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Old 14th Aug 2016, 23:29
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And rightly so!
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 18:15
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I heard that BA has a direct entry path for UK military aviators.
Does anyone know if there is also a possibility for foreign military aviators to join BA without heavy fixed wing experience?
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 18:35
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AFrotary

Don't think so the website says

"If you are a service pilot in the Royal Air Force, Royal Navy, Royal Marines or Army Air Corps you can apply via the Managed Path"

Seems pretty specific but probably worth a try
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 20:31
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Does anyone know if there is also a possibility for foreign military aviators to join BA without heavy fixed wing experience?
I am pretty certain that any such application would be discarded, without a further glance. BA's stated criteria for DEP, with regard to previous experience, are pretty specific. Ignoring them is a sure way to getting your application binned.
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 07:26
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Originally Posted by deeceethree View Post
I am pretty certain that any such application would be discarded, without a further glance. BA's stated criteria for DEP, with regard to previous experience, are pretty specific. Ignoring them is a sure way to getting your application binned.
You my friend are 100% incorrect.
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 07:50
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I heard that BA has a direct entry path for UK military aviators.
Does anyone know if there is also a possibility for foreign military aviators to join BA without heavy fixed wing experience....

Hopefully somone who has benefitted for "Managed Path" will have chapter and verse but as I recall it Managed Path was the result of some discussion between some UK airlines and the UK Ministry of Defence (MOD), and certainly initially the MOD/UK individual services facilitated and administered the scheme internally. See the bottom of this page:

RAF Learning Forces - Flying Training

......An MOD scheme has been established with airline and aviation related companies. It provides targeted assistance in entering the civil sector, which eases the transition process and encourages a longer Service flying career for RAF pilots. All service pilots, of 32 years of age or above, who are serving on a Permanent Commission (or equivalent), are eligible to register with the scheme. Military intranet users should access GAI 1028 ......

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Old 16th Aug 2016, 08:00
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Quite correct. It is a retention scheme to allow British Military pilots to take the initial parts of selection and then just the simulator in the final months before leaving. The idea is to stop pilots leaving the military early in fear of missing out on selection.
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 10:04
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Thanks for the info!

Sounds like a good deal for UK service men, they can count themselfs lucky.
In most places in Europe ex-mil is treated the same as just out of flightschool newbies.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 20:35
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AFrotary,

Unfortunately you will have to provide the full DEP requirements for an application and BA will not look at your military experience 'per se'. As discussed above the DEP 'Managed Path' was an agreement between the military and the CAA as to the necessary requirements of ex military pilots to gain (f)ATPL status. This allows the applicant to interview whilst still in the ATPL training process and whilst still leaving the MOD.

BA are willing to forgo the necessary licensing requirements for interview only (successful applicants will still be required to hold valid EASA licenses for the sim checks) to allow UK military personnel to attend the interview stage without the licenses being 'in hand' so to speak.

You can speak to your governing body to see if there are allowable exemptions for you through your authorities but you will need to attend an interview with the (f)ATPL(A) in hand I'm afraid.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 17:01
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Hi All,
Any dep expecting sim session soon interested in some preparation and splitring costs. Please pm me
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 22:03
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Courses being postponed by at least 2 months for DEP who received a date? Anymore news on the inside? Is this because of crystal results?
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Old 25th Aug 2016, 15:23
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I think slowing down courses for DEPs after the summer was always the plan. There's a very long list of moves from both LH and SH fleets to the 787 and other LH fleets, which are due to take place between now and the end of the year. It was the same pattern last year.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 14:32
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It's purely because the training department(s) are working at max capacity.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 20:51
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Around 170 to be recruited next year (always was a planned slow recruitment year) and then between 250-300 a year for the 4 years after that. All is good.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 20:56
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2017 is the only year in the foreseeable future when no (or maybe 1?) LH aircraft are due to be delivered so slower recruitment would be expected. 250+ a year for 4 years seems optimistic though!
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 20:57
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Retirements and part time....
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 06:26
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250+ a year for 4 years seems optimistic though!
Here's part of the reason recruitment will go up significantly:

By sheer coincidence I was going through some files at home yesterday and came across the letter the company sent in 2006 detailing changes to compulsory retirement ages for pilots. The ability to work on as a pilot at BA to age 65 took place 1st Oct 2006..

I'll let you all do the maths, but would add that when demography meant retirements picked up just prior to the 2006 change the status lists on Bidpacks made interesting reading (i.e highly fluid).

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Old 28th Aug 2016, 11:54
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Not sure if its accurate but I was told that a new Pilot Manger will be taking over so I guess thi smay slow future DEP recruitment.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 12:37
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On the PPRuNe forum for the BA FPP, Lindsay Craig has said and I quote "it's time for my recruitment wings to take a break! After 1000 pilots recruited I'm handing over to a new manager at the end of this month, so she'll be looking after things from thereon in." I'm not sure though Club World that that implies a slowdown in DEP recruitment.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 12:44
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The current Pilot Recruitment Manager is indeed leaving however, as Wiggy has said there is a continuing need for pilots at BA for the foreseeable not least because of the retirements. It's just going to be a different person in charge of it, the need will still be there and won't (shouldn't) be affected.
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