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Old 20th Mar 2017, 21:06
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I've done marginally under 600 hours Bex! Full time P2 SH. Granted I've done a lot of reserve (half by choice and half those reserve periods were dead quiet) and three weeks of leave in peak summer. Still, low caps are fine by me.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 21:22
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
I did 640 hours last year......full time SH. Next month I have three days TASS. Tells a story

TASS?

Is 650 the norm for BA SH guys? How about LH?
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 21:22
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2019 possibly but a recent conversation I was having with a member of the P&P team suggested 2018 may only be slightly less quiet than this year
Assuming that is the case (80 ish new joiners) I imagine quite a few expiring in the pool. Does anyone know the situation with that? Are we expected to fully reapply and go through all stages of selection again?
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 21:41
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Again Mike don't worry too much about what I've written. That's one person's opinion, there'll be others who will tell you something completely different. I suppose if you do drown there's a chance you may have to resit the whole thing but I'm sure I've heard stories of people in the past who were fished out after drowning and administered the defibrillator (successfully). It depends what mood they're in and how badly they need people I suppose.

TASS is short for a time assignable duty. It's what you're allocated when you're on a blind line and they haven't been able to reach cap with your other rostered duties. It works like a contactable in easyJet, for those who don't know what that is you will be contacted by current ops by 18:00 local at the latest the day before with your duty. If you haven't heard from them put your feet up and have a beer the next day. The only problem is that they prefer to use Time Assignable people before reserve period holders for uncovered work in advance, so it is likely you'll get used. But you're only contactable the day before, not on the day. Hope that's explained it.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 22:33
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I know your intentions are good RexBanner, but I'm not sure who the second paragraph above is aimed at. Surely those in BA already know this and those of us sinking slowly in the pool don't really need to know this until we have, 'put the gear lever to up for the first time on a BA aircraft.'

Three attempts to finally pass BA selection, it'd be seriously frustrating to sink after 18 months. Not sure I'd give it a 4th go.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 22:48
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TASS?

Is 650 the norm for BA SH guys? How about LH?
TASS - TBF to Rex the question was asked by Flyingsaucepan. ...: many ways of thinking about it, my take is it is pre nominated "days off" on your original roster that in reality can be converted into a duty later in the month by the company. Usually given to blindline holders at roster publication to buffer up the credited hours towards CAP or you get clobbered with it if you lose a trip during the month e.g due weather ( if example the LH cancellations last due eastern seaboard snow) you will become TASS, i.e. Available for duty for the days of the lost trip....lots of caveats however, that's the simple version.

Can't talk about SH but 650 sounds low for a Longhauler, I would have thought for most trip line holders it is more likely to be 750 plus on average and we certainly have more than a few bouncing off 900 hours.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 23:13
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While contributors have answered the "letter" of Saucepan's question as to what TASS means (and thanks very much too!), I think we were all hoping for more of a "spirited" answer - how does 640 hrs last year / 3 days TASS on this roster reflect current short haul crewing levels, and from looking at that (and a crystal ball, seaweed, runes or whatever you choose to gaze at) what can we divine about future crewing requirements?

I must admit to being baffled as to why BA would make you start your application from scratch again. You've proved yourself capable and willing to be an asset once, through what must be a costly process to administer, making people go through it again is only going to disenfranchise them, and cost BA time and money? Surely you would drain the pool before opening up any DEP again?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 09:52
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Originally Posted by thetimesreader84 View Post
While contributors have answered the "letter" of Saucepan's question as to what TASS means (and thanks very much too!), I think we were all hoping for more of a "spirited" answer - how does 640 hrs last year / 3 days TASS on this roster reflect current short haul crewing levels, and from looking at that (and a crystal ball, seaweed, runes or whatever you choose to gaze at) what can we divine about future crewing requirements?
I think the implication is that the current crew complement aren't exactly working at capacity, on SH at least (probably at about 85% maybe?) and by extension that imminent recruitment on SH sounds unlikely. However, that is very much only the current state of play and subject to a whole raft of variables over the course of a couple of years; aircraft arriving in unconfirmed number, aircraft retiring, people retiring, changing fleets, upgrades, part-time, route changes and so on.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 09:59
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Slight tangent but, for folks being given part-time now, how long have they been waiting? It is pretty much impossible to say, or is there an average or fleet-specific waiting period? What would one be looking at if going on the list as a new joiner?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 10:24
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Can't talk about SH but 650 sounds low for a Longhauler, I would have thought for most trip line holders it is more likely to be 750 plus on average and we certainly have more than a few bouncing off 900 hours.
Hi Wiggy, 650hrs sounds very low for a Shorthhauler as well. I presume it was a junior pilot on mainly blind lines (otherwise there wouldn't be any TASS either)

I've done around 800 hours on trip lines in the last 12 months. Just finishing a 7 day run today after which I have 2 days off.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 10:45
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Yep I did scratch my head a bit but seeing as SH isn't my aisle........perhaps a better indication is what's CAP looking like at the moment.

''Twas always the choice: sit on a BL with relatively little choice, wth TASS but perhaps more time at home, or try for a Tripline, knowing you'll probably have more choice possibly more predictability but also fly more hours.....

Anyhow with JSS is this all going to be moot?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 15:38
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100% under 600 hours on shorthaul in the last year, March to March. I've double checked in the logbook. Obviously with the caveats that I mentioned. Mix of triplines, blind lines and reserve.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 16:53
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Yep I did scratch my head a bit but seeing as SH isn't my aisle........perhaps a better indication is what's CAP looking like at the moment.

''Twas always the choice: sit on a BL with relatively little choice, wth TASS but perhaps more time at home, or try for a Tripline, knowing you'll probably have more choice possibly more predictability but also fly more hours.....

Anyhow with JSS is this all going to be moot?
I hope that one day I'll get a call with a start date, and I'll get to find out just what on earth you are talking about!!
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 17:29
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
100% under 600 hours on shorthaul in the last year, March to March. I've double checked in the logbook. Obviously with the caveats that I mentioned. Mix of triplines, blind lines and reserve.
I clocked 640 hours on 75% part time (A320) which would equate to about 850 hours full time. All trip lines. And two months off sick too!

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Old 21st Mar 2017, 19:20
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Cripes, 1976, one year on the T1e..............100 hours..........yeah, one ton.......thought I was working hard and collected me tea allowance for doing endless 1630 hrs check in .Oh, those were the days my friends ! Bort, we bombed around at M0.86 and LHR-NCL was 28 minutres..........er, flying time.....!
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 21:14
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My experience..

Exactly 2 years in the company as a full time DEP A320 LHR - already at 50% on the seniority list.

I am a commuter from the frozen north (well Aberdeen) so bid for blocks of work to reduce time on bath road or brothers spare bedroom.

In 2016 - 11 months of trip lines (last was a blind line as too difficult to make CAP due leave / sim) included in this was 2 months of reserve.

Total hours flown 707 (least 17hrs in jan (reserve) most 78 in august.

Remember CAP is not flying hours, for example an Amman standover is worth over 12 hours CAP but only 10:30 actual flight hours, trips are inevitably worth more then day trips.

Nights in hotels downroute 73 - remember I bid for trips.
Nights in my own bed at home in Aberdeen - 152.

I don't do overtime but on the rare occasions I have tried have been unable to as there is very little available.

Are we correctly crewed? I don't know but I am enjoying life and working less than when in the military or flying turboprops. Not sure if that sheds any light on the recruitment situation
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 22:09
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[quote=Icanseeclearly;9714357]

Total hours flown 707 ....

Are we correctly crewed?
I can tell you the management answer to that and it will have a 900 in it......

..Not sure if that sheds any light on the recruitment situation
I'd hate to say it but it does perhaps shows up the issues as to why some in the company don't like credited hours as a measure of work. Above all what you say doesn't paint a very promising picture regarding recruitment in the near future.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 23:10
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Taken from a management forum recently. Average 120 Pilots a year for the foreseeable. Some years will be more slack (like this year and possibly next) some will be busier. 2019/20 is the next big upcoming bulge of retirements.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 00:19
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Am I correct in thinking that there are no more FPPs next year so whatever requirement there may be will at least come completely from the pool?
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 00:36
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It's a shame they don't give us our position in the pool and updates as and when they do pluck people out just so we know the likelihood of getting a call. I know people who've been in since April 2016 and I'm in from Sept 16. So imagine there's not too many before April and perhaps a few hundred maybe between them and myself. So not looking great really I don't think.
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