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From: The Winchester
Do you know many long tours were to be had and were the long tours restricted by any inhibitors?
If there aren’t many and there weren’t subject to an inhibitor then I guess they’ve been corralled by the senior guys....one of the potential pitfalls of JSS “as is”....
(For those not into the language “inhibiters” are restrictions placed into JSS that effect certain trips (e.g. Singapore,) to prevent a handful of senior individuals getting all the plum work..e.g. stop somebody bidding for 3 or 4 Singapore’s in a month. )
If there aren’t many and there weren’t subject to an inhibitor then I guess they’ve been corralled by the senior guys....one of the potential pitfalls of JSS “as is”....
(For those not into the language “inhibiters” are restrictions placed into JSS that effect certain trips (e.g. Singapore,) to prevent a handful of senior individuals getting all the plum work..e.g. stop somebody bidding for 3 or 4 Singapore’s in a month. )
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From: Botswana
We just got our first look into what JSS has got to offer us when it is introduced in January. It has pretty much resulted in the worse possible roster I could possibly imagine being a SH commuter. Being in the top third of the SH bidding group (over 75% behind me) I bid for tours as long as possible. No other criteria, not bothered about weekends, lates or earlies. Got given a roster by JSS consisting of only 2 day trips, all the other longer tours have as reason i didn't get allocated it "Given to more senior crew member".
Just a warning of what to expect of the new bidding system.
Just a warning of what to expect of the new bidding system.
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From: The Winchester
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From: The Winchester
1. Those formerly at the top of BA BALPA decided to effectively combine a vote on a rostering system with a vote on an element of our pay.....I have to say that IMHO was not that BACC’s finest hour.
2. The membership then voted .....
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From: UK
Just checked out the JSS yammer. 6 trips/ 2 days off plus leave on the dry run type thing.
Reading the Yammer comments is very similar to reading those now famous amazon reviews of using “Veet for men” on your gentleman vegetables.
Wonder of the lack lack of participation affected that or if the AI is doing exactly as the AI would do (I think calling it intelligent probably a stretch)?
Reading the Yammer comments is very similar to reading those now famous amazon reviews of using “Veet for men” on your gentleman vegetables.
Wonder of the lack lack of participation affected that or if the AI is doing exactly as the AI would do (I think calling it intelligent probably a stretch)?
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From: Hundred Acre Wood
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From: Europe
67% behind me indeed.
All the rosters are now published internally. The junior guys on LH and especially the B777 are getting absolutely hammered, really do feel sorry for them. Those rosters are just pure evil and unbearable (6,7 and even 8 trips a month).
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From: Botswana
Reading Yammer it reminds me very much of the South Park “The Human CentiPad” episode mocking Apple’s Terms and Conditions (and the lack of reading thereof before clicking agree) whereby the users are turned into a Human Centipede (it was in the small print) with Steve Jobs, unable to comprehend the discomfort and dissatisfaction of those people now stitched together, forcefully and scornfully making the point to them that “you agreed to this!!!”
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From: UK
Reading Yammer it reminds me very much of the South Park “The Human CentiPad” episode mocking Apple’s Terms and Conditions (and the lack of reading thereof before clicking agree) whereby the users are turned into a Human Centipede (it was in the small print) with Steve Jobs, unable to comprehend the discomfort and dissatisfaction of those people now stitched together, forcefully and scornfully making the point to them that “you agreed to this!!!”
ha ha!like I say put me in mind of the veet reviews. For example this one pasted from amazon. I found that the letters “JSS” and “roster” could be comfortably substituted into the review and it still bared a striking resemblance to the comments on yammer . Particularly heeding the lesson regarding the rules. Indulge me if you will...
“Being a loose cannon who does not play by the rules the first thing I did was ignore the warning and smear JSS all over my (unmentionables). The rosters I knew and loved are gone now. In their place is a maroon coloured bag of agony which sends stabs of pain up my body every time it grazes against my thigh or an article of clothing. I am suffering so that you don't have to. Heed my lesson. “
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From: UK
Looking at the dry run rosters it is quite amazing. Never have I seen such a clear change as you scroll down the seniority. If you scroll fast it’s actually like a flick book animation with more and more work blocks appearing per line and the credit going towards 100 hours the further down the lines you get. The 777 and 747 really illustrate this.
looks like it should be renamed STAABRS - six trip and a bit rostering system or JFS - junior fatigue system.
Now, keeping ones hair on for a second, I don’t know how accurate all this dry run stuff is compared to what it’ll be like when everyone is involved. Also, I think even BA will recognise allow that kind of run rate to go on and they’ll have an issue with crews dropping off the operational perch pretty quickly and in large order. So as bad as it looks on the dry runs, the actual product might be different (says searching for optimism). I hope so anyway!
looks like it should be renamed STAABRS - six trip and a bit rostering system or JFS - junior fatigue system.
Now, keeping ones hair on for a second, I don’t know how accurate all this dry run stuff is compared to what it’ll be like when everyone is involved. Also, I think even BA will recognise allow that kind of run rate to go on and they’ll have an issue with crews dropping off the operational perch pretty quickly and in large order. So as bad as it looks on the dry runs, the actual product might be different (says searching for optimism). I hope so anyway!
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From: england
With any luck, the fatigue levels will go through the roof. It needs hundreds of pilots to go fatigued as it’s only when BA start cancelling flights due to shortages will they recruit more. I’m astounded at how many pilots soldier on flying 5 or more trips a month. On long haul, that would probable mean 5 nights out of bed without any sleep. Is that really how we should be operating aircraft in the 21st century? 2 pilots across the Atlantic overnight, without any rest? Controlled rest doesn’t really cut it i’m afraid.
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From: somewhere between Miami and Havana
Hunter - with very rare exception, each flight for me is 2 nights out of bed.
Cheers
Buter
PS - Damn, just hit 100 posts! Took 15 years. Time to move on, I guess.
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From: Netherlands
Disclaimer: it’s rumour and appearantly very fluid at the moment.
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From: South of the North pole
Application response
Yes, Captain within 18 month is possible. Latest rumours are everyone who has bid for a LGW command in 2019 will get it. LHR transfer as a FO is no problem, in fact you can probably tell them you’d prefer LHR and start there. LHR Captain is harder as you will need the seniority for a LHR command. Latest rumours for LHR command is ~3500 on a ~4350 pilot workforce.
Disclaimer: it’s rumour and appearantly very fluid at the moment.
I applied as NTR FO but as experienced pilot with jet time and over 5000 hours.
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From: England
Anybody know how long it is taking after the initial online application to get an interview, providing one is successful with the online assessment? I applied about 10 days ago and wondering how long it could roughly take.
I applied as NTR FO but as experienced pilot with jet time and over 5000 hours.
I applied as NTR FO but as experienced pilot with jet time and over 5000 hours.
