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Old 1st Dec 2017, 10:42
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With a bit of delay they have 1st a/c:

https://www.planespotters.net/airfra...A-SAS/1O0lf628
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 13:05
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It says it belongs to Scandinavian Airlnes (SAS).

Even management agrees, thatís not the case
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 06:50
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Very Well.
SAIL was created for the sole purpose of undermining the unions and T&Cs of employees in Scandiland. The routes you will be flying are not new or part of any kind of expansion. They are the very same ones SAS has been flying for decades. You may be able to pay your bills now, but you are directly contributing to someone else not being able to. Of course that someone is far away on the other side of the North Sea, so not your problem.
But rest assured you will be considered barely half a notch above a by those who up until now have been flying those very same planes on those very same routes.

Race to the bottom, every man for himself. Itīs like we canīt wait to get there.
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Old 5th Dec 2017, 23:49
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Yes great idea, I'll pass that around us ex-monarch lot that no one should join as we might make someone not be able to pay bills in the future. So in the meantime we'll live on the poverty line with no income so you can pocket your fat SAS pension. Get real, our airline went bankrupt and tore lives apart with it. Do you think any of us actually want to fly for SAS Ireland? No. But it sure beats sitting at home worrying about how the mortgage will be paid and how food can be put on the table for children.

Get real. (And no I'm not joining myself)

I honestly can't believe some of the stuff I read on here sometimes
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 05:11
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Exactly!
I’m not joining either, nor am I going to Thomas Cook belarics! I’m lucky to have a position now, and no I didn’t get an interview with VS.

It’s not about a race to the bottom it’s about being able to operate an airline once we exit the EU, That’s the bean counters view, imho.
Whoever takes the opportunities the best of British. Your going to need it because the industry has nose dived because, like these adverse comments your own colleagues don’t stand together and see the bigger picture.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 08:14
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Well management is getting what they want - us throwing mud amongst ourselves and the bean counters are filled with joy looking at their spreadsheets and wondering if they can make us work for even less.

I do wonder however if this outfit will ever become airborne - rumor has it that head of operations just quit and left for Norwegian - funny .
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 09:05
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Iím sure EZY and VS have already swept up the most qualified pilots from Monarch and these are the leftovers along with the Libyan first officers currently training. Survival of the fittest...
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 09:30
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Itís you whose allowing the degredation of your own terms, not someone far far away.

Youre an organised work force do something about it before itís too late.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 13:45
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There isn’t much mainline pilots can do about this I am afraid. We can somewhat control our own situation, but we don’t run the company. If they want to set up a separate entity, albeit in the same colors, we’re short of leverage.

I don’t blame the Monarch, Air Berlin or Wizzair pilots for joining this gig. They try to self-maximize. Anyone who doesn’t is a hypocrat. I do however question the morals of the management who I wonder got their university degree from where? Put their kids through schools paid by who? Now they’re going to finance Ireland corrupted aviation authority and tax system, on routes previously flown by Scandinavian crew to/from Scandinavia.

Nope, can’t say I am happy about it. Enjoy the Stockholm layovers.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 14:46
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The way i see it is that there will be a lot of turnaround in this gig.
Temporary anchor then move to better fields.
Do not blame the driver guys.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 21:35
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Temporary and then to what? Asia? The new standard “deal” for 320/737 captains in Europe seems to be around €6-7000 gross on a contract via agency with no pension, no or very low sick pay, 8 days off per month spread out over the month and no fixed base.

Good luck.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 04:51
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I understand, that Monarch and Air Berlin pilots need to pay their bills.

Still, you can compare it to the Ansett/Trans Australian situation in 1989. The original employees got out-manoeuvred, and other labour took their place.

They were called , and to this day the situation cause tension.

I am aware, that the Australian pilots all resigned in order to put pressure on the management, but I fully understand their anger.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 08:26
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Nonsense

In 1989 there was a strike.
There was hiring ban put in place by IFALPA.
Those who flew, did so knowing they were strike breaking.

None of those factors are in play today.
Is it cost reducing? Yes
Will it erode the SAS contract over time? Definitely
What are the SAS pilots doing about it? Nothing

Matthew 5:5 is not a suitable strategy to address your issues.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 11:28
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I’m sure EZY and VS have already swept up the most qualified pilots from Monarch and these are the leftovers along with the Libyan first officers currently training. Survival of the fittest...
Incorrect. EZY have taken a lot of TREs. No DECs are starting before April. There is no FO recruitment until September at the earliest. How do I know this? Because I was sat in the old Concorde House talking to the easyJet pilot recruitment team in one of the Monarch drop in sessions they set up. Virgin hired 50, a fair few of them were LHS at Monarch so a lot of FOs kicking around.

The way i see it is that there will be a lot of turnaround in this gig.
Temporary anchor then move to better fields.
Do not blame the driver guys.
Correct. I'd imagine as soon as easyJet do FO assessments the floodgates will open.

All of SAS's christmases have come at once with Monarch going down.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 14:08
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Originally Posted by McBruce View Post
Itís you whose allowing the degredation of your own terms, not someone far far away.

Youre an organised work force do something about it before itís too late.
Believe you me, the unions tried. EU laws actually don't allow the unions to oppose this, it is within a company's right to establish subsidiaries. At least that's what the legalese said when the unions read it.
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 11:54
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ProfessorSnape said

Incorrect. EZY have taken a lot of TREs. No DECs are starting before April.

This is incorrect!
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 12:23
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RHINO - in which case that's excellent news! I'm not aware of a single captain who has a date before April but if they do I'm very happy for them. It was a right pain for many just trying to book an assessment as it required constant monitoring of the site for a day to pop up!
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 12:34
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DEC's started nearly two weeks ago...
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 06:16
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Dear SAS pilots,

Much like the Cathay/49'er conflict You can not expect other pilots to fight Your fight.
You start the fight, then others might join in.

Legal mumbo jumbo about why You have been unable to do something is just bs.

Stop looking for excuses for doing nothing, You have been doing that for 15 years and see where that got You!
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 07:30
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You do know right that all our planes we’re parked up 1,5 years ago to get rid of the “A and B scale”? More than can be said about Cathay? It’s got everything to do with the “legal mumbo jumbo”. Public support is long gone in this low cost era.

I am of the opinion the unions could have a tougher attitude in some issues we’re facing but had there been a reasonable way to stop this I am sure they would’ve.
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