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Old 28th Jul 2016, 17:42
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RHS
 
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I think it all depends on where you're coming from, as I personally came from a quite unstable company, with simply unmanageable rostering, I have come to BA and I think life is pretty easy.

Pluses at BA:

Decent skippers
Good Pay
An absolutely bullet proof agreement, roster changes and general messing around are a thing of the past. This was my major bug bear at my last operator
Lots of holidays and time off, it seems like I am always about to have leave or time off
12/13 days off a month, compared to my previous 8/10
Easily the most secure job in UK aviation
Good Pension
Fantastic staff travel
A fair seniority system.
Variety of routes
Good training.
I'll say it, some very decent, fair managers.
Variety of types,
An ops department who will ask favours, but also give them back. I have done them a few favours (coming in a little early, staying behind, swapping a trip to help them out) but they have in turn gotten me a best mates wedding off, taken exceptionally good care of me when I had a sick family member, swapped some leave, given me the trips i've wanted on reserve, you get the idea.

Negatives at BA:

Huge organisation and you can be very anon (some people like this)
Morale can be an issue, again nothing compared to how negative things can when you're about to be made redundant, or dealing with constant roster changes.
Uncertainty around JSS and management plans
Only SE base, this is really the only big downside for me, I would really love to be based closer to home up north.

Of course these are big issues for other guys, and I'm sure these negatives differ for other people, but these are purely as I have found them.

As for 900 hours, I would say I will do about 800 this year, summer is pretty heavy, but winter seemed very easy. I would agree the current manpower levels will undoubtedly need to be adjusted, but I guess that's why they are recruiting?

All in all a very good move FOR ME. I wouldn't come to BA just because its "the best job in UK aviation" because if being based in Manchester flying the 737 and being home every night is something you enjoy, BA isn't for you.

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Old 28th Jul 2016, 22:02
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Very good post RHS..

And I'll second the "I'll say it, some very decent, fair managers."

I have a son with special needs and have needed some support twice in 18 months for my son and my fleet manager could not have been more supportive or helpful, i can literally pick the phone up and call him which is a big plus. If you have a genuine problem i think BA are very good indeed, in my experience anyway.
Being such a big organisation the problem can be knowing who to call!!

And if you don't like being away from home BA is definitely not for you!
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Old 31st Jul 2016, 09:03
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About a year in

I'm about a year in on shorthaul having spent several years at a regional airline. There's lots of positives to BA which have been covered above like the generally nice Captains and crew, the roster stability etc. I have to say the biggest thing I miss about my old employer was the fact that in a smaller operation with regional bases you are flying with your mates everyday and build a really strong network of pals.

I certainly miss driving into work and flying with guys who I actually meet up with outside work, who I have around with their families for Sunday lunch etc or go for bike rides and pub lunches with. BA can feel really anonymous and isolating and it's literally rare to fly with the same guy twice within a year. It's taken quite some time for me to start to get to grips with this but then I'm a people person and building good relationships with people at work has always been important to me.

It's not that the people aren't nice because they are but starting a new job and a new type and feeling like you're the new boy at school every single day certainly gets wearing so just keep that in mind. It's not something I gave any thought to before I joined but it's been the single biggest challenge at least for me. I still miss the 'sixth for common room' banter of my old crewroom, the wit, the mockery and the flirting with an extensive array of delightful young cabin crew!

No regrets though and I still walk around that union jack tailfin and still feel genuinely thrilled that I achieved my boyhood dream and made it here! I feel proud to work for BA for sure and I love the strong customer service ethic that runs through everything they do i.e. I think they still really care about the catering, the customer service etc and for me that's an important element to the job - I like to work for a company whose product I believe in.
Hope that's helpful but it is a point I think nobody else has made amidst all the talk about bidline, days off, hotels and salaries.

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Old 31st Jul 2016, 10:10
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I think that's fair comment, certainly one shouldn't join BA expecting a crewroom culture (there isn't one..a crewroom that is, although as you know there is a coffee bar of sorts in crew report) - if you crave banter you either have to hope a group of your mates join BA with you, or you may well have to cultivate a peer group outside BA.

BA can feel really anonymous and isolating and it's literally rare to fly with the same guy twice within a year.
That can be the case, and can have it's advantages, but it also can depend on the fleet - I can't speak for shorthaul but certainly on longhaul one consequence of the seniority system can be the same subset of folks going to the same destinations...be that NBO, LOS or SIN.. doing the late JFK...etc etc. Depending on bidding and preferences certainly on Longhaul you can end up flying with the same colleagues several times a year.
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Old 31st Jul 2016, 17:10
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Agreed,

Been with the company for almost 11 years all on the 777. I take pleasure in going to work and flying my roster as published or more likely 'as swapped'.

I bid to go to the same places (out of about 55 different 777 destinations) and get to socialise with the same group of people, who like those places. Reserve is an eye opener when you get to fly with the rest of the fleet to all those places you probably forgot about.

Now have a to pop into Heathrow and finally decide my bid for 2017, remain on the 777, go to the 787 or Airbus Command? Other choices are available!
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 09:18
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August Sim

Have a Sim date in August. Anybody else in the same boat want to chat about tips etc? Pm me.
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Old 4th Aug 2016, 08:35
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How long does it take to hear the results of the first assessment? Had it recently and have not heard yet.
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Old 4th Aug 2016, 11:23
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Hi all, I have an assessment on the 9th Aug.
Has anyone who sat it recently got any feedback or advice?

Len.
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Old 5th Aug 2016, 13:02
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Originally Posted by CXKA View Post
Anyone used PMflight before going in to the SIM assessment?

Any feedback appreciated as I have the SIM in August, thanks.
When is your assessment, mine is in August as well. Do you know if the 757 has definitely been retired as a sim option?
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Old 5th Aug 2016, 18:10
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Boebus, Pistolpete, LondonLenny,

It seems that as you have just made your first posts, you will not be able to receive PMs yet.

However I am interested to ask how you managed to book sim dates in August? I have been checking at least daily for nearly 4 months and have not seen a single date available on the system... am I doing something wrong or do they just get snapped up that fast?

Ta!
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 00:34
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FYI

I'm an FO A320 LHR and I've flown no more than 750 hrs in the last 365 days.
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 03:54
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'Do you know if the 757 has definitely been retired as a sim option?'

I think you realllllly need to do some homework, if you are asking this question.
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 10:10
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To be fair though- the sim notes they provide for day 3 includes the 757 which is why he's probably asking..
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 13:18
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Many military colleagues have used PM Flight with positive results and not just BA assessment.
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 16:18
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To be fair though- the sim notes they provide for day 3 includes the 757 which is why he's probably asking..

Nope, to be fair, he should read through this thread........homework.....
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 17:09
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@A340Yumyum, he does ask a perfectly reasonable question and if you don't want to answer it, don't waste your time replying back to him, you only put off our fellow colleagues within the industry from asking for advise. The answer to that question is not definitively answered within this forum. However, even if it was, I don't see that reading through 157 pages of PPRuNe is doing your homework and taking 'goodness knows who wrote that article' as gospel.
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 18:48
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757 sim has definitely gone and its space is now occupied by a newly built 787 sim. Assessment is only on the 747 now.
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 20:37
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757 is dstill in use, at Fed Ex
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 15:09
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Originally Posted by Dupre View Post
Boebus, Pistolpete, LondonLenny,

It seems that as you have just made your first posts, you will not be able to receive PMs yet.

However I am interested to ask how you managed to book sim dates in August? I have been checking at least daily for nearly 4 months and have not seen a single date available on the system... am I doing something wrong or do they just get snapped up that fast?

Ta!
Hey Dupre, sorry about the late reply. Got sent the Sim dates in an email direct from recruitment. Replied straight away and got a date. Didn't log in to the system at all.

Reckon you should email them to check in and let them know you are still keen.
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 00:21
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Very unlikely until all the bid results have been analysed and fleet plans and course requirements for next year firmed up. So end of this year at the earliest. I suspect that there will be quite a few SH FO's with successful LH bids this year. They should get courses before any LH DEPs are recruited.

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