SAS Ireland SAIL
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For DECs there are indeed lots of jobs out there. My LinkedIn account has been crazy busy since Monarch went down. (With Emirates emailing me the day before shutdown). But they are in Asia, Middle East and Turkey.
I'm from the northern half of UK, there are no Airbus jobs up here. I'm off to WOW as that's the closest I can get. I did apply to SAIL and EZY but no joy.
I'm from the northern half of UK, there are no Airbus jobs up here. I'm off to WOW as that's the closest I can get. I did apply to SAIL and EZY but no joy.
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From: DK
I completely understand the need for having a job but do not kid yourself - every pilot hired in SAIL is taking a job from a scandi pilot. This is not a "new" base with an expanding route network, but a takeover of routes originating out of Scandinavia. The same goes for any base that might open - hence the not so open arms from mainline pilots.
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From: UK
I was seconded to a large Scandanavian carrier in the early 2000's. Fantastic flying and really brilliant guys generally but holy crap they were militant union wise.
Even though we were on an exchange program where exactly the same number of Scandi pilots would come to fly for us in the UK we were subject to very close scrutiny by the line pilots and often questioned why we were there 'taking their flying'. If we were rostered what was considered a prime trip it would swiftly be withdrawn after some vocal and public complaints.
That said, if you need the job and its the only option then of course your family needs come first - however I have heard anecdotally that some Monarch guys fortunate enough to be offered both Virgin and SAIL are taking the SAIL job just to keep their fourth stripe.
If you've no alternative then fair enough but in my experience it won't be that pleasant for them passing through CPH or ARN.
Even though we were on an exchange program where exactly the same number of Scandi pilots would come to fly for us in the UK we were subject to very close scrutiny by the line pilots and often questioned why we were there 'taking their flying'. If we were rostered what was considered a prime trip it would swiftly be withdrawn after some vocal and public complaints.
That said, if you need the job and its the only option then of course your family needs come first - however I have heard anecdotally that some Monarch guys fortunate enough to be offered both Virgin and SAIL are taking the SAIL job just to keep their fourth stripe.
If you've no alternative then fair enough but in my experience it won't be that pleasant for them passing through CPH or ARN.
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From: DK
ATIS there are no airbus jobs in Scandinavia either and for every SAIL pilot there will be one less. I wish you the best of luck in the North Atlantic...
AFA there is no exchange of jobs here it's a one way road. SAIL is a means to an end - busting those "militant" unions and lowering T and C's, actually not unlike what's happening to most legacy carriers in Europe right now.
AFA there is no exchange of jobs here it's a one way road. SAIL is a means to an end - busting those "militant" unions and lowering T and C's, actually not unlike what's happening to most legacy carriers in Europe right now.
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From: Up north
Lots of jobs in Europe at the moment. Unfortunately more or less not a single one offering decent terms and conditions. Wow, SAIL, Small Planet, Primera, Eurowings, Germania, and the list goes on, ALL offering terrible contracts with terrible pay.
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From: Burwash
Taking a job is taking one away from a scandi pilot. I presume you're talking about one that's not employed yet? They aren't going to make any redundant because of SAIL.
I'm sick and tired of blinkered pilots moaning, the demise of Monarch taught me treasure what you have, don't be militant or you might find you have nothing. You should be pleased Monarch people have found jobs
I'm sick and tired of blinkered pilots moaning, the demise of Monarch taught me treasure what you have, don't be militant or you might find you have nothing. You should be pleased Monarch people have found jobs
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From: Scandinavia
Are you sure about this, buddy?
If you can guarantee that my career prospects as a SAS pilot is unaffected by SAIL I would believe what you say.
Blinkered pilots? I have been made redundant and lost my job in a bankruptcy, I am very sorry for Monarch pilots but should I show them any sympathy and let them steal my job?
If you can guarantee that my career prospects as a SAS pilot is unaffected by SAIL I would believe what you say.
Blinkered pilots? I have been made redundant and lost my job in a bankruptcy, I am very sorry for Monarch pilots but should I show them any sympathy and let them steal my job?
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From: The rock
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From: europe
Very Well.
SAIL was created for the sole purpose of undermining the unions and T&Cs of employees in Scandiland. The routes you will be flying are not new or part of any kind of expansion. They are the very same ones SAS has been flying for decades. You may be able to pay your bills now, but you are directly contributing to someone else not being able to. Of course that someone is far away on the other side of the North Sea, so not your problem.
But rest assured you will be considered barely half a notch above a
by those who up until now have been flying those very same planes on those very same routes.
Race to the bottom, every man for himself. It´s like we can´t wait to get there.
SAIL was created for the sole purpose of undermining the unions and T&Cs of employees in Scandiland. The routes you will be flying are not new or part of any kind of expansion. They are the very same ones SAS has been flying for decades. You may be able to pay your bills now, but you are directly contributing to someone else not being able to. Of course that someone is far away on the other side of the North Sea, so not your problem.
But rest assured you will be considered barely half a notch above a
by those who up until now have been flying those very same planes on those very same routes.Race to the bottom, every man for himself. It´s like we can´t wait to get there.
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From: UK
Yes great idea, I'll pass that around us ex-monarch lot that no one should join as we might make someone not be able to pay bills in the future. So in the meantime we'll live on the poverty line with no income so you can pocket your fat SAS pension. Get real, our airline went bankrupt and tore lives apart with it. Do you think any of us actually want to fly for SAS Ireland? No. But it sure beats sitting at home worrying about how the mortgage will be paid and how food can be put on the table for children.
Get real. (And no I'm not joining myself)
I honestly can't believe some of the stuff I read on here sometimes
Get real. (And no I'm not joining myself)
I honestly can't believe some of the stuff I read on here sometimes
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From: Up front
Prof’
Exactly!
I’m not joining either, nor am I going to Thomas Cook belarics! I’m lucky to have a position now, and no I didn’t get an interview with VS.
It’s not about a race to the bottom it’s about being able to operate an airline once we exit the EU, That’s the bean counters view, imho.
Whoever takes the opportunities the best of British. Your going to need it because the industry has nose dived because, like these adverse comments your own colleagues don’t stand together and see the bigger picture.
Exactly!
I’m not joining either, nor am I going to Thomas Cook belarics! I’m lucky to have a position now, and no I didn’t get an interview with VS.
It’s not about a race to the bottom it’s about being able to operate an airline once we exit the EU, That’s the bean counters view, imho.
Whoever takes the opportunities the best of British. Your going to need it because the industry has nose dived because, like these adverse comments your own colleagues don’t stand together and see the bigger picture.
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From: DK
Well management is getting what they want - us throwing mud amongst ourselves and the bean counters are filled with joy looking at their spreadsheets and wondering if they can make us work for even less.
I do wonder however if this outfit will ever become airborne - rumor has it that head of operations just quit and left for Norwegian - funny.
I do wonder however if this outfit will ever become airborne - rumor has it that head of operations just quit and left for Norwegian - funny
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From: Between a rock and a hard place
There isn’t much mainline pilots can do about this I am afraid. We can somewhat control our own situation, but we don’t run the company. If they want to set up a separate entity, albeit in the same colors, we’re short of leverage.
I don’t blame the Monarch, Air Berlin or Wizzair pilots for joining this gig. They try to self-maximize. Anyone who doesn’t is a hypocrat. I do however question the morals of the management who I wonder got their university degree from where? Put their kids through schools paid by who? Now they’re going to finance Ireland corrupted aviation authority and tax system, on routes previously flown by Scandinavian crew to/from Scandinavia.
Nope, can’t say I am happy about it. Enjoy the Stockholm layovers.
I don’t blame the Monarch, Air Berlin or Wizzair pilots for joining this gig. They try to self-maximize. Anyone who doesn’t is a hypocrat. I do however question the morals of the management who I wonder got their university degree from where? Put their kids through schools paid by who? Now they’re going to finance Ireland corrupted aviation authority and tax system, on routes previously flown by Scandinavian crew to/from Scandinavia.
Nope, can’t say I am happy about it. Enjoy the Stockholm layovers.