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Old 29th Nov 2018, 20:54
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Can't comment on which type they use these days. However I can comment on the first bit. Don't believe those people. There is no truth in it what so ever. Even looking from an economic point of view, the assessment isn't cheap for BA. Why let people go through all the stages of the selection if they only want rated people to save costs while we need people ASAP. I guess for those who unfortunately didn't make the grade this time around it is easier to blame it on the system.

During the assessment they will verify the earlier assessment stages (your personality), see how you interact with your colleague and lastly how quickly you can learn new things.

From what I remember when I did it, it is hard work however the instructors are going the extra mile to make it as pleasant as possible.

Good luck!!!
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 22:54
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Originally Posted by VOR.DME View Post
At a risk of going off topic from the above, does anyone have any details regarding the Stage 3 process? I've got a date booked and have heard from a number of people who have been through the process (those who gained successful offers were already rated on a type in the current BA fleet, those who were unsuccessful were rated on other ac types).

Also, with the 767 now retired, will the process still be conducted In the 767 sim for the foreseeable?

Any clarification appreciated.

Thanks everyone!
I am not rated and so was my buddy during the assesment. We both passed and got offered a starting date (sim was nov 24 and we got a starting date offered today so there isnt really a holdpool at the moment). If you have a rating or not does not matter. It is a very fair sim assessment in a relaxed atmosphere. For now the sim assesment is still done on the 767. I also did it on the 767. Mainly because that one is/was most available. The assessor said BA was trying to sell it, but failed to do so due to lack of interest. So it could change at any stage in the next few months I guess. Better study all pitch settings ;-).
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 23:23
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Not involved in that area but have been in TBC a fair bit lately, the 767 sim has been chocca with assessments.

It was being sold but that fell through and tbh BAFT are making an absolute fortune selling it to third parties. I believe itíll be the default sim assessment tool for the foreseeable while the 747 sims are busy with conversions.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 11:30
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
...and back to pay and those who were asking about any possible rises in the near future...hot off the press, this is from a joint union statement (from BALPA plus UNITE plus the GMB) released earlier today:

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The joint unions are therefore seeking to agree the following increases: RPI+1.75% (or 5% if higher) from 1-Jan-19; RPI+1.5% from 1-Jan-20 and RPI+1.25% from 1-Jan-21.

We also believe BA is able to give staff a much larger share in the success of the business, aligning the interests of the company, its shareholders and staff. To achieve this aim, the joint unions are seeking to agree (i) an enhanced, all-employee profit-sharing scheme based on a pot equivalent to 7% of BAís annual operating profit per year and (ii) the introduction of a voluntary sharesave scheme.

....Ē

They'll be over-run with applications with news of our wopping pay rise (well the ambitious starting point, anyway )
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 11:52
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Originally Posted by MikeAlpha320 View Post
They'll be over-run with applications with news of our wopping pay rise (well the ambitious starting point, anyway )

Agreed. It'll depend what can be negotiated bonus wise but tbh I'd rather just have to cash in my pay rather than have a bonus linked to figures that can be manipulated.

The backstop of 5% is OK but fairly unambitious given our current unprecedented levels of profitability. I'd have gone in at 10% with a view to being chipped down a bit to 7% or so. Given the rapid deterioration in our fundamental t's and c's over the last few years I'm more concerned what the company are going to make BALPA give away in return. That said, there are limited big ticket items left to go for.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 15:11
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The 767 sim will be kept and used up until the point we need another sim bay - they already have started installing the 350 sim, so nothing on the imminent horizon
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 07:02
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Has anyone any idea when DEP will open up again for applications ?
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 17:06
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How will LEVEL coming to Gatwick affect things there??
Routes, a/c based and crew??
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 17:38
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You appear to know something we donít...
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 18:03
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The paranoia around Level is both unmerited and unbelievable. The premium cabins of the “beach fleet” are almost always packed and make BA (/IAG) an absolute fortune. Rhetorical question on the way, why are IAG going to destroy all that yield and cannibalise BA simply to give punters cheap tickets and thus reduce their profit margin significantly? Last time I checked businesses were in operation to make money not to be charities..
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 08:28
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BA are continuing to focus on the commutes to work of pilots. More pilots were contacted by management last week about their journey time during an audit completed in April. BA seem to be going beyond EASA rules and requiring pilots to have a minimum of 8 hours rest in a hotel room before report, even if they travel to an airport hotel on their day off before starting a duty day.

Once BA management start a drive towards a goal they generally get what they want in the end. It potentially means more time away from home if you live more than about 2 hours from LHR. Think carefully about how this may impact you in the long term. The practicality of being able to comfortably fly for BA whilst living wherever you choose is under threat, particularly for junior pilots.

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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 09:07
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Pickled, do you know what maximum commute time BA have decided on?
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 09:21
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I’d very much second what Pickled has posted..all of it.

When the company decided to audit commuting earlier this year the stated intent was supposedly to stop those “who took the p***” (e.g. commuting overnight immediately prior to a Longhaul report) and according to most sources (union and even one or two management) those who indulged in sensible travel arrangements would have nothing to worry about...


Unfortunately it now seems the company, having now got a mechanism in place to monitor in minute detail aircrew “commuting” by staff travel are going back through the data and now some on short haul are being clobbered. It appears BA management have been ringing up and interrogating anyone up who they suspect might have flown into base by staff travel (e.g. in an evening) and then might have had marginally less than 8 hours available in a room for rest prior to a shorthaul report (e.g.the next A.M.).

do you know what maximum commute time BA have decided on?
I gather a short haul pilot who had a nominal < 1 hour drive into LHR but who allowed himself 90 minutes on occasions to be safe was told by management that if his journey really took 90 minutes he ought to consider taking a hotel at base between duty days.

As Pickled says, once BA management get their teeth into something, and get an agenda, they keep screwing things down as far as they can.....so at interview the answer is “ ......living in Hounslow, Longford or Colnbrook”

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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 09:26
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Thats a good question skaterboi. A pilot on LH reserve is allowed 2 hours to reach the car park, that would seem a reasonable start point. There may be a notice from BA soon clarifying their expectations.

It must be very hard to determine rules because we are all different. Many believe that being a passenger on a shorthaul flight to LHR is a heck of a lot less stressful than driving on the M25, fighting to find a car park space within BA’s creaking parking system and then taking a bus to the report centre.

This has been a “grey” area, allowing each pilot to determine whether his/her journey allowed them to report for work sufficiently rested to able to fulfill their legal obligations. That is similar to ensuring adequate rest is taken during the day before a night flight (no matter what pressures might exist at home), or determining whether fit enough to operate, or whether fatigued.

It would seem that BA now feel required to be much more specific about journey times to work.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 09:57
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But it doesnít trouble them quite so much if youíre on a night stop and donít get eight hours. Just sayiní.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Tay Cough View Post
But it doesn’t trouble them quite so much if you’re on a night stop and don’t get eight hours. Just sayin’.
I know, similar for a night flight/day stop/night flight......

It’s been educational (putting it politely) seeing the effort that seems to have gone into micro monitoring and micro managing potential rest time at base outside of company time.

They’ll be insisting flight crew wear Fitbits 24/7 before long...



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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 11:28
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Ultimately it’s unenforceable. They have no way to monitor which hotel room you have stayed in, the Premier Inn, Ibis, take your pick are not going to release information to BA of room bookings and when you arrived/checked in therefore you can tell them what they want to hear, they have no facility or ability to check. Let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill folks.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 11:41
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
Ultimately itís unenforceable. They have no way to monitor which hotel room you have stayed in, the Premier Inn, Ibis, take your pick are not going to release information to BA of room bookings and when you arrived/checked in therefore you can tell them what they want to hear, they have no facility or ability to check. Letís not make a mountain out of a molehill folks.
That maybe but the whole continuing saga is indicative of the ďBA wayĒ and certainly something to be aware of.

Iíd agree that management canít track hotel rooms but from what I have heard they are looking at the time the inbound flight arrived, next days report time, making an assumption about travel time to/from accommodation and if it is less than the magic number then phone calls have resulted.

Of course if you use surface transport or fly in with an operator other than BA .........



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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 11:59
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Exactly Wiggy and that, coupled with some ultra hardcore driving commutes (Iím aware of crew and not just cabin crew driving down from Manchester same day for an early LHR report) makes a mockery of the whole thing. Easyjet staff travel a very precious commodity nowadays.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 14:18
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DEP opening again anytime soon? Anyone heard any rumours or have any idea?
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