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Old 20th Jan 2019, 17:31
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Thanks to Eddie, Foss, airmission, and wiggy, as I suspected, just couldnít find the relevant reference!
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 20:06
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing View Post


as far as I can tell no. Because you need to ATPL
to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break.
What about the L3 VS people? They were all MPLs with frozen atpls?
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 21:04
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I honestly don’t have an issue with anyone leaving BA. Crack on! Everyone has different situations and needs and if somewhere else ticks the boxes then go for it! BA is neither better or worse than Easy - it’s impossible to make that distinction for everyone because everyone wants something different.

What I would say is that lots of people leaving is a good thing because the one thing management understand is a rise in training and recruitment costs and so that can only help improve t&c in the long term to promote retention.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 02:01
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Originally Posted by louelle100 View Post
What about the L3 VS people? They were all MPLs with frozen atpls?
Thatís a question for someone from VS, possibly in a VS thread. As far as BA are concerned any non ATPL on longhaul fleets would have a restriction placed on their flying duties because the Ops manual states they can not operate as Acting Pilot-in-Command.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:38
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I guess as far as VS are concerned, you can't all be APIC.

VS MPL didn't work though, they're doing line training at EZY now and going back to VS after they have a couple years experience
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 22:50
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Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer View Post
I guess as far as VS are concerned, you can't all be APIC.

VS MPL didn't work though, they're doing line training at EZY now and going back to VS after they have a couple years experience
An expensive mistake for VS perhaps! Recruiting MPL direct onto a LH fleet(A330) looks good to the Accountants, low salary pilots etc. But only a couple of route sectors/ landings a month with a Training Capt. surely won’t work, and ties up your Training staff for a long time. Good work if you can get it though on almost continuous Caribbean trips. Apparently none of the VS MPL recruits are checked out yet as P2 after two years or so. So transferred to EZY with VS paying the salaries.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 07:11
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Not quite correct Cessnapete. Course 1 is out on the line, albeit after about 100 sectors of line training. Course 2-5 is at or off to Easy for a year or so which was probably the most sensible decision made in relation to VS’s dabble into the Cadet world.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 09:53
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An important info for people living abroad and thinking about applying for BA and commuting:

BA has recently published a guidance regarding Brexit. As a commuter not living in the UK, according to this guidance and a risk assessment done by BA, only EU nationals who live in the UK will keep their rights to work in the UK after March 29th in case there is no deal...

My advise would be to look elsewhere. Commuting is a pain, the british government is unstable, company is being annoying with commutes, conditions are like the braking action in Moscow in the middle of the winter: medium to poor!

By the way just to put things in perspective, AF pilots just got a 4.7% payrise on top of the 4% that have been given already to all employees at the end of last year, so basically a 8.7% payrise for our French legacy airline pilot colleagues!
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 10:42
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Originally Posted by Pulluptoga View Post
An important info for people living abroad and thinking about applying for BA and commuting:

BA has recently published a guidance regarding Brexit. As a commuter not living in the UK, according to this guidance and a risk assessment done by BA, only EU nationals who live in the UK will keep their rights to work in the UK after March 29th in case there is no deal...
I’m not sure that is a “given” ..yet....but the situation is highly complex and from what I have seen and heard, e.g. via yammer I suspect the company are scratching around to provide a definitive answer....for info and background have a look at this:

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/free-movement-no-deal/

I certainly agree things are almost certainly about to get much more complicated for any EU27 nationals, as for your other points, yes, inclined to agree.



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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:37
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IAA - CAA Licence Transfer

Hi all,

I've got a start date soon but I'm worried my IAA licence isn't going to be transferred to a CAA one in time. Does anyone have recent experience with this? Any estimate for how long the entire process took for you? Apparently the CAA have got over 2000 licences they're trying to convert before March 29th thanks to the B-word.

Apparently BA can send the CAA a 'request to expedite' email, has anyone tried this?

Is it absolutely required to have the CAA licence on day 1? Or is it possible to continue with training up to maybe the final sim (LST) check?

Any help appreciated. Feel free to PM.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 12:02
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Originally Posted by cBoxMungo View Post
Hi all,

I've got a start date soon but I'm worried my IAA licence isn't going to be transferred to a CAA one in time. Does anyone have recent experience with this? Any estimate for how long the entire process took for you? Apparently the CAA have got over 2000 licences they're trying to convert before March 29th thanks to the B-word.

Apparently BA can send the CAA a 'request to expedite' email, has anyone tried this?

Is it absolutely required to have the CAA licence on day 1? Or is it possible to continue with training up to maybe the final sim (LST) check?

Any help appreciated. Feel free to PM.
The expedite request worked well for me, although this was a few years ago. Iím pretty sure as you said you would just need the licence in hand by the LST.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 16:59
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Originally Posted by JulietSierra6 View Post


The expedite request worked well for me, although this was a few years ago. Iím pretty sure as you said you would just need the licence in hand by the LST.
PMed mate
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 18:31
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post
This is a concern if I'm successful with the final stages.. current employer is forcing us all to the IAA away from the British License and if I'm successful I'm not sure on the time line or post brexit situation of getting my uk one back!
Standing by to be corrected but I thought U.K. government had said it would continue to recognise ďEU licencesĒ, certainly in the event of a negotiated Brexit.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 19:26
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


Standing by to be corrected but I thought U.K. government had said it would continue to recognise ďEU licencesĒ, certainly in the event of a negotiated Brexit.
They have said that but some companies arenít taking the risk. I donít think itís guaranteed yet and the CAA are still working on it. So Iíve been told anyway.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 19:30
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Originally Posted by pudoc View Post


They have said that but some companies arenít taking the risk. I donít think itís guaranteed yet and the CAA are still working on it. So Iíve been told anyway.
Understandable given the circumstances (whatever they turn out to be )
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 22:23
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Was invited to an assessment (777/787 DEP) and given the opportunity to schedule an appointment. When I however tried to book that assessment, no available dates were shown. In fact, the page is basically blank. Does anybody else experience this issue?
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 09:57
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Originally Posted by lansen View Post
Was invited to an assessment (777/787 DEP) and given the opportunity to schedule an appointment. When I however tried to book that assessment, no available dates were shown. In fact, the page is basically blank. Does anybody else experience this issue?
i have the exact same issue. I thought it was a browser issue so I downloaded google chrome but apparently you just have to keep refreshing the screen at 9am for newly released slots a friend told me? Seems a bit poor to me so was thinking to phone and check.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 10:13
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It's completely normal, they usually email you once or twice a week around 9am saying "we've released new dates". When you get that e-mail they'll all be gone within hours so be quick.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 14:42
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Hello there,

Anyone here doing the BA simulator assessment soon wanting to go in a sim with an instructor before to get ready ? So we can split the costs ?

PM me if interested.

Thanks a lot.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 19:34
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Originally Posted by papajulietpapa View Post
Hello there,

Anyone here doing the BA simulator assessment soon wanting to go in a sim with an instructor before to get ready ? So we can split the costs ?

PM me if interested.

Thanks a lot.
Tried messaging you, but your inbox seems to be full.
Which fleet are you applying for?
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