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Old 3rd Aug 2017, 12:39
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Also see whether those jobs have a guaranteed increase every year for the rest of your career.
Currently promised. Not "guaranteed"!

Big difference!
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Old 4th Aug 2017, 10:16
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airbus38 Thanks for your comments. It's great to get a different perspective on things .
My profile probably shows I live abroad now and I guess my experiences and expectations have changed my opinions. It does seem that other EU flag carriers and our US competitors are still doing pretty well, for a lot less work. A problem I see with the UK is a serf mentality and a system that has been pretty well designed to milk the last drop of tax out you.
Much of this isn't the employers fault, of course, however, if I was a younger, more thrusting pilot, I'd be exploring options outside of the UK like a flash. It's a big world out there, full of opportunities for the talented and enthusiastic.
I'd certainly view being an airline pilot nowadays as a stepping stone to something better. It isn't a sustainable career for a 20 something starting out in the job.
I foresee many changes for BA flight crew. I'd suggest reading the Emirates threads as it will all be coming to an airline near you in the near future I suspect.
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Old 4th Aug 2017, 20:56
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Has anyone contacted BA to ask about the "white tail" rumour?
It's not a rumour.
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Old 4th Aug 2017, 21:50
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Willing to pay for a type rating and take a reduced salary to join BA?

Tell you what - I'll auction off my airside pass and the idiot's guide to the 380*.

Pay me 30k up front and half my salary for the next 6 years and you'll be living the dream.

(Sorry Wiggy, et al... the very thought of paying for a type or voluntarily reducing a salary in our company is shocking)


*clearly not a serious offer
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Old 5th Aug 2017, 07:45
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I've already started a crowd funder on the fleet Buter

Its going great.
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Old 5th Aug 2017, 09:35
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That's why I love y'all!

Must wind up the rest of the company to know that we're now the best fleet to be on and it's a closed shop!

My sincere best wishes to all those in the hold pool.
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Old 6th Aug 2017, 01:08
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I'd certainly view being an airline pilot nowadays as a stepping stone to something better.
Curious as to what you consider better?
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Old 6th Aug 2017, 04:31
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Anything with a better balance of risk v reward v health. That will depend on your personal circumstances.
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Old 6th Aug 2017, 20:59
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Euro millions fleet is probably better but I don't see much else. "A stepping stone" to what? I don't feel particularly qualified to do much else.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 06:23
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Just to correct Enzo's figures, basic pay point 24(old scale)/34 (new scale) long haul skippers pay is 164k. Variables would amount to about another 20k pa. A TRE earns an additional 18% on basic. So something in excess of 200k with no overtime for a full timer TRE.

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Old 12th Aug 2017, 10:27
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About the starting salary at Qatar.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 11:04
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There's a very good reason they have to offer start salaries that high in Qatar!
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 11:19
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I'm sure that kind of salary would be on pp34 , which most would never see .
Also I'm very sure that BAs T&Cs will change again during the next 5 years and certainly in the next 34 !!!!
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 11:21
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I reckon you'd be lucky to take just over 1/2 of that 200K home. Subtract the housing and commuting costs and see what you're left with. Then decide if it suits you. It works for some pilots, and not others. Great thing, this free world we live in.

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Old 12th Aug 2017, 20:29
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If it really is the starting salary at Qatar, then go for it, you're welcome to it.
It's the same salary as pp34. Anyone who currently joins under the age of 31 (and most do) can achieve it. Whether it is the same salary scale in 30 years time is purely subjective.
How it is taxed is at the behest of the government, not BA.

It's great to have choices.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 06:03
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Got facts to back up a starting pay of 200k or was that a wind up.
There are plenty of easy LH commutes where you don't pay tax or v little.
If Jeremy had got in they'd have needed the 380 on the LIS. 😎
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 09:11
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Ok. All Figures are in QAR but you paid in USD.
Base Pay 22575
Housing 13000
Utilities 300
Transport 1500
Flight Pay based on 70hrs 7280
Mobile 33
Total 44688
$12341 a month
Ok if you use there accommodation take 13000 gives 31688 or $8751.
So you would be approx 9400 or 6725 a month. Ok I admit I am using my situation in the figures in the fact I live in UK and wouldn't live in a tax haven and commute to the UK. To earn 9400 a month paying UK tax I would have to be on nearly 200k a year.
People will now say high living costs in Middle East etc etc horrible life but honestly 5 years and you can make a lot of money. I know guys who have done it and guys who are doing it.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 09:40
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I will state my situation is I am the wrong side of 30.
If I were mid 20 max I believe BA would be great but I'm not. BA has some great benefits but for me I don't like the seniority system, I don't like the way BA are going now and I don't see the UK getting much better anytime soon, I know the last fact probably shouldn't be included in this discussion but its a UK based airline so I feel it should. My father lost a lot of money on his pension scheme he was signed into so even the pension benefits at BA doesn't interest me. I only know of one good pension scheme ever and it was the old police full salary end of service pension that does't exist anymore.
Also the other facts are 800-900 hrs a year is going to be normal now for the next 20+ years. I love flying but in 20 years will I be able to bust out 800-900 hrs? I would rather try and get some cash behind me now reinvest it and then live off the benefits they make and hopefully go part time somewhere so I fly for the love of flying. The Middle East is not the answer to everything but I know guys saving 5k a month, but I also know guys who have the latest Range Rover, LV bags for misses etc etc just loving the life they have at this point in time.
I have ranted enough and deviated off the magenta line but just putting my thoughts on the whole matter out there.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 18:40
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
Ok. All Figures are in QAR but you paid in USD.
Base Pay 22575
Housing 13000
Utilities 300
Transport 1500
Flight Pay based on 70hrs 7280
Mobile 33
Total 44688
$12341 a month
Ok if you use there accommodation take 13000 gives 31688 or $8751.
So you would be approx 9400 or 6725 a month. Ok I admit I am using my situation in the figures in the fact I live in UK and wouldn't live in a tax haven and commute to the UK. To earn 9400 a month paying UK tax I would have to be on nearly 200k a year.
People will now say high living costs in Middle East etc etc horrible life but honestly 5 years and you can make a lot of money. I know guys who have done it and guys who are doing it.
There are several issue with the pay at Qatar (and I talk from experience having spent 3.5 years there). Firstly the housing allowance you will never see they will put you in company accommodation and only pay the allowance if the choose to or need to, if you rent privately 13,000 is not enough so you will be loosing even more of your pay. I have long argued that this is dead money and people have rightly pointed out that if you are considering a like for like comparison then you need to consider UK housing costs. My mortgage costs me 1500 a month here or 18000 a year (far less than to rent a small apartment in Qatar), the difference being my house makes far more than that annually in appreciation, so in effect my house is an investment that does not exist in Qatar (remember non nationals are not allowed to buy property in Qatar)

So forget the housing and you are left with 8700 dollars a month which under current exchange rates is a lot of money, but they are at historic lows! A figure closer to 1.5 or 1.6 dollars to the pound are far more representative of the past decade. At those levels it brings your take home closer to 5000 a month, which was about what I was making. Now 5k a month is only slightly more than most BA FOs are making and the difference in living conditions are beyond comparison. To put it nicely Qatar is a boiling hot hell hole full of desperate and greedy individuals, it is an incredibly unpleasant place to live and 6k a month is not even close to a worth while amount.

The head line figures look very appealing but dig a little deeper and remove post Brexit exchange rates and actually things are not so great.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 21:07
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I agree rent is dead money, I rented for years in London however you can have the company accommodation and pump the rest of your money to UK paying off your mortgage, that's what my mate does and I would do the same. My mortgage is the same as yours and I live in a 2 bed flat 80 sqm plus have to pay ground rent and a ridiculous amount of council tax.
As I said the ME isn't the answer but for me I have always hated UK weather probably because I spent a lot of time in the Med winters are brutal to me. I think UK tax system is a joke. For us we just don't see a good future in the UK.

PS We don't live in central London we are zone 5, wouldn't want to live further out. Countryside is nice to visit but I don't know how people live there.
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