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Old 11th Apr 2019, 17:31
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Lots commuting from the crown dependencies, but you need the right to live there, not easy and generally speaking it’s by birth, hence my previous comment about people who were born and bred there.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 21:43
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Not sure if you’re referring to the Channel Islands, but you have every right to live there with a UK passport. Portugal would leave quite a bit more in your pocket, however.

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Old 12th Apr 2019, 01:48
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Originally Posted by Buter View Post
Not sure if you’re referring to the Channel Islands, but you have every right to live there with a UK passport. Portugal would leave quite a bit more in your pocket, however.

Cheers

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True, but without a housing permit, your options on what property you can buy or rent in CI are severely restricted/ more expensive...
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 09:31
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Originally Posted by Freehills View Post
True, but without a housing permit, your options on what property you can buy or rent in CI are severely restricted/ more expensive...
precisely. You can’t buy property in Jersey unless you are residentially qualified. That takes over ten years nowadays. Renting a non qualified property for ten years commensurate with the standard in which you want to live is extremely difficult and going to severely set you back and (together with commuting costs) negate any saving you would make in tax. So theoretically possibly yes but practically pointless.

Anyway sincere apologies for the immense thread drift for which I am again partially responsible!
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 14:05
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All correct. You actually left out the fact that the commute itself sucks.

Therefore, Portugal is a far better option for weather, commuting and tax avoidance (avoidance is perfectly legal, evasion is what gets you in trouble).

Are people still trying to join BA...?

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Old 13th Apr 2019, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Buter View Post
All correct. You actually left out the fact that the commute itself sucks.

Therefore, Portugal is a far better option for weather, commuting and tax avoidance (avoidance is perfectly legal, evasion is what gets you in trouble).

Are people still trying to join BA...?

B
Apparently!
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 16:06
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Part Time

Hi All,

I'm joining BA soon on LH and I've got a fair amount of information about how stuff works, but I haven't got any info on part time. Could anyone shed some light on what part time options are available and what hoops need to be jumped through before I'd be eligible?

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Old 18th Apr 2019, 23:59
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I can't be too specific - someone else will be along with the exact options. What I can tell you is that it will probably be quite a long wait. As far as I'm aware, no part time has been granted whatsoever in 2019.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 06:27
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey View Post
I can't be too specific - someone else will be along with the exact options. What I can tell you is that it will probably be quite a long wait. As far as I'm aware, no part time has been granted whatsoever in 2019.
Maybe no “aspirational” part time has been granted. “Right to request” part time has I believe.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 08:24
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Thanks for getting back to me, I'm sorry for being completely clueless, but is aspirational just like attaching it to a bid? the same way you would indicate what fleet/rank you would like to be?

As for right of request, I thought it was now a statutory right to request part time under flexi-working rules, although the company has a million and one easy ways to reject it as per the usual UK employment laws... Do BA have a different (improved?) system to this?

My main reason for asking is I'm going to be commuting from mainland Europe (not to tax dodge as seems to be the main motivation according to this thread!), and ideally I'd like to get onto something like a 75% contract as soon as possible to ease some of the burden of commuting off. Is this something I could expect within say the first 5 years, or something that will have to wait until further in my career? And do factors like having newly born children effect the likelihood of getting accepted?

Thanks in advance everyone and hope to see you on the line soon!
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 12:14
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Originally Posted by HardLanding1 View Post
Thanks for getting back to me, I'm sorry for being completely clueless, but is aspirational just like attaching it to a bid? the same way you would indicate what fleet/rank you would like to be?

As for right of request, I thought it was now a statutory right to request part time under flexi-working rules, although the company has a million and one easy ways to reject it as per the usual UK employment laws... Do BA have a different (improved?) system to this?

My main reason for asking is I'm going to be commuting from mainland Europe (not to tax dodge as seems to be the main motivation according to this thread!), and ideally I'd like to get onto something like a 75% contract as soon as possible to ease some of the burden of commuting off. Is this something I could expect within say the first 5 years, or something that will have to wait until further in my career? And do factors like having newly born children effect the likelihood of getting accepted?

Thanks in advance everyone and hope to see you on the line soon!

Right to Request is exactly as it says on the tin, you have the right to request part time working (for whatever reason you like nowadays, having children is not a prerequisite). The company cannot simply refuse/reject it, you’ll be put on a waiting list and eventually it’ll be granted. How long is anyone’s guess, it seems to be roughly a year at the moment but I know some who’ve had it granted more quickly than that (also longer too).

Aspirational part time is a different pattern of working and part of the annual Priam bid whereas right to request can be done at any time of year by going through the official application channels with HR.

Theres plenty of pilots who’ve had RTR granted within the first five years (some within the first two years!) as there’s no minimum time stipulation.
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 06:59
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Recruitment is in a death spiral at the moment, because not only are their usual supply lines running dry, there are increasing numbers of pilots in their first year just upping sticks and leaving.
Recruitment are either being really clever and resourcing the line to be fighting fit for a downturn OR really stupid and racing towards a mass cancellation Summer (similar to Ryanair in 2018?)

It’s not pretty at the moment. Bidding via JSS has gone to ratsh*t on some fleets due to not enough pilots.

Not one pilot got awarded part time this year.

It’s going to be a very uncomfortable Summer.

But…Totally predictable too. Yet ‘Finance’ insisted on keeping their boot on the throat of all other departments. And the guy who created this mess. The guy who said ‘NO’ on repeated loop for the last 4 years?

They promoted him to IAG CFO!



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Old 20th Apr 2019, 12:57
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Not one pilot got awarded part time this year.
I presume you are referring to aspirational part time only? I know for a fact that at least one pilot has been given RTR part time in 2019.
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 13:04
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Originally Posted by Right Engine View Post
Recruitment is in a death spiral at the moment, because not only are their usual supply lines running dry, there are increasing numbers of pilots in their first year just upping sticks and leaving.
Recruitment are either being really clever and resourcing the line to be fighting fit for a downturn OR really stupid and racing towards a mass cancellation Summer (similar to Ryanair in 2018?)



No way!!! What is the bond at BA?
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 13:20
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post


No way!!! What is the bond at BA?
There is no bond per-se at BA (though SSP Pilot’s do pay circa £18K for an Airbus type rating I believe.

The only part-time contracts that have been awarded this year are for compassionate reasons under the RTR scheme. No aspirational contracts have been awarded, and none that have applied for increased PT either (72% moving to 58%).

BA is massively under-resourced at the moment, in practically every department. A toxic management environment keeps everybody just about working through threats of disciplinary procedures if one dares to be too sick in any annual period.

if you’re enjoying short haul somewhere else, my advice would be to stay where you are. It is only the attraction, for some, of long haul that continues to lure people to our airline of faded glory.

As long as you can put up with never having a weekend off for the next few years, working to EASA limits, and a company that will try to give you a self funded pay cut year after year then come on in, the waters lovely!

Plenty of recent joiners are finding that where they’ve come from is actually a better gig than BA and head back - EZ, RYR, VS et al - even some from the sand pit have returned!
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 20:37
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Recruitment is going flat out at the moment, the problem is too little too late. Unfortunately those previously in charge of pilot resources ran down pilot numbers to save money and it's coming back to bite now. I'm sure when the next recession hits they'll be biting the hands off those that want to go part time.....
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Old 2nd May 2019, 21:03
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Anyone know how often they recruit experienced crew or when they're likely to re-open recruitment? Not BACF, mainline.

Cheers!
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Old 2nd May 2019, 21:37
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Is it possible to have rough timeframes for being able to achieve a couple of weekends off each month, for each seat in each fleet? I know it’s a big ask and not very representative without knowing how much future recruitment there would be, but it would be useful to guesstimate the sort of choices you’d have to make for your lifestyle.

I look at a fixed pattern roster and see how many weekends there are off, and then think how tempting BA is that with time served, you can bid to not work any... until your next move! I can’t work out which is preferable; having some off, but having that pattern forever, or the snakes & ladders situation of a seniority list with fleet/seat moves. I was pretty staggered to read on here, and hear from friends how rare a weekend off is in the early days. Obvious when you think about it, but still. A close friend who joined at the start of the latest recruitment wave gets nearly every weekend off on SH. But if he wants to upgrade, or go LH...

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Old 3rd May 2019, 07:38
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Weekend working and the whole rostering/bidding system is a very controversial issue at the moment.

Whilst you may get best guesses from some on whereabouts on a seniority list you need to be to get a chance of getting a certain number of weekends off e.g. - "A3XX, 25% from the top, get every other W/E off" I'm not sure anyone can give you a definitive timescales in terms of “X months" or “Y years" simply because your rate of movement up a list depends on all sorts of unknowns.

Just for the sake of overview I'll offer that there are lots of grumbles from the Junior and not so junior on both Longhaul and Shorthaul that getting weekends off under JSS is difficult, and guaranteeing specific weekends free is problematic for almost everybody, regardless of seniority, unless they resort to using Golden days ( 6 per year) qnd/or leave or Duty Free Weeks.

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Old 3rd May 2019, 15:45
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Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it and understand the difficulties.

I don’t have an offer or anything, but wanted to be as informed as possible should one come my way in the future.

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