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Old 9th January 2020 | 15:08
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Heaven help anyone who has new SOPs, bidding rules, AND a type rating to get to grips with!
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Old 9th January 2020 | 21:46
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We’ve all been there!
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Old 10th January 2020 | 08:10
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Is there any likelihood of recruitment for long haul again onto the 777 or 787? Or is it looking like the way in is through short haul?
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Old 10th January 2020 | 09:15
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Originally Posted by Gingerbread Man
Heaven help anyone who has new SOPs, bidding rules, AND a type rating to get to grips with!
I don’t think there is any harm in being aware of what is vaguely possible or impossible, that might swing the decision as to whether to join BA or not, but yes, there’s a danger of TMI. I agree with a comment made upthread about not trying to get your head around bidding until you get on the line....

Yes, that means for the first few months your bids will be a shot in the dark but TBH whether you craft a bid using logic worthy of Alan Turing or just stick a pin in a few bid commands/toss a coin chances are due juniority results will probably be the same. .... however I’d seriously suggest new joiners consider buying a bidding app once they are on-line ...the company interface would have the aforementioned Turing struggling to produce anything meaningful.



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Old 10th January 2020 | 09:17
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Based on the PRIAM results I would expect plenty of hiring on both the 787 and 777 this year. However, there might already be sufficient people in the hold pool to cover these needs. All longhaul fleets need pilots.
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Old 10th January 2020 | 11:33
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Originally Posted by wiggy
I don’t think there is any harm in being aware of what is vaguely possible or impossible, that might swing the decision as to whether to join BA or not, but yes, there’s a danger of TMI. I agree with a comment made upthread about not trying to get your head around bidding until you get on the line....

Yes, that means for the first few months your bids will be a shot in the dark but TBH whether you craft a bid using logic worthy of Alan Turing or just stick a pin in a few bid commands/toss a coin chances are due juniority results will probably be the same. .... however I’d seriously suggest new joiners consider buying a bidding app once they are on-line ...the company interface would have the aforementioned Turing struggling to produce anything meaningful.
There’s nothing wrong with it at all - that’s not really what I meant. I am just surprised at the complexity of rostering. The information given on here is hugely helpful, and thank you to all those giving it.
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Old 10th January 2020 | 22:25
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Would anyone mind shedding some light on verbal reasoning and numerical reasoning done on stage 1?
And what level of maths to expect?

Would Greatly appreciate it
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Old 10th January 2020 | 23:50
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Flying high,

I think you'd probably be better off asking that question in the other forum, 'Interviews, Jobs and Sponsorship'.
Good luck.

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Old 11th January 2020 | 08:00
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Originally Posted by Gingerbread Man
I am just surprised at the complexity of rostering.
Trust me, there are about 4000 people who continue to be surprised....

Feb rosters came out yesterday and on company yammer we have the now traditional questions being asked which are usually along the lines of “WTH didn’t my bid work this time around???????”
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Old 11th January 2020 | 08:28
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Originally Posted by wiggy
“WTH didn’t my bid work this time around???????”
Our good friend “Global Contraints”.

All of my bid groups feasible but most failed due to GC. JSS is a total shambles that no one seems to really understand. Still can’t find anyone on the line willing to admit they actually voted for this s***!

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Old 11th January 2020 | 09:16
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L - - award all work. 1 bid group only, no avoids and I end up in fall back bid group 4.....???
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Old 11th January 2020 | 09:28
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Originally Posted by bex88
L - - award all work. 1 bid group only, no avoids and I end up in fall back bid group 4.....???
Darned if I know..other than to get the work covered they needed you into fallback (?mode 3) to get more hours on your line....have you ended up way above CAP by any chance?

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Old 11th January 2020 | 10:08
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Bex, that means you went into fallback stage 3, which is to widen the credit range by an hour. I personally think the credit range is one of the biggest reasons why fallback effects so many people, why global constraints goes so high, and why junior guys are working their nuts off. The problem is we are trying to make JSS as much like old bidline as possible, and it just isn’t. We had a lot of control over our old banks and they appear to be restricting the credit ranges to try and mimic that. This means JSS is covering the work with one hand tied behind its back, leaving lots of uncovered work. Junior guys have very little if any control once global constraints gets involved. Every month under JSS, I get told here’s what you could have had, but we’ve just given it to someone else during global constraints, so here, have this crap instead. We know you specifically requested not to have that work, but never mind. It’s like the old roster assign, only they remove every single trip you had rather than just the one, and they don’t pay you if you work over CAP.
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Old 11th January 2020 | 13:22
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Can you tell me if there is a training bond for non type rated First Officers?
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Old 11th January 2020 | 18:47
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Originally Posted by Bloated Stomach
Can you tell me if there is a training bond for non type rated First Officers?
There is no bond.
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Old 12th January 2020 | 06:27
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Originally Posted by bex88
L - - award all work. 1 bid group only, no avoids and I end up in fall back bid group 4.....???
bex no offence but ask your fo's, or one of the Jss trainers how to make a proper bid, L-- award all work and only one bid group doesn't sound you understand the system very well.
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Old 12th January 2020 | 06:50
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Almost 2 years in on the 777 and the rosters have been pretty good for a while, granted I am not pushing for weekends off but have been getting a pretty good balance of trips. Just takes a few goes to work out the best JSS bid for your seniority.
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Old 12th January 2020 | 11:11
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Originally Posted by Thegreenmachine
There is no bond.
Thank you.
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Old 12th January 2020 | 13:51
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L - - award all work. 1 bid group only, no avoids and I end up in fall back bid group 4.....???
bex, do you use ibid? It’s “bid generator” works really well (other bidding apps are available!)

18 months in, on SH, i generally get the length of trips I want and broadly the nightstops I bid for. Weekends off are rare in summer, but I’ve had a few so far this winter. Mid haul / standovers are like golden hens teeth for me. My only real complaint is having to do reserve every 3rd month. Hopefully that will change with the shorter reserve periods supposedly coming soon.
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Old 12th January 2020 | 14:07
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Originally Posted by Bloated Stomach
Thank you.
wouldn’t be surprised if that ended sooner rather than later. People have been leaving inside their first couple of years in droves recently. It can’t have escaped BA’s attention, particularly in the current cost dominated climate.
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