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Old 12th Aug 2017, 07:23
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Just to correct Enzo's figures, basic pay point 24(old scale)/34 (new scale) long haul skippers pay is 164k. Variables would amount to about another 20k pa. A TRE earns an additional 18% on basic. So something in excess of 200k with no overtime for a full timer TRE.

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Old 12th Aug 2017, 11:27
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About the starting salary at Qatar.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 12:04
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There's a very good reason they have to offer start salaries that high in Qatar!
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 12:19
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I'm sure that kind of salary would be on pp34 , which most would never see .
Also I'm very sure that BAs T&Cs will change again during the next 5 years and certainly in the next 34 !!!!
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 12:21
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I reckon you'd be lucky to take just over 1/2 of that 200K home. Subtract the housing and commuting costs and see what you're left with. Then decide if it suits you. It works for some pilots, and not others. Great thing, this free world we live in.

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Old 12th Aug 2017, 21:29
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If it really is the starting salary at Qatar, then go for it, you're welcome to it.
It's the same salary as pp34. Anyone who currently joins under the age of 31 (and most do) can achieve it. Whether it is the same salary scale in 30 years time is purely subjective.
How it is taxed is at the behest of the government, not BA.

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Old 13th Aug 2017, 07:03
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Got facts to back up a starting pay of 200k or was that a wind up.
There are plenty of easy LH commutes where you don't pay tax or v little.
If Jeremy had got in they'd have needed the 380 on the LIS. 😎
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 10:11
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Ok. All Figures are in QAR but you paid in USD.
Base Pay 22575
Housing 13000
Utilities 300
Transport 1500
Flight Pay based on 70hrs 7280
Mobile 33
Total 44688
$12341 a month
Ok if you use there accommodation take 13000 gives 31688 or $8751.
So you would be approx 9400 or 6725 a month. Ok I admit I am using my situation in the figures in the fact I live in UK and wouldn't live in a tax haven and commute to the UK. To earn 9400 a month paying UK tax I would have to be on nearly 200k a year.
People will now say high living costs in Middle East etc etc horrible life but honestly 5 years and you can make a lot of money. I know guys who have done it and guys who are doing it.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 10:40
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I will state my situation is I am the wrong side of 30.
If I were mid 20 max I believe BA would be great but I'm not. BA has some great benefits but for me I don't like the seniority system, I don't like the way BA are going now and I don't see the UK getting much better anytime soon, I know the last fact probably shouldn't be included in this discussion but its a UK based airline so I feel it should. My father lost a lot of money on his pension scheme he was signed into so even the pension benefits at BA doesn't interest me. I only know of one good pension scheme ever and it was the old police full salary end of service pension that does't exist anymore.
Also the other facts are 800-900 hrs a year is going to be normal now for the next 20+ years. I love flying but in 20 years will I be able to bust out 800-900 hrs? I would rather try and get some cash behind me now reinvest it and then live off the benefits they make and hopefully go part time somewhere so I fly for the love of flying. The Middle East is not the answer to everything but I know guys saving 5k a month, but I also know guys who have the latest Range Rover, LV bags for misses etc etc just loving the life they have at this point in time.
I have ranted enough and deviated off the magenta line but just putting my thoughts on the whole matter out there.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 19:40
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
Ok. All Figures are in QAR but you paid in USD.
Base Pay 22575
Housing 13000
Utilities 300
Transport 1500
Flight Pay based on 70hrs 7280
Mobile 33
Total 44688
$12341 a month
Ok if you use there accommodation take 13000 gives 31688 or $8751.
So you would be approx 9400 or 6725 a month. Ok I admit I am using my situation in the figures in the fact I live in UK and wouldn't live in a tax haven and commute to the UK. To earn 9400 a month paying UK tax I would have to be on nearly 200k a year.
People will now say high living costs in Middle East etc etc horrible life but honestly 5 years and you can make a lot of money. I know guys who have done it and guys who are doing it.
There are several issue with the pay at Qatar (and I talk from experience having spent 3.5 years there). Firstly the housing allowance you will never see they will put you in company accommodation and only pay the allowance if the choose to or need to, if you rent privately 13,000 is not enough so you will be loosing even more of your pay. I have long argued that this is dead money and people have rightly pointed out that if you are considering a like for like comparison then you need to consider UK housing costs. My mortgage costs me 1500 a month here or 18000 a year (far less than to rent a small apartment in Qatar), the difference being my house makes far more than that annually in appreciation, so in effect my house is an investment that does not exist in Qatar (remember non nationals are not allowed to buy property in Qatar)

So forget the housing and you are left with 8700 dollars a month which under current exchange rates is a lot of money, but they are at historic lows! A figure closer to 1.5 or 1.6 dollars to the pound are far more representative of the past decade. At those levels it brings your take home closer to 5000 a month, which was about what I was making. Now 5k a month is only slightly more than most BA FOs are making and the difference in living conditions are beyond comparison. To put it nicely Qatar is a boiling hot hell hole full of desperate and greedy individuals, it is an incredibly unpleasant place to live and 6k a month is not even close to a worth while amount.

The head line figures look very appealing but dig a little deeper and remove post Brexit exchange rates and actually things are not so great.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 22:07
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I agree rent is dead money, I rented for years in London however you can have the company accommodation and pump the rest of your money to UK paying off your mortgage, that's what my mate does and I would do the same. My mortgage is the same as yours and I live in a 2 bed flat 80 sqm plus have to pay ground rent and a ridiculous amount of council tax.
As I said the ME isn't the answer but for me I have always hated UK weather probably because I spent a lot of time in the Med winters are brutal to me. I think UK tax system is a joke. For us we just don't see a good future in the UK.

PS We don't live in central London we are zone 5, wouldn't want to live further out. Countryside is nice to visit but I don't know how people live there.
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 14:47
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For us we just don't see a good future in the UK.
Good luck at Qatar - there are plenty of threads in the ME section, but this one is about BA.
As my Mother used to say "don't come crying to me". No whining when you get to Qatar, ok?!
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 16:06
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Ok you meant 200k equivalent with a bit of reversed maths.
Fair enough best of luck I've only spent an hour there.
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 16:24
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
Countryside is nice to visit but I don't know how people live there.
haha. the exact same could be said for London!
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 16:24
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post

PS We don't live in central London we are zone 5, wouldn't want to live further out. Countryside is nice to visit but I don't know how people live there.
We have shops and electricity now.
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 18:01
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 18:36
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Think of all that extra flight pay at Qatar as you have to fly round the ME region just to get in and out ;-)
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 20:45
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Originally Posted by anson harris View Post
As my Mother used to say "don't come crying to me". No whining when you get to Qatar, ok?!
Maybe your mother should have taught you to come across as a bit less of a ? This chap/chap-ess is discussing the pros and cons of BA Direct Entry from their background and experience. And in the vacuum of new developments in the recruitment department, only punctuated by meager speculation here, I can't see it being a bad thing. Meanwhile, feel free to add some useful info of your own instead of using "good luck" as a placeholder for some other less pleasant sentiment.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 13:21
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Anyone heard anymore about internal bids?
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 13:27
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The window for the internal bidding process only closed a couple of weeks back, the collated bids are available to those in house so they can make sure their preferences have been correctly recorded.. Once that's been done (end of this month) it will then be down to the long suffering/hard working lady who organisies all this to crunch the numbers, no doubt after umpteen inputs from network planning, etc

Last time I looked the results weren't due to be published until November...sorry if that wasn't the timescale you were hoping for.

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