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Old 25th May 2018, 23:06
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It seems like package that SAIL offers is completely outdated. Maybe 5years ago they would manage to find some skippers with those conditions on offer.

The main question is if cae realised already that they need to increase significantly the offer to attract any skippers and keep operation going??

I would really like to hear abut that from a insider
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Old 26th May 2018, 11:00
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Originally Posted by matt283 View Post
It seems like package that SAIL offers is completely outdated. Maybe 5years ago they would manage to find some skippers with those conditions on offer.

The main question is if cae realised already that they need to increase significantly the offer to attract any skippers and keep operation going??

I would really like to hear abut that from a insider
they obviously did not realise that, of course.
otherwise occ courses would be full of newcomers and there would not be any resignation. I understand there are some 8 to 10 trainees now.
as of today the new contract is not ready. Everybody is still with the initial temporary contract which is basically 3 pages of nothing.
summer begun, malaga is due, i think somebody will have a serious headache soon because this coming month at least other 3 pilots are leaving.

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Old 26th May 2018, 12:01
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I Wonder why nobody call in sick...that works like a charme
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Old 26th May 2018, 12:31
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First because we are all professionals.
second because there is a genuine will to make it work.

not all depend on pilots though.

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Old 26th May 2018, 14:04
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Also you donít get paid for sick.

Also so if you work less than 15 duties per month you lose all of your £1,0000 Flight pay!!
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Old 27th May 2018, 11:07
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Also you donít get paid for sick.

Also so if you work less than 15 duties per month you lose all of your £1,0000 Flight pay!!
Well that alone is one big reason to leave and stay away from that ďcompanyĒ. Ridiculous.
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Old 28th May 2018, 08:13
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Lots of people seem to be leaving, is it really that bad?
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 15:47
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Devil SAS Ireland

Really the company should be called more aptly Monarch. It is a majority of that failed companies pilots that have joined and they are doing there level best to destroy this new venture for SAS. They are refusing to co operate with the operator Cae/Parc and have steadfastly refused acceptance of any new contract offered by Cae/Parc. Its a neat little operation but its not blossoming as the group of sad spoilt former Monarch chaps are determined to spoil a good thing!
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 15:56
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Well

if you are given a crap contract what would you do?
in my opinion without ex monarchs sas ireland would not even be here.
and no, i am not ex monarch.
but i try to be objective.

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Old 1st Jun 2018, 16:05
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Really the company should be called more aptly Monarch. It is a majority of that failed companies pilots that have joined and they are doing there level best to destroy this new venture for SAS. They are refusing to co operate with the operator Cae/Parc and have steadfastly refused acceptance of any new contract offered by Cae/Parc. Its a neat little operation but its not blossoming as the group of sad spoilt former Monarch chaps are determined to spoil a good thing!
Are they spoilt or do they just put a price on their heads?

Depends on which side of the revelution you're on, but for the pilot community it's in our interest they play hard ball while the market forces act in their direction.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 16:32
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I heard that the head of training resigned. The first DFO resigned in January.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 16:43
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So did the Malaga base open today as I believe was the latest info shared to colleagues at mainline?
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 21:18
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Yes. Agp open.
i mean theres an ad for flights from there.
pilots there? Very few. Sepla is doing some recce.
head of training resigned yes.
balpa and cae meeting next week to see whats going on in the kitchen.
summer starting, everything should be set but as of now only londoners and part time seekers hanging on.
expats going soon.
sad but true.

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Old 1st Jun 2018, 22:13
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Are there any overnights confirmed from malaga or only turnarounds?
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 23:59
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Hoggtart, do you agree with the following?

£62500 basic for an Airbus Captain

£1000 flight pay per month. If you are rostered less than 15 days work, and report sick, you will lose the entire £1000

You've joined for the 5/4 roster. But in order to maintain the schedule they have the right to alter to a random roster (this was introduced in the new contract they refused to sign, not in the original one they signed)

They require a Drs certificate if more than 2 days sick ( I am told this is illegal under UK law)

Do you still believe they are spoilt? They want more than nothing, for this operation to succeed.
If you agree with the above then please send in your CV.

The pilot group tried to engage with CAE (I've seen the letter they sent, trying to address their concerns), but they were met with denial from CAE.

Im at WOW and wanting to return to UK, but not on those terms.

PS It was the entire workforce (cabin crew and pilots) from various airlines who refused to sign. They are not all Monarch. But yes Monarch pilots are the majority.

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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 08:19
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Hoggtart, on the current contract an Airbus Captain at SAIL is paid around £4300 p/month (based on ATIS figures) and you dare to call that a good thing? Also taking into account that the pension is the legal minimum and therefore will require topping up. Even if that could be done through salary sacrifice then it still puts a big dent in the take home pay.

Hopefully you are a man/woman of your word and won’t sign a new and improved contract if it ever materialises. Seems a bit hypocritical if you would take the new & improved contract whilst at the same time slagging of the people who are fighting for a better contract.

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Old 7th Jun 2018, 22:36
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Hoggtart, looks like youíve been rumbled. So youíre already at SAIL!! The guys know exactly who you are.

Failed to get a command at Easyjet
Failed to get a command at Etihad
Failed your command interview at SAIL, and now youíve reported the Head of Training to CAE on a different matter.

So who is the spoilt one?

happy flying.




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Old 8th Jun 2018, 09:14
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Atis

Thanks for clearing that up, did think Hoggtart sounded a bit odd.
I hope all Monarchs get a good choice , and bring good conditions with them.
I can make more painting houses in Norway then that contract..
Anyway
How is SAIL and SAS doing?
The last in the local paper was that SAS was not happy with the CRJ Irish lot , City Jet i belive as they had over 100 cancellations in May alone.
Can I make a guess poor planing and or lack of crew. Does anyone know.?
You see, the point of out sourcing would be to make it cheaper and more efficient overall . Something the SAS Management has forgotten.

A good summer to All
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 10:33
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According to management everything is fine and dandy - personally i believe we are gonna see a Norwegian 2.0 this summer. Resources are going to be streched with no reserves all summer.
Cityjet are lacking crew - had some maintenance issues earlier on this year. SAIL obviously also lacking crew. Sling's are already optimized for SAIL out of AGP and LHR so the mainline guy's are now schedueled for nightstops those places to fly the SAIL slings - must be cheap.

Rumer has it SAS mainline will start recruiting in the fall/winter and according to management it will not be a problem - more than 3500 suitable pilots in the hold pool We will then further bleed out Cityjet if any are left and willing to accept the sub par starting T&C's in SAS.
Last 2 MPL courses SAS trained all went to Norwegian with a fresh TR and much better pay - go figure. RYR are starting up again in CPH - young experienced FO are already talking about joining....

Meanwhile my phone is going berserk with request for buying days off.

Everybody enjoy your summer...

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Old 8th Jun 2018, 12:14
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Is the Cityjet operation crewed by CAE?

If so, do you see the common problem. It seems SAS didnít learn from their 1st mistake and have gone back to CAE for the SAIL operation.

It may have been the cheapest, but itís about to bite them in the backside. Fool me once.............etc

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