SAS Ireland SAIL
Joined: Aug 2002
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From: Up north
Temporary and then to what? Asia? The new standard “deal” for 320/737 captains in Europe seems to be around €6-7000 gross on a contract via agency with no pension, no or very low sick pay, 8 days off per month spread out over the month and no fixed base.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Joined: Jun 2005
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From: Denmark
I understand, that Monarch and Air Berlin pilots need to pay their bills.
Still, you can compare it to the Ansett/Trans Australian situation in 1989. The original employees got out-manoeuvred, and other labour took their place.
They were called
, and to this day the situation cause tension.
I am aware, that the Australian pilots all resigned in order to put pressure on the management, but I fully understand their anger.
Still, you can compare it to the Ansett/Trans Australian situation in 1989. The original employees got out-manoeuvred, and other labour took their place.
They were called
, and to this day the situation cause tension.I am aware, that the Australian pilots all resigned in order to put pressure on the management, but I fully understand their anger.
Joined: May 1999
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From: Europe
Nonsense
In 1989 there was a strike.
There was hiring ban put in place by IFALPA.
Those who flew, did so knowing they were strike breaking.
None of those factors are in play today.
Is it cost reducing? Yes
Will it erode the SAS contract over time? Definitely
What are the SAS pilots doing about it? Nothing
Matthew 5:5 is not a suitable strategy to address your issues.
There was hiring ban put in place by IFALPA.
Those who flew, did so knowing they were strike breaking.
None of those factors are in play today.
Is it cost reducing? Yes
Will it erode the SAS contract over time? Definitely
What are the SAS pilots doing about it? Nothing
Matthew 5:5 is not a suitable strategy to address your issues.
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: UK
The way i see it is that there will be a lot of turnaround in this gig.
Temporary anchor then move to better fields.
Do not blame the driver guys.
Temporary anchor then move to better fields.
Do not blame the driver guys.
All of SAS's christmases have come at once with Monarch going down.
Joined: Aug 2007
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From: Utterly insignificant little blue-green planet, unregarded yellow sun, unfashionable end, western spiral arm, Milky Way
Believe you me, the unions tried. EU laws actually don't allow the unions to oppose this, it is within a company's right to establish subsidiaries. At least that's what the legalese said when the unions read it.
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: UK
RHINO - in which case that's excellent news! I'm not aware of a single captain who has a date before April but if they do I'm very happy for them. It was a right pain for many just trying to book an assessment as it required constant monitoring of the site for a day to pop up!
Joined: Feb 2001
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From: Cloud 7
Dear SAS pilots,
Much like the Cathay/49'er conflict You can not expect other pilots to fight Your fight.
You start the fight, then others might join in.
Legal mumbo jumbo about why You have been unable to do something is just bs.
Stop looking for excuses for doing nothing, You have been doing that for 15 years and see where that got You!
Much like the Cathay/49'er conflict You can not expect other pilots to fight Your fight.
You start the fight, then others might join in.
Legal mumbo jumbo about why You have been unable to do something is just bs.
Stop looking for excuses for doing nothing, You have been doing that for 15 years and see where that got You!
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Joined: Jan 2006
Aviation Qualifications: CPL
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From: Between a rock and a hard place
You do know right that all our planes we’re parked up 1,5 years ago to get rid of the “A and B scale”? More than can be said about Cathay? It’s got everything to do with the “legal mumbo jumbo”. Public support is long gone in this low cost era.
I am of the opinion the unions could have a tougher attitude in some issues we’re facing but had there been a reasonable way to stop this I am sure they would’ve.
I am of the opinion the unions could have a tougher attitude in some issues we’re facing but had there been a reasonable way to stop this I am sure they would’ve.
Joined: Feb 2001
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From: Cloud 7
172,
Yes I am aware, also aware You just signed a new 3 year contract to get a few % payraise while SAIL gets of the ground!
Public support and reasonable solutions are just more excuses.
You have to be prepared to wage war on management, talk will get You nowhere.
Yes I am aware, also aware You just signed a new 3 year contract to get a few % payraise while SAIL gets of the ground!
Public support and reasonable solutions are just more excuses.
You have to be prepared to wage war on management, talk will get You nowhere.
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Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Between a rock and a hard place
C195,
It's limited by CLA, but still too many
hd,
3 year agreement that can be waived after 2. And no, I wasn't in support of that either.
Hopefully SAIL will soon be written off as a one time loss, just as Snowflake, Spanair, etc.
It's limited by CLA, but still too many
hd,
3 year agreement that can be waived after 2. And no, I wasn't in support of that either.
Hopefully SAIL will soon be written off as a one time loss, just as Snowflake, Spanair, etc.
Joined: Mar 2001
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From: I wouldn't know.
Don’t confuse AOC and registration. Just because a plane has an irish registration doesn’t mean it has to be flown in an irish AOC. Therefore, if that irish registered plane is flying it can do so in any kind of AOC.
Joined: Jul 2002
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From: europe
... and at the very same time SAS tells scandi media (børsen.dk) "no AOC yet".
Sounds like they are stringing along their SAIL employees.
Any day now, any day.
Tell us, how many of those mates of yours are getting paid while they wait?
Sounds like they are stringing along their SAIL employees.
Any day now, any day.
Tell us, how many of those mates of yours are getting paid while they wait?