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Old 9th Dec 2017, 08:56
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172,

Yes I am aware, also aware You just signed a new 3 year contract to get a few % payraise while SAIL gets of the ground!

Public support and reasonable solutions are just more excuses.

You have to be prepared to wage war on management, talk will get You nowhere.
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 10:27
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C195,

It's limited by CLA, but still too many

hd,

3 year agreement that can be waived after 2. And no, I wasn't in support of that either.

Hopefully SAIL will soon be written off as a one time loss, just as Snowflake, Spanair, etc.
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 15:00
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According to the IAA website, still no AOC.
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Old 11th Dec 2017, 11:40
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I wonder if IAA will be able to release it before the end of the year.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 11:05
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What's happening at SAS Ireland? I see that two A320NEOs have been delivered to Stockholm Arlanda and EI-SIA is currently in Shannon? What's the very latest therefore?
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 12:10
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As everyone knew 6 months ago: No AOC.

How long did it take Norwegian? A year? SAS is in for a long wait.

Run while you can...
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 21:14
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I might be wrong, but I'm sure they couldn't fly from Stockholm to Shannon without an AOC. Only the initial delivery flight is exempt.

Crew training is being conducted in Ireland
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 22:34
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No AOC. Confirmed by SAS management in several Scandi newsmedia today...
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 01:38
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Don’t confuse AOC and registration. Just because a plane has an irish registration doesn’t mean it has to be flown in an irish AOC. Therefore, if that irish registered plane is flying it can do so in any kind of AOC.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 07:28
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So according to mates at SAIL, they received a letter from SAIL CEO announcing the receiving of AOC couple of days ago.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 08:45
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... and at the very same time SAS tells scandi media (børsen.dk) "no AOC yet".

Sounds like they are stringing along their SAIL employees.
Any day now, any day.

Tell us, how many of those mates of yours are getting paid while they wait?
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 09:47
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Current AOC holders. Irish CAA:

https://www.iaa.ie/commercial-aviati...ficate-holders

Don't leave. The cheque is in the mail...
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 15:50
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I heard a rumour, that some of the NPHs had found other jobs.

With no proper staff, no AOC I guess
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 18:49
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They do have an AOC. It came into effect on the 13th December (Licence number 04/17)
The crew are being paid.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 19:24
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I notice CAE are advertising management jobs again for positions that were supposed filled
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 12:12
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From CAEs LinkedIn account:

We are very proud of our client SAS Ireland having recently been approved their Air Operator Certificate (AOC).

EI-SIA is the very first in the SAS Ireland A320neo Fleet, and ready for service. Two more brand new aircraft being delivered in the coming weeks EI-SIB and EI-SIC.

Flights to commence between London Heathrow and Copenhagen next week, crewed exclusively by CAE Parc Aviation.

Follow SAS Ireland on LinkedIn to keep up with all the latest news and developments:

https://lnkd.in/gX2Si7s
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 19:05
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AOC up and running, airline is doing well.

I think this whole setup and the demise in Monarch is a lesson against very strong unions. Be fair but realise the company you work for needs to make a profit.

Companies with legacy terms and conditions and very strong unions will find another way of reducing costs.

Because of this yes there is a race to the bottom and T&C's are worse, so next time everyone gets belligerent, think before you get red mist and get too unionised..

Unions have a very valid and important place, but so do we as employees in recognising the company needs to make money
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 08:00
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What evidence can you provide that Monarch’s demise was due to a strong pilot union? Anything?
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 09:23
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I think this whole setup and the demise in Monarch is a lesson against very strong unions. Be fair but realise the company you work for needs to make a profit.
What evidence can you provide that Monarch’s demise was due to a strong pilot union? Anything?
Ditto for SAS, in what way have the unions been unreasonable?

Unless we accept the norm that everyone should be hired off shore and dicked around with in their personal life, this seems to be nothing but union busting. SAS is already making profit.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 09:48
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SAS just made its biggest profit in 20 years. Before SAIL started flying.
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