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Old 20th Mar 2017, 09:34
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How has the new rostering system and EASA FTL effected a possible new joiner LH? I assume EASA has effected commuters or is that still possible? A couple of years ago I met some Canadians commuting but how is that working out now?
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 09:42
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The new roster system isn't in yet, though it's fair to say Bidline "as is" isn't Bidline "as was."......

As far as EASA goes people do still travel in from Europe and elsewhere but given it is harder now to "back to back" LH trips roster construction/manipulation through either bidding and/or swapping can be a bit more difficult.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 10:42
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It's not at all harder to back to back. It's just that Lagos Abuja Accra Luanda Riyadh Jeddah and Kuwait have become significantly more senior trips
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 10:49
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Ok, maybe rather than "harder" I should have said just fewer attractive options to do so.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 10:56
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For those commuters who want to eat their cake and have it too?
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 10:58
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I'll admit it is one of my pet peeves about BA "shorthand" - doesn't everybody at LHR "commute" ??? , even if just from Windsor, Slough, Manchester, Edinburgh or beyond???.......I think the general loss of flexibility for everybody was a shame, but we are where we are....

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Old 20th Mar 2017, 11:09
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Yes, it's always tickled me that in BA-speak "Do you commute?" means "Do you travel to work using public air transport?"

I wonder what all those other poor souls on the motorway as I drive to work are doing?

In other news, there is about to be some internal movement generated by the releasing of some part-time positions which had been denied. This will create about 35 MPE places, not enough to translate into external recruitment. Next year and the year after, things will ramp up again.

The current market has made thing very difficult for the postings & promotions team, variable part time, unknown retirement levels, network changing their minds on routes. The only sure way you know you are on a new fleet, or have joined, is when you put the gear lever to 'up' for the first time on the aircraft....
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 12:57
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Originally Posted by overstress View Post
Next year and the year after, things will ramp up again.
2019 possibly but a recent conversation I was having with a member of the P&P team suggested 2018 may only be slightly less quiet than this year. I have to stress though that this is a rumour network after all and who knows? The only certainty is that all these plans change with the wind.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 18:41
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I did 640 hours last year......full time SH. Next month I have three days TASS. Tells a story
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 21:06
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I've done marginally under 600 hours Bex! Full time P2 SH. Granted I've done a lot of reserve (half by choice and half those reserve periods were dead quiet) and three weeks of leave in peak summer. Still, low caps are fine by me.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 21:22
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
I did 640 hours last year......full time SH. Next month I have three days TASS. Tells a story

TASS?

Is 650 the norm for BA SH guys? How about LH?
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 21:22
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2019 possibly but a recent conversation I was having with a member of the P&P team suggested 2018 may only be slightly less quiet than this year
Assuming that is the case (80 ish new joiners) I imagine quite a few expiring in the pool. Does anyone know the situation with that? Are we expected to fully reapply and go through all stages of selection again?
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 21:41
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Again Mike don't worry too much about what I've written. That's one person's opinion, there'll be others who will tell you something completely different. I suppose if you do drown there's a chance you may have to resit the whole thing but I'm sure I've heard stories of people in the past who were fished out after drowning and administered the defibrillator (successfully). It depends what mood they're in and how badly they need people I suppose.

TASS is short for a time assignable duty. It's what you're allocated when you're on a blind line and they haven't been able to reach cap with your other rostered duties. It works like a contactable in easyJet, for those who don't know what that is you will be contacted by current ops by 18:00 local at the latest the day before with your duty. If you haven't heard from them put your feet up and have a beer the next day. The only problem is that they prefer to use Time Assignable people before reserve period holders for uncovered work in advance, so it is likely you'll get used. But you're only contactable the day before, not on the day. Hope that's explained it.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 22:33
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I know your intentions are good RexBanner, but I'm not sure who the second paragraph above is aimed at. Surely those in BA already know this and those of us sinking slowly in the pool don't really need to know this until we have, 'put the gear lever to up for the first time on a BA aircraft.'

Three attempts to finally pass BA selection, it'd be seriously frustrating to sink after 18 months. Not sure I'd give it a 4th go.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 22:48
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TASS?

Is 650 the norm for BA SH guys? How about LH?
TASS - TBF to Rex the question was asked by Flyingsaucepan. ...: many ways of thinking about it, my take is it is pre nominated "days off" on your original roster that in reality can be converted into a duty later in the month by the company. Usually given to blindline holders at roster publication to buffer up the credited hours towards CAP or you get clobbered with it if you lose a trip during the month e.g due weather ( if example the LH cancellations last due eastern seaboard snow) you will become TASS, i.e. Available for duty for the days of the lost trip....lots of caveats however, that's the simple version.

Can't talk about SH but 650 sounds low for a Longhauler, I would have thought for most trip line holders it is more likely to be 750 plus on average and we certainly have more than a few bouncing off 900 hours.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 23:13
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While contributors have answered the "letter" of Saucepan's question as to what TASS means (and thanks very much too!), I think we were all hoping for more of a "spirited" answer - how does 640 hrs last year / 3 days TASS on this roster reflect current short haul crewing levels, and from looking at that (and a crystal ball, seaweed, runes or whatever you choose to gaze at) what can we divine about future crewing requirements?

I must admit to being baffled as to why BA would make you start your application from scratch again. You've proved yourself capable and willing to be an asset once, through what must be a costly process to administer, making people go through it again is only going to disenfranchise them, and cost BA time and money? Surely you would drain the pool before opening up any DEP again?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 09:52
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Originally Posted by thetimesreader84 View Post
While contributors have answered the "letter" of Saucepan's question as to what TASS means (and thanks very much too!), I think we were all hoping for more of a "spirited" answer - how does 640 hrs last year / 3 days TASS on this roster reflect current short haul crewing levels, and from looking at that (and a crystal ball, seaweed, runes or whatever you choose to gaze at) what can we divine about future crewing requirements?
I think the implication is that the current crew complement aren't exactly working at capacity, on SH at least (probably at about 85% maybe?) and by extension that imminent recruitment on SH sounds unlikely. However, that is very much only the current state of play and subject to a whole raft of variables over the course of a couple of years; aircraft arriving in unconfirmed number, aircraft retiring, people retiring, changing fleets, upgrades, part-time, route changes and so on.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 09:59
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Slight tangent but, for folks being given part-time now, how long have they been waiting? It is pretty much impossible to say, or is there an average or fleet-specific waiting period? What would one be looking at if going on the list as a new joiner?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 10:24
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Can't talk about SH but 650 sounds low for a Longhauler, I would have thought for most trip line holders it is more likely to be 750 plus on average and we certainly have more than a few bouncing off 900 hours.
Hi Wiggy, 650hrs sounds very low for a Shorthhauler as well. I presume it was a junior pilot on mainly blind lines (otherwise there wouldn't be any TASS either)

I've done around 800 hours on trip lines in the last 12 months. Just finishing a 7 day run today after which I have 2 days off.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 10:45
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Yep I did scratch my head a bit but seeing as SH isn't my aisle........perhaps a better indication is what's CAP looking like at the moment.

''Twas always the choice: sit on a BL with relatively little choice, wth TASS but perhaps more time at home, or try for a Tripline, knowing you'll probably have more choice possibly more predictability but also fly more hours.....

Anyhow with JSS is this all going to be moot?
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