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Old 17th Dec 2016, 07:43
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I have to echo Stocious. Been in just over 2 years, right place right time and now I'm LHS Airbus. Home pretty much every night and being paid 30% more than my previous LHS role. Can't complain, with at least two weekends off a month.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 09:50
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I doubt anyone else will get that lucky, it's no wonder your happy but realisiticly people joining now are not going to have the same experiences as you!
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 10:21
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I've no doubt, that's precisely what stocious would have been told 2 years ago too!

Just as easy to say, don't join Monarch, as the future's not bright!

Any 'prediction' in this business, is no more than a guess.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 10:32
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I see what your saying and predicting along time in to the future is pointless. But it is fairly clear that for at lest the next few years recruitment will be a fraction of what it has been over the previous, meaning movement up the lists will be much slower so weekend work, nights away and slow command times are a fact of life for any new joiner. Anyone joining 2 or 3 years ago was joining at the begging of a massive wave of recruitment so I doubt they were told the same thing.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 15:07
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For the comments from before that said "If you're based abroad, say in the ME and want to come home, BA would be like a dream." I would just like to say that the wanting to come home bit would be the important part. In Dubai at least, car parking and bus is not of any consequence (chauffeur drive both ways) and the money is excellent despite what's trotted out elsewhere on this forum the truth is that everything is a compromise indeed, and the culture may not suit everyone. As an expat I feel much more at home here than I do in the UK. It's simply a matter of what's important to you.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 18:19
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Excellent post African Dude. As a BA pilot, I like it at BA, but I do fly with some pretty miserable people, who moan quite a lot (and not just the ex-BMI folks!).

I hated my last airline, some people loved it. Personally I'd rather look at the sun through a pair of binoculars than fly for the Arabs. But some folks love it.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 19:01
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no sponsor - Do you have a problem with the Arab airlines or the Arab people?
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 20:26
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Bloated Stomach, that's not really relevant to this thread, however, having spent many years in the Middle East, I prefer the hard won employment rights and judicial rights we enjoy in European airlines which are absent in those countries.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 20:52
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Originally Posted by Enzo999 View Post
I see what your saying and predicting along time in to the future is pointless. But it is fairly clear that for at lest the next few years recruitment will be a fraction of what it has been over the previous, meaning movement up the lists will be much slower so weekend work, nights away and slow command times are a fact of life for any new joiner. Anyone joining 2 or 3 years ago was joining at the begging of a massive wave of recruitment so I doubt they were told the same thing.
Enzo I think you're somewhat overstating the case of a trickle of recruitment. Recruitment was always plannned to slow down in 2017. You've basically discounted the fact that retirements stopped for ten years in 2006. They're now going to return to normal and make no mistake there is a bulge. Add to that the fact that many senior guys are also preparing their notice because they can't go part time. I think the non award of part time is part of a company strategy to rid itself of a few of the PP24's out there.

It (recruitment) may not be 350+ (and certainly not this year) but it's not going to be a trickle either. There's only 100 or so people joining the company this year but bear in mind that ALL of those people are going to be on the airbus, meaning that all existing A320 P2's will move up the list 15-20% by this time next year. That's not far off what this year's new joiners on the airbus achieved in 2016, because this year there were significant numbers onto other fleets too.

Yes us Airbus P2's won't be moving up the Master Seniority List as fast but what ultimately matters to your quality of lifestyle in the short term is your seniority in your seat/fleet.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 21:20
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And of course nobody knows how JSS (the new rostering system) will work out, or how that will affect the 'satisfaction gradient'.

And I DO mean, NOBODY!
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Old 8th Jan 2017, 13:57
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Anyone have an upcoming sim assessment in January?
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Old 8th Jan 2017, 20:49
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Has recruitment opened again? Did I miss something?
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 07:51
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I'd guess there are still people trickling through- probably all 320 rated and about to jump over people who've been in the pool 8 months
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 08:29
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Definitely slowed down a lot this year though. I'm 320 rated and have been told to expect to hear nothing until late 2017/early 2018.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 10:03
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Indeed might be some rated folks being assessed. Maybe anyone can shed some light on the recent intake of sim candidates. Still hopeful on a phone call sooner than later, seeing as my sim buddy is starting in 3 weeks (though he is rated 320...) Fingers crossed!
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 14:42
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As I understand, the January sim assessments are for the final few candidates from the interviews held in 2016. Unfortunately I have no idea when recruitment will start again.

Good luck to those heading to the sim this month!
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 15:29
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Originally Posted by FACoff View Post
Definitely slowed down a lot this year though. I'm 320 rated and have been told to expect to hear nothing until late 2017/early 2018.
Originally Posted by Saab0409 View Post
... Maybe anyone can shed some light on the recent intake of sim candidates. Still hopeful on a phone call sooner than later, seeing as my sim buddy is starting in 3 weeks (though he is rated 320...) Fingers crossed!
Chaps/chapettes,
Just for context around where I might sit in the scheme of things, when did you do your sim assessments? Saab0409, did you come through the long haul recruitment campaign this time last year, or through the short haul that started mid-year last year?

FACoff - when/from whom did you hear that? I've literally had nothing official since the congratulations email, and have only gleaned from others that start dates for rated swimmers might be around July.

Cheers.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 17:56
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I belly flopped into the pool just before Christmas. Since then, despite asking BA recruitment where I stand, no idea when or if I'll get the call. All they would say is "we've met our recruitment requirements for 2017 with cadets and DEP rated. If you haven't been called in 12 months, we'll give you another 6 months. If nothing after that, we'll discuss your options". Not the most confidence inspiring!

For record, Bus rated, applied on the initial non rated recruitment in 2015, put on hold for a few months as I (at that time) didn't meet the criteria for LH. Sim check was December 2016.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 18:49
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Latest internal rumour is some form of recruitment to restart - whether that is assessments for those already going through the system, FPP or new additions I don't know.

The source for this is one of the recruitment guys I met in the sim not too long ago.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 23:02
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Originally Posted by FoxChaRomeo View Post
Chaps/chapettes,
FACoff - when/from whom did you hear that? I've literally had nothing official since the congratulations email, and have only gleaned from others that start dates for rated swimmers might be around July.
I was told late 2017 from recruitment directly (unless there was a "considerable change" in their intake plan). A chap not far behind me said he'd been told early 2018. That said I've only been in the pool since mid November, so even for the 320 I'd expect to be well down the list.

Frankly though if BA's recruitment department bears even the slightest similarity to that of my current airline then their requirements will change more than my Mrs before a night out. Fingers crossed it's sooner rather than later.
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