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Old 2nd Oct 2016, 08:53
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Word on the street is all is on hold until the full business plan is announced...sometime soon.....

Without going into exact details current thought is there will be ( very low) three figure DEP recruitment, timing of recruitment unknown.
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Old 2nd Oct 2016, 09:19
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Wiggy is right but it's also worth pointing out again (as has been mentioned many times recently in this thread) that 2017 was always going to be a comparatively slow recruitment year (measured against 2015 & 2016 anyway). The large numbers resume from 2018 onwards.
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Old 2nd Oct 2016, 10:13
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Guess it's a good time to have recently been told you're swimming then
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Old 2nd Oct 2016, 13:33
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Cant tell if the last comment is sarcasm, none the less as someone who recently started swimming i dont know if i should be worried......
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Old 2nd Oct 2016, 13:55
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As a fellow swimmer I can't say I feel too confident about the situation. The recent silence is quite deafening. Surely once the bids are sorted whenever this month, there will be a much better idea?
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Old 2nd Oct 2016, 15:13
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Surely once the bids are sorted whenever this month, there will be a much better idea?
Perhaps, but as mentioned earlier I don't think you'll actually hear anything until Alex Cruz has unveiled the business plan. FWIW I think the sentiment is that extraction from the pool and further DEP recruiting will happen, but at the moment no one knows when.
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Old 2nd Oct 2016, 15:47
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Any idea when that might happen Wiggy? The unveiling of the business plan? Thank you very much for any info, for some mid to long term swimmers, approaching 6 months now, it's an interesting scenario. Keeping in mind the 12 month limit.
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Old 2nd Oct 2016, 15:48
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Sorry if my comment sounded sarcastic. If 2017 is a year with less recruitment than the last few years, then being told you're already swimming at the end of 2016 is a good thing isn't it? At the interview in July they told us there weren't any job's until 2017 (apart from a few A320 courses for type rated people). So I'm most definitely not worried. In fact if recruitment opens again in 2017, all the swimmers should feel confident. I doubt BA would have 500 people in the pool for only 150 positions they knew they had. What would be the point in the time and investment on their part. I know that after 3 attempts I'm just over the moon to finally be 'swimming!'

(PS. My comment was based on my own experience, having only been in the pool a month- I didn't know there are people already in the pool for 6 months or more)
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Old 2nd Oct 2016, 16:19
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Any idea when that might happen Wiggy? The unveiling of the business plan?
No idea other than "soon", but I'm not the best at keeping an ear to the ground when it comes to "The City" stuff, hopefully somebody more clued up than me will be along with an answer soon..
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Old 3rd Oct 2016, 06:36
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I have been trying to find current Salary scales and get directed to "Glassdoor" which actually is not very helpful or user friendly.

Anyone got other ideas of where this info is or is it top secret?
Thanks for any help in advance.
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Old 3rd Oct 2016, 08:07
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We don't want Alex Cruz to find out so we keep it a secret .

Take home pay for a new FO on LH is between 3500 and 4500 gbp after tax. (Depends on how much you fly etc)
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Old 4th Oct 2016, 14:07
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I know that after 3 attempts I'm just over the moon to finally be 'swimming!'
VJW, Congratulations and the very best of luck! However, what did you do differently on your third attempt?
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Old 4th Oct 2016, 14:26
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BA Sim

Dear All,


I would be most grateful of any information or tips people would be willing to provide about the BA Sim assessment. PM or public post.
Just had the opportunity to attend next week become available.
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Old 4th Oct 2016, 14:32
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I passed the verbal on day 1. Was the only thing holding me up. Interview and sim both passed on first attempt
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Old 5th Oct 2016, 17:15
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According to Union sources today the aforementioned business plan should be made public some time in November....

That was about the only non-controversial/good news bit of the news letter I could find....

Edit to add after rereading some more info this AM: Just be warned that following recent developments unless the union takes a stand ( and I'm sceptical) we are fast becoming " autorostered" to 900 hours per annum, ..... with little control over days off, regardless of hours worked in the month or previous month ( i.e. banked hours), Bidline is becoming a vague memory, especially for shorthaul.

Be advised that this isn't just an old f**t's grumble, of relevance to prospective DEPs is the fact is that for the first time we are hearing recent joiners starting to gripe publically (via Union and/or other comms) over hours worked/days off/roster predictability verses their previous employer - who was often a LoCo.

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Old 6th Oct 2016, 15:43
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Originally Posted by VJW View Post
Sorry if my comment sounded sarcastic. If 2017 is a year with less recruitment than the last few years, then being told you're already swimming at the end of 2016 is a good thing isn't it? At the interview in July they told us there weren't any job's until 2017 (apart from a few A320 courses for type rated people). So I'm most definitely not worried. In fact if recruitment opens again in 2017, all the swimmers should feel confident. I doubt BA would have 500 people in the pool for only 150 positions they knew they had. What would be the point in the time and investment on their part. I know that after 3 attempts I'm just over the moon to finally be 'swimming!'

(PS. My comment was based on my own experience, having only been in the pool a month- I didn't know there are people already in the pool for 6 months or more)
Anyone have any idea how many in the pool at the moment? 500 seems a huge number - but then I have no idea.
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 19:46
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Personally I've no idea- my 500 above wasn't me trying to guess, it was more to help make a point. As you can only stay in the pool for 12 months, I think it's unlikely they'd have more in the pool now then jobs available for the upcoming year...
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 20:32
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wiggy

"Be advised that this isn't just an old f**t's grumble, of relevance to prospective DEPs is the fact is that for the first time we are hearing recent joiners starting to gripe publically (via Union and/or other comms) over hours worked/days off/roster predictability verses their previous employer - who was often a LoCo."

Thank god it's not just me. I'm a relatively recent joiner and have bumped into a large number of colleagues that joined around the same time or later than me who all feel the same. Many of us at the bottom feel very let down at the moment. I've been in little over a year and yet in that time I've watched both Bidline and Fixed FPA being whipped away. And now BALPA choose to pick a fight over things that affect those on a the jumbo and trainers while highlighting in the same letter that 25% of the pilot workforce have been in 5 years or less. Unreal really. The negativity around the place is overwhelming and it's not limited to either side of the flight deck door. Many of our ground based colleagues are also feeling the pinch.

I have to say, having aspired towards and frankly worked BLOODY hard to get into BA, it's all a bit disappointing at the moment. I feel like a spoiled brat saying that while there are many on this forum who'd give their right nut for my seat. Many will undoubtedly pipe up and say "if you don't like it, leave. I'll have your job!". I accept that. But right now, with all the negativity and racing to the bottom, I miss my old LOCO job where I was home every night.

Just my totally honest two cents worth.

To those of you waiting for the magic call or even a sim slot. Please see this post for what it is and not a whinge. It's an honest appraisal of one blokes interpretation of the current situation. There are still some serious tangible benefits to joining BA but the list of benefits is dwindling fast!

Very best of luck.
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 20:50
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Couldn't agree more 2 Whites 2 Reds!
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 21:09
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Are you short or long haul 2W2R?

My general view as a long haul DEP is life is very good compared to Loco life and even on a blind line swapping and open time allow me a lot of control of my lifestyle. I have also received significant help with family issues I would not have had in my precious job.

Friends who ended up on the 320 however seem to be having a hell of a time of it and are almost working for a different airline.
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