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Old 19th Jan 2017, 17:33
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VJW,

Thanks for that. I'm trying to take any positives I can at the moment to be honest. I'd hate to have to go back to the start of the process again. In the absence of any more info from BA I'll settle in for a long wait...
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 18:15
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The latest Chief Pilot update released today confirmed that the last few DEPs for 2017 are either now onboard or have confirmed course dates in the next month or so. The rest of our 2017 intake will be FPPs. No mention of how 2018 is shaping up, however, 2017 was always going to be quiet. Long haul expansion picks up again next year.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 20:34
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Long haul expansion picks up again next year.
"Expansion"?

On what basis?
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 20:52
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Depends on who you ask. Some are saying that the further 787s provide future expansion. The A350s are deferred, but will eventually replace the 747s.
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Old 22nd Jan 2017, 12:04
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@EMB-145LR
thank you very much for sharing your information from the Chief Pilot. May I ask you where you get these details from?
I am in the exact same situation as thetimesreader. Would be interesting, wether all their DEP candidates have already been contacted or they are still getting in touch with us?
Planning the DEP Dates and scheduling specific candidates are two separate stories. Aren´t they?
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Old 22nd Jan 2017, 13:08
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No problem, E170. The Chief Pilots release a Flight Ops video update on the company intranet most weeks, all of this info is from the most recent one of those.

My understanding is that all those that are scheduled for courses this year have already been contacted. It's a good to remember that things are always very fluid though, and extra courses may be added as plans changes. It's hard to tell with BA, the plan changes constantly.
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Old 22nd Jan 2017, 13:15
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When you speak of a350 aircraft being deferred does that mean none for 2018?
British Airways pares fleet plan, seeks job cuts | Business Standard News
looking at this article cant say I am to confident about getting a call.......
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Old 22nd Jan 2017, 15:34
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Seems like Mr Cruz is rapidly changing BA into a low cost carrier, I guess bringing in a CEO from a low cost outfit is soon rubbing into BA which is a shame.
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Old 22nd Jan 2017, 15:59
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I'd just like to add here that nothing has actually been confirmed about the deferrals.
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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 08:38
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Pole pilot. That's a good article and confirms suspicion on the line. It has been felt for a while that BA was in danger of over recruiting. I think we have over recruited and I would support this by saying look at the CAP levels. Never has it been so low but then again in the last 5 years we have been so very short of pilots so perhaps this is a reflection of what normal crewing levels should look like during the winter program. The change from FPA to flying pay is no coincidence either. Everywhere you look BA is being trimmed down and modernisation is being attempted. It is only pilot recruitment and mixed fleet cabin crew which has continued and that's probably because we were so short. My reserve months in the past were so busy you never saw home but recently I was calling BA and asking to fly only to be told "sorry we don't have anything" The real indications will come in the summer, if we see CAP return to normal levels of 88 rather than the current 72 then recruitment will have had it spot on.

What needs to be kept in mind is that recruitment over the last two years has been exceptional not normal and it would be expected to slow significantly.

Deferred aircraft? The cleaners said so and they know first. They told me we own our 747's and the cost per seat kilometre was significantly less with fuel prices as they are forecast to remain in the period 2017-20. The deferral of orders is in response to weakening of yield on the Atlantic and in Europe and this is the response so that shareholder dividends can see a return of 10-12%. Adding to that of the recent raise of the base rate by the FED capital is also becoming more expensive reducing the efficiency savings of the newer aircraft. To say I was surprised to be having such a conversation from the most reliable source in BA was a understatement.

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Old 28th Jan 2017, 16:57
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Our CAP (777) is norm + 2hours in Mar?
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Old 28th Jan 2017, 21:22
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CAP - 8.24 A320 P1 and -6.24 A320 P2. When does the summer schedule start?
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Old 28th Jan 2017, 21:43
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The cleaners said so and they know first. They told me we own our 747's
Minor point but the cleaners info might be out of date! I believe the rumour might have been true for the old Classics back in the day but certainly a lot of the 744s used to carry a nice shiney plate riveted to the flightdeck wall structure saying which bank ( often a Japanese one) was financing the airframe, though I guess there's a chance that arrangement has changed.

In any event whatever the truth of the above I do agree with the comments about CAP and (over) recruiting.

In BA AFAIK the "summer season" usually kicks in when the clocks change...i.e. usually the last weekend in March..in any event .you can usually tell by the amount of deadheading in the lines....
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Old 29th Jan 2017, 16:13
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Wiggy, I DH each month at least once recently. April will show us more but I think the evidence shows we are in surplus unless the recruitment has been front loaded so captains can be allowed off to LH later in the year.
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Old 29th Jan 2017, 20:23
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The cleaners said so and they know first. They told me we own our 747's
Minor point but the cleaners info might be out of date! I believe the rumour might have been true for the old Classics back in the day but certainly a lot of the 744s used to carry a nice shiney plate riveted to the flightdeck wall structure saying which bank ( often a Japanese one) was financing the airframe, though I guess there's a chance that arrangement has changed.
According to the most recent BA annual report (for year ending December 2015) there were 40 747-400 on the Balance Sheet as fixed assets and none on operating leases. So it looks like BA own them all.
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Old 29th Jan 2017, 21:04
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Thank's, Out of interest I wonder if they've taken the bankers plates off?
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Old 29th Jan 2017, 21:25
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Thank's, Out of interest I wonder if they've taken the bankers plates off?
No they haven't.
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Old 1st Feb 2017, 16:25
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No more sim checks till November,current situation.
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Old 1st Feb 2017, 20:48
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That's quite good news then....could maybe mean they will start offering courses to those in the pool for 2018 before November.
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Old 3rd Feb 2017, 09:49
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One thing is for certain, BA do t have the ability to plan for the remainder of the week, let alone the year ahead. You can guarantee they will cock the numbers up by trying to be too tight; the. We will see the floodgates open on recruitment once more. Retirements have started again after a 10year pause.
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