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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 09:55
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How long has Nigel Farage worked for BAs recruitment team? Awful question.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 10:25
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Was that question actually asked? If so it's a ridiculous question which has absolutely zero relevance to the operation of an airliner. This is what happens when HR are allowed to get too close to a pilot recruitment process. This process has gone completely mad.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 10:34
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A friend of mine who's been at BA for a few years now, mentioned he was asked that question.

Total nonsense and irrelevant.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 10:40
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I don't think that is a question you need to have an answer to!
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 11:15
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How long has Nigel Farage worked for BAs recruitment team? Awful question.
It can be asked to a person of any race/creed/colour/gender/sexual orientation by a person of any race/creed/colour/gender/sexual orientation. BA is about as diverse as you get.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 04:13
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That is hysterical. Pilot recruiting gone mad.

There are plenty of ways to assess the non-technical persona of the candidate with "tell me about a time when" questions, if they still flatly refuse to have a technical interview.

This is just proof that the lunatics are running the asylum.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 04:55
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BA would prefer culturally aware pilots. That question probably exists to check you're not some UKIP voting, Daily Mail letter writer. But it seems some of you are ;-)

Think about it. You're getting upset about a politically correct question? Don't you get it? You'll be sharing a cockpit with a diverse ethnic/sexuality/gender spread in BA. If you get all het up at the ambiguity it'll just prove you're another one of those veiled intolerant-types that quite frankly, we have enough of in BA already.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 05:29
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I work in an outfit every bit as diverse as BA, thank you. Per capita, I'd say far moreso.

My cultural awareness is fine. The question doesn't bother me personally - I just fail to see how this isn't a case of HR being given too long a leash. It would seem plenty agree.

But, thanks for joining in. Without people like you, we'd be stuck with technical questions and personality-gauging questions based on relevant experience. How would we cope?
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 08:17
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Right Engine,
I'm having trouble believing that this is an actual question.
It's right/ necessary to investigate cultural diversity but this question delves deeper requiring the answer to include a time when you've been too accommodating. To expand that to it having affected a third party makes it very difficult.
The acid test as to whether this question is reasonable or not would be to present it to a random selection of current BA pilots and see if they can answer it.
Personally I have an okish response to it but it took me 10 minutes to think of a specific example and I've been flying a long time so should have far more examples than most applicants.
Logically any pilot selector is going to think the same and treat answers pragmatically.
Personally at 5nm into BOM with +TSRA it would help me if pilot recruitment concentrated less on those who had overdone cultural diversity but focussed more on those who can fly a jet.
This question, if it is a question, gives BA a bad name as evidenced by the posts above.
Right Engine, your final sentence is ironic in the extreme.

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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 08:28
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McNugget,

I appreciate your point. But BA HR's opinion of a good BA employee is not mutually exclusive to PPRuNe's collective opinion of what makes a good pilot.
In order to join BA, it's only fair that the odd question about diversity awareness is thrown at you. Despite it's clichéd PC origins, a tell-tale frown from an interviewee will hint at someone who hasn't given diversity much thought. And for those whose frowns are most pronounced, that maybe are from a more bigoted origin.... I hope you'd appreciate why BA might prefer not to employ them.

Having flown with the odd bigot over the years (not many : but we've got 'em!) I'd prefer if our future recruits were easier for everyone to get on with.

I do agree that a question worded "have you ever been too accommodating in a situation regarding cultural diversity/sexuality" is a bit over complicated. But surely that would be a great opportunity to exhibit / show off your excellent communication skills in pointing out the complexities of the question, the sensitive nature of the topic and (hopefully) the lack of anecdotes to answer with!

FWIW, I've got nothing to do with recruitment!
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 08:30
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I did have a similar question several years ago, so it's not a recent addition.

At the end of the day, it's their train set, so you just need to jump through the hoops.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 08:43
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Right Engine,
Our posts crossed, I'm glad we are in agreement that the question is too complex.

Did you use the words " veiled intolerant types" and "bigot" during your interview for BA?
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 11:09
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Diversity awareness or lack of it has precisely zero bearing on one's ability to be an effective pilot.
I completely disagree and so do BA. Has it occurred to you that people who don't stop to consider the differences among others generally make poor team players and even worse leaders? Imagine the scenario where a Captain says something upsetting about a subset of society that he feels are beneath him or her - yet the co-pilot is either part of that group or maybe married to somebody in it. Is that co-pilot going now going to go the extra mile to support that Captain (consciously or otherwise)? I doubt it.
Further to that - you obviously misunderstand the point of such questions. Yes, demonstrating that you are aware of cultural issues is a bonus, but they are also looking to see that you are flexible in your approach and open minded.
They're basically looking for people that aren't arseholes. Sometimes I wonder if that's a rare quality.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 11:42
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I agree you need to be aware of other cultures, to a point. It's certainly very low on my list of priorities though. As John Smith says acting in a professional manner will cover you for all bases.

This question is ridiculous and as with any question like this let's face it the person who is the best at lying will have the best answer in the eyes of HR!!!

It's one big joke
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 11:44
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Give us an example in your life when you have been too accommodating for reasons of cultural diversity and thereby have let someone else down
I think that there are 2 actual interview questions that have been merged into one as the story has been retold. "Send two and fourpence" springs to mind. I suspect the two questions looked something like this:

- Give an example of a time when you have been too accommodating and thereby have let someone else down.

- Give an example of a time when you have had to be accommodating due to reasons of cultural diversity.


Diversity awareness at BA is not just important for working alongside multi-cultural colleagues; 50% of BA passengers are NOT British (store that stat for your interview!) Think about serving alcohol, or a bacon butty, inbound to Riyhad. Imagine an aircraft outbound from Mumbai with 70% local passengers and none of your cabin crew can speak Indian. A couple of small examples of how cultural awareness must pervade throughout the business. It's taken very seriously and I don't think it unreasonable to expect a couple of minutes of probing over the course of a 3-day selection procedure.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 11:46
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The key is to act in a professional manner whatever your views of a person or group are.
Of course you're entitled to your own views, regardless of how ignorant they are. And yes, professionalism involves occasionally putting your beliefs to one side - we all have prejudices whether we like it or not.

...does not mean snivelling and scraping to avoid offending someone's cultural sensibilities.
Nobody, least not BA, would expect you to do that. What you are expected to be able to do is demonstrate some key qualities like empathy, social awareness and, for want of a better word, manners.

It's for those in a minority to fit in with the majority
Well luckily for BA, the majority of people there are aware of differences among us and recognise that it is a strength. The best workplaces are the ones where everyone comes to work not being embarrassed of who they are or where they come from.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 11:49
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Anson is on the money here.


John smith you must be joking with this statement.

Why? Diversity awareness or lack of it has precisely zero bearing on one's ability to be an effective pilot.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 11:53
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Give me an example of when you were flying the Space Shuttle in an inverted negative g dive whilst flipping off the martians on the moon yesterday in 2034...

Some questions might be a bit weird but it's BA's trainset so if you want the job you better come up with an answer.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 12:11
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Surely if the airline is to be representative of society it needs both bigotts and pc luvvies working for it! If you weed out the biggotts could the arline not be accused of institionalised biggottism?

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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 12:25
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once great British institution
I think they want to be a great British business, not an institution. If you want institutions, I can recommend the WI.
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