilst those doing the actual work get zero, but that's life. Same as the best way out is to find another,better paid job but if you cannot, then so be it, you just have to accept a fall in your standard of living. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer but a strike won't change things.
why on earth are you posting on a professional pilots rumour site then?
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 17:11
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The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer but a strike won't change things
Now there's a sheep for the slaughter if I ever saw one.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 17:28
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Well done lads. Backing you all the way here.

i dont give 2 hoots what the public or press say.

the press I understand their anti union stance from way back when with the printers strikes, but its amazing too see the public say things like ďwell i dont get a pay rise so why should you!Ē

if that person that said that, had a relative or friend that got a rise, they would say well done! But they cannot see how they have been conditioned to be against anyone getting a rise, thereby helping the shareholders drive every wage down.

It would appear the balpa nec has got some metal now, hope we go the way of the RMT!
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 19:41
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Can someone please explain to me what the impending strike is about?
Is the rise on offer not inline with inflation?
Have you been on a pay freeze and this is too little too late?
Have management been giving themselves and other departments huge payrises but neglecting pilots?
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 20:17
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Originally Posted by Paul Lupp View Post
If your employer is not making enough money, how do they find more to increase the wages bill?.
This year the company is on target to make £2b profit. When it was loss making in 2009 pilots took a pay and productivity cut of 8%.
This when the loss was only a couple of hundred million.

So by your rules Paul the pilots should be asking for around... shall we say 50%?

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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 20:54
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pilotchute, I only speak for myself but for me it’s not % or money. Yes I want to see the value of my contract preserved if not improved but it’s about having a life for me. Rostering, workload, duty credit, EASA FTL’s. Rostering minimum rest at home and 6 day blocks followed by only 2 days off. Ops knowingly ignoring agreements in the hope you don’t challenge them. I don’t want more money, I want more time and if I can have more time then i’ll take money to buy myself some time.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 22:39
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
When I was checking in for a BA short-haul flight some time ago I heard this comment from a fellow passenger in the queue: "BA short-haul is now just EasyJet where the pilots wear caps".

Not quite true as BA sell you "M&S sandwiches", but then EasyJet have a bigger range of UK airports to fly from. As a passenger in 'the regions' I see no need to use BA short-haul. A Dutch airline does quite well for me and they give me a free sandwich and drink.

You guys are probably correct, why bother about public opinion.
The decline in the BA short haul product is not the fault of the pilots. I think you will find that every pilot in BA would support spending on improving the customer experience - especially on SH.

Also, you might find that the average earnings of an EZY Captain far exceed those of their BA equivalents.

Which goes some way to explaining the dissatisfaction amongst the BA pilot workforce...
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 07:20
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Can someone please explain to me what the impending strike is about?
This has been building for over 20 years. In my time at BA we have been constantly told that below inflation pay deals and increases in work rate were essential to "save the company"....

At a regional base I was even offered a pay cut. Alongside all of this a continual cutting of terms and conditions and benefits down to ridiculous minutiae.

As my esteemed colleague Wiggy points out - the company has now been "saved" and billion pound profits are in (and forecast)....

It's payback time.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 07:29
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BA definitely need a good pay rise with the profit they are making or as they do in the city have a bonus scheme. If the company makes a descent profit you get a good bonus in years of loss making no bonus.
But.... I have seen a lot of BA rosters SH looks very hard work worse than my EZY mates and that probably needs addressing first. Itís sad that pilots now have to go part time to survive and thatís not just at BA our outfit is just as bad for that. Get command and go part time thatís our motto.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 10:24
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Devil BA

BloodY AwefuLL stays Bloody AwefuLL ! Pray 4 a HArd BREXIT !
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 10:51
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The 'public support' line always amazes me. The last time I checked, Tube drivers didn't have huge public support but seemed to do okay with their industrial action. We're employees of a large airline making record profits whilst giving a highly average management massive bonuses on the back of a decade of reductions to our Ts&Cs; why do we need the support of the public to sort out our industrial dispute? It boggles my mind the amount of my colleagues that take that red herring seriously.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 13:21
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Originally Posted by sarmonkey View Post
The 'public support' line always amazes me. The last time I checked, Tube drivers didn't have huge public support but seemed to do okay with their industrial action. We're employees of a large airline making record profits whilst giving a highly average management massive bonuses on the back of a decade of reductions to our Ts&Cs; why do we need the support of the public to sort out our industrial dispute? It boggles my mind the amount of my colleagues that take that red herring seriously.
Iím so glad Iím not the only one that thinks this! When I was based in France I was constantly told that the snpl were stronger than balpa ďbecause balpa canít actually do anythingĒ. Tube drivers seem to be on strike an awful lot - and they get away with it every time. About time people realised this!
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 13:36
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The public have a pretty short memory about most strikes.
Ok, we all remember the “Green Goddesses” but does anyone hold any grudges against the Fire Service? BA cabin crew went on strike a few years back but passengers seem to enjoy their service (and also enjoy complaining about it to me at dinner parties!)
While I’m acutely conscious that ‘the public’ pay my wages, I’m not overly concerned about their perception of the rights or wrongs of this strike, if indeed it happens. I don’t expect any sympathy but the more enlightened amongst them will recognise that there must be good reasons for us to have got to this point. BALPA press releases can go a long way to educate people about the historical background and economic realities behind the BA pilots’ frustrations.

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