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Old 19th Jan 2019, 16:48
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley View Post
MikeAlpha
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You might find that Easy Pilots had those sort of questions when they first started FRMS - what it must be 15 years ago? probably when you were still at school?
I'm sure Easy do look at commuting and BA are quiet correct in asking you - just look at Crew Members Responsibilities if not.
BA have just started down the FRMS it was only a few years ago the normal comment was "there is no fatigue at BA" . So its early doors when you get what seem like daft questions when you come from Easy which has a mature FRMS (and it was only a few years ago they came under a lot of flack from BALPA about FRMS)

Mr Angry, I am aware of crew members responsibilities. I have a short, driving commute. BA are being particularly invasive and trying to make commuters adhere to unpublished rules and rules which they will then break themselves. People are being contacted by management about their commute but with no actual adherence to disciplinary procedure- surely you can see why that is frustrating?

Hence my point about BA being behind EJ wrt SH. I appreciate guys/girls/union at easy had to endure that attitude to fatigue but it doesn't mean that BA should plead ignorance. The foundations have been laid elsewhere, its no excuse to be 15 years behind.

Not sure why school comment is relevant (or indeed accurate)
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 20:25
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Originally Posted by Up North Like View Post
How devalued has the term 'legacy' actually become? If legacy means working 6 days on and 1/2 days off then I'll take Liverpool! Or how about working 5/3/5/4 at a regional base with decent days out and manageable hours, but without the hat and tie pin of course.

Delusional Speed Freek
That's assuming you can get into your regional base of choice. How is Bristol, Liverpool, Belfast or any of the Scottish bases looking? Still dead man's shoes? Maybe you meant Portugal and the award winning contract.

5453 was amazing. So amazing everyone goes part time and ends up FRV. I have even heard of FOs on the 75% contract staying part time because they prefer the reduced levels of work over fixed roster patterns.

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Old 20th Jan 2019, 10:54
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Originally Posted by Up North Like View Post
How devalued has the term 'legacy' actually become? If legacy means working 6 days on and 1/2 days off then I'll take Liverpool! Or how about working 5/3/5/4 at a regional base with decent days out and manageable hours, but without the hat and tie pin of course.

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Just starting my 7 on/2 off with our legacy carrier.....
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 14:55
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I've been asked a question by a potential new joiner that I dont have the answer to:

Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence?
She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type
with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)".

But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered?
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 15:28
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Originally Posted by kendrick47247 View Post
I've been asked a question by a potential new joiner that I dont have the answer to:

Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence?
She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type
with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)".

But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered?
as far as I can tell no. Because you need to ATPL
to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 15:30
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing View Post


as far as I can tell no. Because you need to ATPL
to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break.
Just as I thought; thanks for clarifying
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 16:50
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing View Post


as far as I can tell no. Because you need to ATPL
to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break.
Correct. OM-D refers. Full ATPL(A) required for APIC duties on A380/B777/787/747 types. Iíd imagine that to be the case for A350 conversions too.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 16:58
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Originally Posted by kendrick47247 View Post
I've been asked a question by a potential new joiner that I dont have the answer to:

Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence?
She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type
with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)".

But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered?
I have a frozen atpl and was offered 787 about two months ago if that helps.

I think it more depends on your experience, type etc, as I know another guy that was offered SH and was told they couldnít consider him for long haul.

It could be that they unfreeze people during the training?
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 17:06
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People with frozen ATPLs have been offered LH positions, on the basis that they have the hours prior to joining the airline and then the LST completed during the TR to unfreeze the ATPL.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 17:13
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TAM beat me to it ....I don’t want to do a cut and paste from the relevant source but I’ll offer this, which may or may not help....

Managed Path/DEPs can begin a conversion course with a CPL (A) only if they have the hours to upgrade to an ATPL(A). By the time they reach the final line check they must be able to present a full ATPL(A)...




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Old 20th Jan 2019, 17:31
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Thanks to Eddie, Foss, airmission, and wiggy, as I suspected, just couldnít find the relevant reference!
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 20:06
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing View Post


as far as I can tell no. Because you need to ATPL
to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break.
What about the L3 VS people? They were all MPLs with frozen atpls?
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 21:04
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I honestly don’t have an issue with anyone leaving BA. Crack on! Everyone has different situations and needs and if somewhere else ticks the boxes then go for it! BA is neither better or worse than Easy - it’s impossible to make that distinction for everyone because everyone wants something different.

What I would say is that lots of people leaving is a good thing because the one thing management understand is a rise in training and recruitment costs and so that can only help improve t&c in the long term to promote retention.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 02:01
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Originally Posted by louelle100 View Post
What about the L3 VS people? They were all MPLs with frozen atpls?
Thatís a question for someone from VS, possibly in a VS thread. As far as BA are concerned any non ATPL on longhaul fleets would have a restriction placed on their flying duties because the Ops manual states they can not operate as Acting Pilot-in-Command.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:38
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I guess as far as VS are concerned, you can't all be APIC.

VS MPL didn't work though, they're doing line training at EZY now and going back to VS after they have a couple years experience
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 22:50
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Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer View Post
I guess as far as VS are concerned, you can't all be APIC.

VS MPL didn't work though, they're doing line training at EZY now and going back to VS after they have a couple years experience
An expensive mistake for VS perhaps! Recruiting MPL direct onto a LH fleet(A330) looks good to the Accountants, low salary pilots etc. But only a couple of route sectors/ landings a month with a Training Capt. surely won’t work, and ties up your Training staff for a long time. Good work if you can get it though on almost continuous Caribbean trips. Apparently none of the VS MPL recruits are checked out yet as P2 after two years or so. So transferred to EZY with VS paying the salaries.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 07:11
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Not quite correct Cessnapete. Course 1 is out on the line, albeit after about 100 sectors of line training. Course 2-5 is at or off to Easy for a year or so which was probably the most sensible decision made in relation to VS’s dabble into the Cadet world.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 09:53
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An important info for people living abroad and thinking about applying for BA and commuting:

BA has recently published a guidance regarding Brexit. As a commuter not living in the UK, according to this guidance and a risk assessment done by BA, only EU nationals who live in the UK will keep their rights to work in the UK after March 29th in case there is no deal...

My advise would be to look elsewhere. Commuting is a pain, the british government is unstable, company is being annoying with commutes, conditions are like the braking action in Moscow in the middle of the winter: medium to poor!

By the way just to put things in perspective, AF pilots just got a 4.7% payrise on top of the 4% that have been given already to all employees at the end of last year, so basically a 8.7% payrise for our French legacy airline pilot colleagues!
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 10:42
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Originally Posted by Pulluptoga View Post
An important info for people living abroad and thinking about applying for BA and commuting:

BA has recently published a guidance regarding Brexit. As a commuter not living in the UK, according to this guidance and a risk assessment done by BA, only EU nationals who live in the UK will keep their rights to work in the UK after March 29th in case there is no deal...
I’m not sure that is a “given” ..yet....but the situation is highly complex and from what I have seen and heard, e.g. via yammer I suspect the company are scratching around to provide a definitive answer....for info and background have a look at this:

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/free-movement-no-deal/

I certainly agree things are almost certainly about to get much more complicated for any EU27 nationals, as for your other points, yes, inclined to agree.



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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:37
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IAA - CAA Licence Transfer

Hi all,

I've got a start date soon but I'm worried my IAA licence isn't going to be transferred to a CAA one in time. Does anyone have recent experience with this? Any estimate for how long the entire process took for you? Apparently the CAA have got over 2000 licences they're trying to convert before March 29th thanks to the B-word.

Apparently BA can send the CAA a 'request to expedite' email, has anyone tried this?

Is it absolutely required to have the CAA licence on day 1? Or is it possible to continue with training up to maybe the final sim (LST) check?

Any help appreciated. Feel free to PM.
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