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Old 30th Nov 2017, 14:52
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I don’t think it will make much difference because those who would go “stuff it” and retire at 55 or 60 are generally now deciding to ease off the gas and continue working but part time. If you were on the top pay scale choosing your work and doing a few trips a month on which you can take your partner or kids why would you retire? People say the pension will be a big driver for retirements but that’s not the noises I hear.

On a positive note though. Gatwick slots, NEO’s arriving this year to replace older 319’s at LHR. IAG have slots which need flying, some aircraft they could keep hold of to slot sit and a pool of pilots. Despite what people say, in the short to medium term it will be a BA gig and maybe Level will have some later but who knows. That has to be the positive driver of recruitment.
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Old 30th Nov 2017, 18:02
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I agree Bex. The PRIAM results just produced are now obsolete. These Gatwick slots could have just changed an awful lot of the strategy and I’d be quietly optimistic if I was in the hold pool at the moment.
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Old 30th Nov 2017, 19:59
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For the sake of those treading water in the hold pool I sincerely hope you’re right and suspect you may well be. On the other hand, the PRIAM results were being sorted around the same time as these slots would have been negotiated. So was this part of the reason for the significant number of FW’s (excluding the required moves off the retiring 767 fleet)?

Who knows.

In any event, the effort required to pass the BA recruitment process is substantial and I really hope the guys and girls waiting for a start date will come off well from the forthcoming LGW expansion. They deserve it after such a long wait!
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Old 30th Nov 2017, 22:13
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At about the time the PRIAM results were being produced, KPMG had lost their case in the courts and were deemed not to have the right to sell Monarch’s slots. They were appealing against the decision, but had not had it reversed yet. The question is do BAs pilot P&P and recruitment plans take the Gatwick slots into account, and based upon the above, I’m suspecting they don’t. After that, it depends whether they can meet the new requirement using just the FPP recruits, and again, I suspect they cannot. I should point out these are all just guesses as I have absolutely zero inside info on the subject.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 13:11
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The latest PRIAM results did not take into account potential LGW slots (and from that I 'assume' recruitment’s needs to date did not either). No news from network planning as to the likely requirement as yet.

That is all...

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Old 1st Dec 2017, 15:44
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I don’t think we even know how many mince pie’s we need for Christmas let alone anything else.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 16:03
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Alex will probably eat them all that’s why.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 16:18
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Well it would at least be “cost neutral”
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 16:52
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Haven’t you heard, there is no Christmas this year. Too expensive and no tangible benefit to shareholders...
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 20:52
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NS was asked directly on Yammer if the current PRIAM results & expected future recruitment had taken the Gatwick slots into account, & if any changes would occur.... Her answer is bellow.... hopefully some good news for holdpoolers!

‘Yes things will change once the full impact of the slots filters down to us from network planning. There won’t be another PRIAM results published, the changes will be handled via publication of course lists’
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 22:18
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40 slot pairs equals about 6 aircraft (based on each one doing 6 sector days). That will only need 50-60 pilots to operate (if used entirely on SH routes). That’s not going to make much of a dent in a 300 strong hold pool. That number could increase towards 100-120 if used on long haul.
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 07:47
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I’d heard earlier this year (probably on here) that 2018 was going to be another bumper year for Recruitment. And that was well before the news of IAG acquiring Monarch’s Gatwick slots. I would have though that if the former were still true + the slot news then the pool would be getting drained next year? A wholely simplistic view I’m sure, please enlighten me as to what’s changed.
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 08:01
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Whitetails?

Was the use of them in the plans last year?
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 08:03
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“If you haven’t already seen, we launched a cadet recruitment programme this week. The cadets won’t start in the business until late 2019, early 2020. We have always managed the two entry streams separately and will continue to do so.”
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 09:10
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Yes well done you’ve answered your question by pasting their most recent email in October to us.

You asked what’s changed- it’s that!

July’s email said, ‘Further to our update in May. At the moment based on our current forecasting for 2018 we are not expecting to be able to offer anyone a start date in 2018 from the DEP holdpool.’ Is that a bumper year?

Why might these newly acquired slots not allow the BA pool to be drained? Possibly because now they will fill the seats they need with FPP cadet and when they’re ready white tail cadets.
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 09:26
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You’re right, I’d forgotten about that small detail. Not being TR I guess I can forget about a slot if there are now 300 in the pool. Best of luck to you all.
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 15:33
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I’m in the same boat as you PTT,

Been in the pool for ages, not TR’d, not especially hopeful and (I promise this isn't sour grapes) not overly bothered about getting a call anymore.

It’s not a small amount of effort to prepare and “audition” etc and, grateful as I am for the extensions in the meantime, I don't feel like I really achieved anything by getting into the pool anymore.

I’m sure it's a great company to work for, but it’s not the only one. From now on I think I will apply for companies who recruit when they actually need people. The whole process has made BA seem a little bit arrogant to me unfortunately.

To say this is an empty gesture, because I won’t get a call, but if I did I would politely decline the offer.

Good news for everyone else; one fewer in the pool!

Cheers
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Old 4th Dec 2017, 09:24
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Dont despair yet guys and girls! We don’t know what’s going to happen yet.....just read on other forums....

“I have on good authority that senior members of BA staff are currently on a shopping trip for more Boeing airframes, and they don't want to repeat picking up some more dogs like the 2nd hand Gatter A320's.”

.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1476013-ba-fleet-new-aircraft-arrivals-retirements-master-tracker-124.

So there is still hope for Airbus and Boeing and even nonTRd guys and girls....all we can do is watch this space....
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Old 4th Dec 2017, 09:54
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Originally Posted by Rhymenocerous View Post

Good news for everyone else; one fewer in the pool!
That will be two then. I am staying put as well. Moved to LHS earlier this year and could not contemplate going to the bottom of the BA RHS seniority list.
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Old 4th Dec 2017, 10:45
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Originally Posted by monkey.tennis View Post
40 slot pairs equals about 6 aircraft (based on each one doing 6 sector days). That will only need 50-60 pilots to operate (if used entirely on SH routes). That’s not going to make much of a dent in a 300 strong hold pool. That number could increase towards 100-120 if used on long haul.
PnP told me that there are less than 200 in the hold pool, about 180 odd.
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