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Old 25th Oct 2017, 08:59
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Originally Posted by premiere View Post
Well......this ex Monarch crew just told them where to stick their T & Cs !
Can someone please detail the package on offer for line captains? I'd like to confirm my general despondency with the industry 😖
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 11:28
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can't find pdf with conditions on my laptop, but ask CAE Parc Aviation, they will send you that file


Another question - anybody actually know when they will start operations??
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 19:12
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I recall line Capt as around 6500 per month. No pension. Can probably make more driving a Uber.. better tax breaks anyway.

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Old 25th Oct 2017, 19:22
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Didn't Norwegian start in the U.K. with abysmal T & Cs. They now have a pension and LOL.

With pilot and cabin crew union agreements signed I would hope once things have settled down, improvements could hopefully be negotiated. Good luck all.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 19:53
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If it becomes a success story, things will clearly have to change w.r.t T's & C's as people will vote with their feet for better paying jobs; but in the mean time it will suit a fair few who are, through bad luck and circumstance, currently unemployed. Joining is optional, but my guess is that remaining will be conditional, for those who are joining to bridge a gap. There are lots of better options around... if geography is not a factor; and as we all know in this industry, it is far better to apply for a new role from a position of strength (i.e presently employed).
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 20:11
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Reminds me when I became a Klingon, we Cambrian guys had that title for many years in Ba,the only difference being that we were on the same salaries as the main line guys, who knows what will happen in the future depends how many walk after two years ,also became one of the few.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 21:50
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Parc are quoting 8,378 a month all in. They have to provide a pension as it is UK based but it is only the state minimum level of contribution.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 09:49
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So not great indeed, around 15% less than a UK orange base without considering pension, LOL, sick pay. I guess we're talking 25% less if you fund all the extra benefits yourself. 5/4 roster should be good though.

SAS will get away with it for now due to the unfortunate demise of Monarch. Good luck to those joining for improving the package over time.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 19:09
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From the inside;
no problems finding first officers but qualified captains is another story...
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 20:01
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Spoke to a rival recruitment agency based in the emerald isle who took great glee in describing the state SAIL are in due to the poor contract and and the mess the rival agency were making of the recruitment process.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 21:04
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Originally Posted by MD80rookie View Post
From the inside;
no problems finding first officers but qualified captains is another story...
Plenty of Monarch skippers.
U are not up to date mate

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Old 26th Oct 2017, 21:30
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Basic pay for a captain is about 60,000 pounds.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 21:55
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Just under 69K

Add flight pay, nightstop pay and overtime rate, after 60hrs, on top.

I'm pretty sure ex Monarch Luton and Gatwick pilots would consider it, especially senior boys who are already collecting a pension. 5 on 4 off probably being the draw factor.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 00:14
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The contract I have says 62,640 pounds basic pay. To add overtime in a calculation is misleading to put it mildly.

I sincerely doubt that the pay will increase, since the whole point of setting up the LHR base is to have lower costs than in Scandinavia. The mainline pay is already way below other European legacy carriers.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 05:09
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I'm sure plenty of Monarch guys have applied. Whether any of them turn up is another matter. They are all (quite rightly) applying for everything out there. There are 70 jobs in VS for them and dozens of command positions in Easyjet and Titan. The year 1 VS package is well above SAS command money. The Wow package beats this and it's still way below Easyjet. Never mind 54..do a year in Easyjet and go part-time. You'd still be quids in and with more time off.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 08:54
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Thad, being allowed to go part time at LGW with Orange is a pipe dream. I had a mate who went in 2014 and despite being told he could go part time he never got it. He was so fed up with it that he retired.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 10:37
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You have to add 10-12 overnights - if that's your fancy then fine... You'll also be going thru scandi land flying scandi routes - I don't think you'll be welcomed.

Still no AOC in the tax paradise - wonder if recruiting managers is troublesome?

Luckily Airbus is having problems delivering neo's (not) - this really would be sad if it's your last choice/chance considering brand value. But looking at the other "wetleases" SAS hires I guess it's not that important any more.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 11:32
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Really Annoyed, sorry my post wasn't clear. That 69K was basic.

Quite possibly like WOW, basic depends on your experience
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 21:49
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Tubby,
Possibly correct in 2014. Not true now
Loads of people are going part time at LGW. All the people I have spoken to say you need to plan a year to get the part time to kick in, but you will get it under flexible working, probably a very suitable pattern.
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 17:04
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Tier 1, Tier2 = bigtime bluff!

This Irish AOC is just part of SAS long term management plan to try to concentrate to minimize costs without paying any considerations to safety and some other key values in aviation which we pilots take granted. Good examples can be found very near, sadly! After acquiring this ACMI partner _Cityjet__, it has been a total ghostride for employees , not to mention poor pilots!

At the moment Finnish NTSB is investigating a latest cityjet mishap which happened in EFTU. It is categorized as very Serious aviation safety incident which endangered 92 pax lives + crew of 4 .
And this was not the first of a kind fo cityjet alias SAS
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