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From: Planet Moo Moo
AFrotary,
Unfortunately you will have to provide the full DEP requirements for an application and BA will not look at your military experience 'per se'. As discussed above the DEP 'Managed Path' was an agreement between the military and the CAA as to the necessary requirements of ex military pilots to gain (f)ATPL status. This allows the applicant to interview whilst still in the ATPL training process and whilst still leaving the MOD.
BA are willing to forgo the necessary licensing requirements for interview only (successful applicants will still be required to hold valid EASA licenses for the sim checks) to allow UK military personnel to attend the interview stage without the licenses being 'in hand' so to speak.
You can speak to your governing body to see if there are allowable exemptions for you through your authorities but you will need to attend an interview with the (f)ATPL(A) in hand I'm afraid.
Unfortunately you will have to provide the full DEP requirements for an application and BA will not look at your military experience 'per se'. As discussed above the DEP 'Managed Path' was an agreement between the military and the CAA as to the necessary requirements of ex military pilots to gain (f)ATPL status. This allows the applicant to interview whilst still in the ATPL training process and whilst still leaving the MOD.
BA are willing to forgo the necessary licensing requirements for interview only (successful applicants will still be required to hold valid EASA licenses for the sim checks) to allow UK military personnel to attend the interview stage without the licenses being 'in hand' so to speak.
You can speak to your governing body to see if there are allowable exemptions for you through your authorities but you will need to attend an interview with the (f)ATPL(A) in hand I'm afraid.
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From: UK
I think slowing down courses for DEPs after the summer was always the plan. There's a very long list of moves from both LH and SH fleets to the 787 and other LH fleets, which are due to take place between now and the end of the year. It was the same pattern last year.
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2017 is the only year in the foreseeable future when no (or maybe 1?) LH aircraft are due to be delivered so slower recruitment would be expected. 250+ a year for 4 years seems optimistic though!
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From: The Winchester
250+ a year for 4 years seems optimistic though!
By sheer coincidence I was going through some files at home yesterday and came across the letter the company sent in 2006 detailing changes to compulsory retirement ages for pilots. The ability to work on as a pilot at BA to age 65 took place 1st Oct 2006..
I'll let you all do the maths, but would add that when demography meant retirements picked up just prior to the 2006 change the status lists on Bidpacks made interesting reading (i.e highly fluid).
Last edited by wiggy; 27th August 2016 at 07:41.
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On the PPruNe forum for the BA FPP, Lindsay Craig has said and I quote "it's time for my recruitment wings to take a break! After 1000 pilots recruited I'm handing over to a new manager at the end of this month, so she'll be looking after things from thereon in." I'm not sure though Club World that that implies a slowdown in DEP recruitment.
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From: Botswana
The current Pilot Recruitment Manager is indeed leaving however, as Wiggy has said there is a continuing need for pilots at BA for the foreseeable not least because of the retirements. It's just going to be a different person in charge of it, the need will still be there and won't (shouldn't) be affected.
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I agree with Rex. The number of pilots required in BA is driven by lots of different things (retirements, part time working, avaliable slots, business plans, numbers of aircraft in different fleets and crewing ratios, training capacity, simulator availability, projected sickness levels, rostering systems, etc).
The Pilot Recruitment Manager and his team run the numbers and parameters and eventually come up with the plan (which varies frequently) in conjunction with BALPA. This plan includes recruitment.
In practice, replace person A with person B and you end up with the plan. The personality won't change the plan as much as you imply, the other factors will have a greater impact.
The Pilot Recruitment Manager and his team run the numbers and parameters and eventually come up with the plan (which varies frequently) in conjunction with BALPA. This plan includes recruitment.
In practice, replace person A with person B and you end up with the plan. The personality won't change the plan as much as you imply, the other factors will have a greater impact.
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From: Slough, UK
The new pilot recruitment manager will be a non-pilot on an office contract rather than a management pilot like Lindsay was. I don't think it was entirely Lindsay's decision to stand down. It's all part of 'streamlining' the business under the new CEO.
Champ
Champ
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From: Botswana
I would have thought replacing someone doing two jobs, having them go back to their day job and getting someone else in to do the other job on a full time basis was the polar opposite of streamlining?
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Not saying I agree with it, but I've heard the opinion expressed well before our current CEO arrived that it was a waste of resources to have a pilot holding a management post that could be performed by a non pilot. Basically the opinion expressed was that a Pay Point XX pilot should flying the line, not sat at a desk.
Edit to add: To avoid any misunderstanding - Personally I think manager pilot recruiting should be a pilot, but I'm not an accountant.
Edit to add: To avoid any misunderstanding - Personally I think manager pilot recruiting should be a pilot, but I'm not an accountant.
Last edited by wiggy; 31st August 2016 at 09:07.
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Yes I agree it would be appropriate to have a actual "pilot" taking over the Pilot recruitment and not some HR person, I guess this non pilot will have people doing cartwheels and tunnel building as part of the pilot selection process in due course that is if they change the current selection process, at least with LC and his team you could chat to them directly.
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From: Slough, UK
Personally, I agree with wiggy. You want the head of pilot recruitment to be a pilot. How much difference to the bottom line is it really going to make vs the quality of candidates recruited and how BA are perceived in the industry?
Champ