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Old 8th Oct 2018, 21:37
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I am mid thirties with young kids and been having doubts. I think I might be too old to take full advantage of a career with BA.

I have been bit later to aviation than some, career change guy, or my other plan with my age is to just go to EK for 10 years be flogged to death then come back and go EZY or someone like that.

I would love to try long haul, and hope if i get in to BA I can try it. From what I gather itís possible to go to LH and if itís not for you go back to SH? Obviously not straight away.

Im at a crossroad just weighing up options.

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Old 9th Oct 2018, 01:54
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
I am mid thirties with young kids and been having doubts. I think I might be too old to take full advantage of a career with BA.

I have been bit later to aviation than some, career change guy, or my other plan with my age is to just go to EK for 10 years be flogged to death then come back and go EZY or someone like that.

I would love to try long haul, and hope if i get in to BA I can try it. From what I gather itís possible to go to LH and if itís not for you go back to SH? Obviously not straight away.

Im at a crossroad just weighing up options.

Go through the application process if youíre interested, brother. You ainít got a decision to make until you get offered a job.

You may get offered long haul or short haul, depending on what theyíre short of on the day. Apparently, at the moment, you get offered a job once and once only. Your choice.

if you accept a seat on one of our fleets you will be there for for 5 years unless the company wants to move you. That includes long haul back to short haul.

EK for 10 years? You outta your fíing mind?

Best of luck, dude!

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Old 9th Oct 2018, 02:03
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Originally Posted by Pickled View Post
Rex, scheduling reps have confirmed that under JSS a pilot on an 85% part time contract could still do 5 x Lagos (or Accra or Kuwait or similar trips) per month. Thats a fact.

Take a look at the 747-400 rosters, some pilots are already flying more than 6 trips a month. Shocking but true. No wonder sickness and fatigue reports are rocketing...one day the company may even acknowledge that a floating body clock and multiple night out of bed seriously affects a pilot's health, short term and long term.
Could you please email me the screenshots of the 744 pilots doing 6+ trips, sir?

Regards

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3.5.4.3, by the way...

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Old 9th Oct 2018, 07:03
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Originally Posted by Buter View Post

Could you please email me the screenshots of the 744 pilots doing 6+ trips, sir?

Regards

Buter

3.5.4.3, by the way...


’Morning Buter...good to finally meet you in person the other week ..

The coffee hasn’t kicked in yet so I may be resistant to detail but a quick 1 minute skim read of iBid final rosters shows at least one 744 P1 with 6 trips completely contained within October, though the individual is so far above CAP they may have deliberately loaded their line up or have been RA’d. It certainly looks like Bidline rule 3.5.4.3 hasn’t been “deployed” or wasn’t in play for some reason.

Even if it’s the case that you don’t ever have to do a 6 trip month there are certainly some who do and for many 5 trips will be the norm on at least some of the Longhaul Fleets, which I suspect may come as a surprise to a few of our readers and prospective joiners.

ATB..


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Old 9th Oct 2018, 09:07
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5 trips and two sim days for me Iím the latest bid. Without the sim, that line was a few minutes over CAP. That particular rule not in play sadly, Buter.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 09:19
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I met a junior 747 Captain the other day who claimed to have done 17 trips in a row with just 2 days off between each trip!
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 12:02
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Scanning down just the first 36 names on the 747 captain's status list there are 3 pilots with 6 whole trips in October (one of those also has an additional carry in trip). There is also one with 5 complete trips and 2 days in the sim.
Many of those 36 pilots are part time.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 12:03
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Bex88 said:

On top of that three months of the year you will be on reserve so are at the companies back (sic) and call for 28 days at 2hrs notice.
Just to clarify, the first 7 days of the 28 days reserve are normally ‘fixed days off’. One can elect to work during those days (excepting the final two) but BA can not assign any trips.

NG708: I was 42 when I joined BA, having had 10 years in GA and 10 years in 737 UK Charter Ops (including 8 years in command). I joined onto the 747 fleet and spent 14 happy years there. Then 5 years A320 LHS and now LHS on the 787.

As my BA experience spans the last 20 years, it’s difficult to give advice because the situation is now different but I just wanted to point out that it worked for me.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 12:21
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
I am mid thirties with young kids and been having doubts. I think I might be too old to take full advantage of a career with BA.

I have been bit later to aviation than some, career change guy, or my other plan with my age is to just go to EK for 10 years be flogged to death then come back and go EZY or someone like that.

I would love to try long haul, and hope if i get in to BA I can try it. From what I gather itís possible to go to LH and if itís not for you go back to SH? Obviously not straight away.

Im at a crossroad just weighing up options.

It is likely that someone joining BA in their mid-thirties could have a good career at BA. That should allow enough time to gain a long haul command by about age 55...as ever it is impossible to predict the future, but historically that would be about the time frame. BA still offers security of employment and a stable lifestyle. It will be damn hard work with a lot of time away from home with people you do not know. It may also become a practical requirement to live within 90 minutes journey time to work. Pressure to cut costs may lead to the BA package becoming ever more "market competitive" rather than "market leading."

It would normally be necessary to stay 5 years in long haul before going to short haul if long haul does not work for you. An exception may be made if you can make a strong case to move earlier or if it is in BA's interests. Overall BA pilot managers have normally been very reasonable and considerate, but the whole company is under constant pressure to continuously cut costs.

Good luck with your decision.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 14:09
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320 course in January

Hey guys and girls, just wondering if thereís anyone on here thatís starting the 320 typerating on the 7th of Jan? Weíre trying to get a watsapp group going before the whole thing starts. Send me a pm if you want.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 16:28
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Ladies and Gents, speaking as someone who is in the current DEP recruiting round, I'd like to say thanks for the all the posted info, even if it does make for slightly depressing reading. I'm early 40s, soon to be ex Mil and am now wondering whether BA is not going to give me the life/work balance I'm after, especially as money is not the be all and end all.

I have a solid job offer with a stable 6 on, 5 off roster. I now have a lot of thinking to do as to whether BA is the answer I thought it once was.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 16:54
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Skaterboi.

I am ex military and an ex turboprop driver and joined BA SH 3 years ago at age 46. I can honestly say it is the easiest gig I have ever had.

Yes I fly with people who are 15 years younger than me, but thatís not an issue.

Yes I will never get a LH command but frankly It doesnít bother me, in fact I have deliberately not bid for SH command as itís about quality of life for me and I have been there and done that.

BA is not the be all and end all and it most definitely has its problems but show me somewhere that doesnít, other than the night Moscow you can count on the fingers of one hand the number of SH flights that are still airborne after 2330 so thatís a massive plus in my mind, the fact you actually get off the aircraft to explore the city you are in is also a massive plus to me. The biggest plus of all is the ability to move fleets and reinvigorate the job.

there are always people who are unhappy, it goes with the territory, I believe you could put pilots in a bar and give them free beer and a free lap dance and we, as a group, would complain because itís bitter not lager and a brunette not a blonde, there are 4200 pilots at BA and I canít believe more than 100 a year (and thatís a very generous estimate) leave for pastures new thatís about 2%, I wonder what the percentages are at other carriers?

like I say BA is not the be all and end all and it has its issues, talk to ex military mates to get a proper feel of how it is but take it from me itís perfectly easy to enjoy it as an ďolderĒ FO.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 17:21
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Has anyone here been able to rearrange the sim interview? I was due in this week but have been very ill the last few days. I called them to cancel as I thought it would be a shame to not give my best, and also unfair on the interviewer/sim partner if I was to pass something on to them. In the portal itís not giving me the option to select a new date at the moment, has anyone had a similar situation? Thanks
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 01:01
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


íMorning Buter...good to finally meet you in person the other week ..

The coffee hasnít kicked in yet so I may be resistant to detail but a quick 1 minute skim read of iBid final rosters shows at least one 744 P1 with 6 trips completely contained within October, though the individual is so far above CAP they may have deliberately loaded their line up or have been RAíd. It certainly looks like Bidline rule 3.5.4.3 hasnít been ďdeployedĒ or wasnít in play for some reason.

Even if itís the case that you donít ever have to do a 6 trip month there are certainly some who do and for many 5 trips will be the norm on at least some of the Longhaul Fleets, which I suspect may come as a surprise to a few of our readers and prospective joiners.

ATB..

Nice to meet you as well, sir.

IĎve had a look through the C744 rosters and some of them look suicide inducing. However, very few of them were in the realm of the 5 trip rule. If you look, many of the trips were picked up at stage 2, IOT or EOT. Thereís no protection, and there shouldnít be, from a pilot loading up his/her roster as much as they want.

Sooooo happy to be on the tanker...

Cheers

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Old 10th Oct 2018, 07:32
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Sooooo happy to be on the tanker...
That opens up a whole range of responses..

I’ve tried to resolve your unspoken unwritten by PM........
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 09:17
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


íMorning Buter...good to finally meet you in person the other week ..

The coffee hasnít kicked in yet so I may be resistant to detail but a quick 1 minute skim read of iBid final rosters shows at least one 744 P1 with 6 trips completely contained within October, though the individual is so far above CAP they may have deliberately loaded their line up or have been RAíd. It certainly looks like Bidline rule 3.5.4.3 hasnít been ďdeployedĒ or wasnít in play for some reason.

Even if itís the case that you donít ever have to do a 6 trip month there are certainly some who do and for many 5 trips will be the norm on at least some of the Longhaul Fleets, which I suspect may come as a surprise to a few of our readers and prospective joiners.

ATB..

Iím P2 744. Blind lined. Iíve got 5 and a half trips this month and not beyond CAP.

Just had a row of trip/2 days off/trip rolling from last month. Totally knackered. Just woke from a mammoth 13 hour coma back home after busting through my two (very loud) alarm clocks
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 09:43
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Originally Posted by Buter View Post


Nice to meet you as well, sir.

IĎve had a look through the C744 rosters and some of them look suicide inducing. However, very few of them were in the realm of the 5 trip rule. If you look, many of the trips were picked up at stage 2, IOT or EOT. Thereís no protection, and there shouldnít be, from a pilot loading up his/her roster as much as they want.

Sooooo happy to be on the tanker...

Cheers

Buter
Trust me, You donít have to plunder OT to have an eyeball busting P2 jumbo roster, theyíll offer that little service free of charge even on a blind line.

Many overlook the quality of a month isnít about the 1st to the 31st. Your body doesnít work 1st to the 31st. You can have a nice little compact rolling roster of pain from the 15th of one month to the 14th of the next and then a shockingly luxurious row of 4/5 days off block mid following month. Which by then consists of crying in a corner and sucking your thumb for the first two days
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 09:52
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Ouch...

There are some who are of the opinion that the combination of JSS and recruiting will see some relief from that sort of scheduling but TBH and very much IMHO it’s hard to see any regime run by the likes of AC taking their foot off the metaphorical throat once they’ve seen what can be enforced.

I’m very strongly of the opinion that looking ahead for many a career in BA Long Haul will only sustainable if they are able to mitigate the effects by getting onto one of the part time contracts , but that’s obviously just my POV.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 10:55
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Ouch...

There are some who are of the opinion that the combination of JSS and recruiting will see some relief from that sort of scheduling but TBH and very much IMHO it’s hard to see any regime run by the likes of AC taking their foot off the metaphorical throat once they’ve seen what can be enforced.

I’m very strongly of the opinion that looking ahead for many a career in BA Long Haul will only sustainable if they are able to mitigate the effects by getting onto one of the part time contracts , but that’s obviously just my POV.


Yup! For me it’s now black and white. No more messing about now. Beg for part time whilst I have a mull over (can’t afford it though so not a great long term option), bid for LGW (frying pan/fire?) or get the hell out of dodge. I can feel this in my body now. My time at home is now given to work. I’ve tried to be very positive about work until now. Loads of good aspects of course.. I might be paid 65k but my time “off” and health do belong to BA. I figure they’ve bought me half price




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Old 10th Oct 2018, 14:03
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Iím very strongly of the opinion that looking ahead for many a career in BA Long Haul will only sustainable if they are able to mitigate the effects by getting onto one of the part time contracts , but thatís obviously just my POV.
I believe you have hit the nail firmly on the head there Wiggy. I see people who have come to the jumbo from short haul, or have just joined from other airlines. They think it is great and say it is a breeze. I always say to them ďYep, that is because it takes about five years for the long term fatigue to really hit you, but it you it will.Ē They donít believe me, but give them five years and theyíll be begging for part time or a return to short haul because the current work rate is beyond what the human body can reasonably be expected to do.
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