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LT's condition
LT's is very secretive that is why a lot of speculations come out about his condition every so often.
A lot of people feel that his business empire will crumble if he goes. About time for a lot of people look for new jobs: that includes PAL people.
The thing with LT is he doesn't have a clear successor unlike Gokongwei who has Lance who is a very competent heir.
LT has sired several children from several wives (this man is rumored to have 80 concubines!!!) who all have ambitions to his business empire, as proded by their respective mothers.
These children unfortunately hate each other, being out of different mothers.
A Chinese friend confided to me that one of LT's sons, who is being groomed for an important position, said that the lady pilot daughter of LT is nothing because she is from another family. Of course all of them are anyway, according to my friend: it depends on who the King (LT himself) prefers.
But this lady pilot has nevetheless shown us lessons in humility & determination in persuing a career in the airline by going thru the ranks starting from the AV-school. She might be a strong contender to run the airline in the future if the king will be around, accdg again to my friend.
One of LT's sons in his 30's has shown some interest in a career in the airline but dismissed it outright when he saw for himself that it was no joke flying the 737 sim in Nichols. His son from the original wife is actually about 50 years old now but has no clear influence.
The King's fear when he goes is that his children will be alienated from his vast business empire & mucho dinero by none other than his business leiutenants & senior advisers.
A year ago, the king was reported to have contracted hepatitis & had to go here in the US for an extensive treatment.
He must have contracted this illness from his very active sex life (man he is in his 70's) accdg to doctors who attend to him.
A Chinese doctor in Manila confided that LT has been warned time and again to use condoms when he shags women because he is never sure where the boyfriends of these lovely young Chinese ladies been.
Would you believe that the king has a new child just about 2-3 years old now?
When the king was young, a geomancer in his native land predicted that more the wives he has, the bigger his business empire will be (man, we must be in the wrong religion!!!!!).
The libido of the king is legendary. He is reported to interrupt meetings (tells his executives to wait for 1 - 2 hours-->>short time ikanga), takes the helicopter to one of his ladies & comes back to continue the meetings.
He develops a terrible terrible headache if he cannot shag; then he cannot work.
Another Chinese friend also opines that the King can never give the salary that other employers give because he has a heavy overhead cost: in short, bribe money. He needs this overhead to survive & advance his business empire which has been his way for a long long time now.
It is also news from my Chinese friends that the king's brother Mariano has been calling the shots lately about the increase in PAL. Several retired PAL pilots who act as LT's consultants have recommended pay increases directly to the king but were utterly disappointed when the brother shots them down straight: nag-mamarunong daw (pretends to be a know it all).
A lot of people feel that his business empire will crumble if he goes. About time for a lot of people look for new jobs: that includes PAL people.
The thing with LT is he doesn't have a clear successor unlike Gokongwei who has Lance who is a very competent heir.
LT has sired several children from several wives (this man is rumored to have 80 concubines!!!) who all have ambitions to his business empire, as proded by their respective mothers.
These children unfortunately hate each other, being out of different mothers.
A Chinese friend confided to me that one of LT's sons, who is being groomed for an important position, said that the lady pilot daughter of LT is nothing because she is from another family. Of course all of them are anyway, according to my friend: it depends on who the King (LT himself) prefers.
But this lady pilot has nevetheless shown us lessons in humility & determination in persuing a career in the airline by going thru the ranks starting from the AV-school. She might be a strong contender to run the airline in the future if the king will be around, accdg again to my friend.
One of LT's sons in his 30's has shown some interest in a career in the airline but dismissed it outright when he saw for himself that it was no joke flying the 737 sim in Nichols. His son from the original wife is actually about 50 years old now but has no clear influence.
The King's fear when he goes is that his children will be alienated from his vast business empire & mucho dinero by none other than his business leiutenants & senior advisers.
A year ago, the king was reported to have contracted hepatitis & had to go here in the US for an extensive treatment.
He must have contracted this illness from his very active sex life (man he is in his 70's) accdg to doctors who attend to him.
A Chinese doctor in Manila confided that LT has been warned time and again to use condoms when he shags women because he is never sure where the boyfriends of these lovely young Chinese ladies been.
Would you believe that the king has a new child just about 2-3 years old now?
When the king was young, a geomancer in his native land predicted that more the wives he has, the bigger his business empire will be (man, we must be in the wrong religion!!!!!).
The libido of the king is legendary. He is reported to interrupt meetings (tells his executives to wait for 1 - 2 hours-->>short time ikanga), takes the helicopter to one of his ladies & comes back to continue the meetings.
He develops a terrible terrible headache if he cannot shag; then he cannot work.
Another Chinese friend also opines that the King can never give the salary that other employers give because he has a heavy overhead cost: in short, bribe money. He needs this overhead to survive & advance his business empire which has been his way for a long long time now.
It is also news from my Chinese friends that the king's brother Mariano has been calling the shots lately about the increase in PAL. Several retired PAL pilots who act as LT's consultants have recommended pay increases directly to the king but were utterly disappointed when the brother shots them down straight: nag-mamarunong daw (pretends to be a know it all).
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richkidpoorkid,
interesting post...LT has a lot to worry about. When a man dies... the only thing he leaves is his legacy. What is that? His many bastard children that will fight over the empire? What then? It can only crumble. PAL included. I can see only one sucessor in the aviation sector... Cebupac!! CP is making leaps and bounds in PI and is now reaching into Sth east Asia. The bribes LT pays will stop when he dies and so will the empire.
interesting post...LT has a lot to worry about. When a man dies... the only thing he leaves is his legacy. What is that? His many bastard children that will fight over the empire? What then? It can only crumble. PAL included. I can see only one sucessor in the aviation sector... Cebupac!! CP is making leaps and bounds in PI and is now reaching into Sth east Asia. The bribes LT pays will stop when he dies and so will the empire.
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as in the history of downfall of great empires, a power struggle ensues between the rival contenders for the throne...
do we see here a possible merger of PAL and Cebpac in the future?
do we see here a possible merger of PAL and Cebpac in the future?
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The merger doesn't sound so bad.....
THe merger doesn't sound so bad... it just sounds so FUNNY! 
ahahhahahaha PALPAC AIRLINES!!!! ahahahahah so freakin funny! GOOD ONE!!! Best post ever!I give it 2
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ahahhahahaha PALPAC AIRLINES!!!! ahahahahah so freakin funny! GOOD ONE!!! Best post ever!I give it 2 !!!!
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Its not all money
Money is not the only reason why pilots leave. Most of them can survive wth the old pay, but the treatment is something that is very hard to live with. Maybe when kalbo ang his classmates have retired, then things might be better
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You think so ???
So you may think life will change when people leave,??
it's a viscious cycle that perpetuates itself in office politics. The people who will then be on top will employ their own brand of management style dictated by the higher ups above them. Its called corporated culture, ie. "mentality",
they have worked long and hard to get where they are, they have bent over and offered their puckerd a
's to get where they are now, you actually think it will change??
Think for a minute, if it happens to you?, would you change?
If you need or want change, make the change yourself ! Don't wait for other people to affect change for you because it will never happen.
The process is called learning, learning from your past to change your future.
it's a viscious cycle that perpetuates itself in office politics. The people who will then be on top will employ their own brand of management style dictated by the higher ups above them. Its called corporated culture, ie. "mentality",
they have worked long and hard to get where they are, they have bent over and offered their puckerd a
's to get where they are now, you actually think it will change??Think for a minute, if it happens to you?, would you change?
If you need or want change, make the change yourself ! Don't wait for other people to affect change for you because it will never happen.
The process is called learning, learning from your past to change your future.
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Maybe, maybe not. I have seen some good guys there, but when they got a management position, they changed a lot. Maybe becuase of pressure from higher management, or they are simply blinded by power we dont know. But one thing is for sure, if you are still helping line pilots when you are management, they will pressure you to quit the post.
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Some are happy
, still, some are not. It's all relative I guess. (Groups 1 & 2 are relatively happier vs. Grp 3 & 4 as you may've correctly deduced). Some Grp 1 pilots are less unhappier compared to their Asiana counterparts
.Heard some from the 320s are holding off on leaving. Others may just wait for the year-end bonus and leave
. Others may have already given the nod to their new employers so once more, we wait and see.The new buzz is that PAL has (rumor has it) already signed with Boeing (last Monday night) and GE Leasing for 4 777s to be delivered in 2009. This was to settle the $115 Million (?) deposit of PAL to Boeing that's still being held by EXIMBank or Boeing for the cancelled 747 orders. This was also reportedly done to secure the orders just in case Emirates wants to get additional 777s after their cancelled 340s.
Again, all rumors but the buzz is stronger. As always, we shall wait and see.
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Hi C1052,
The thing was, Grp 1 pilots never expected much from the rumored raise before, even if there was talk that it might amount to a net increase of roughly $2000. With the recent productivity increase, people were pleasantly surprised.
Those who were rationalizing their decision to stay with the company are quite happy.
Those who have intentions of applying at Asiana are still quite intent on doing so, save for maybe, about 20% (for now) who have opted to discontinue their application.
I also know of A320 captains who've also discontinued (in the meantime) pursuing greener pastures, opting to test the new package (which comes this end of November).
Perhaps for the younger Grp 1 pilots, its a breather to reassess the situation. But the gap between Asiana and PAL pay is still quite significant. And the productivity pay is not constant, as you may well know. Plus, it wasn't placed with the basic salary so that the company wouldn't have to give a higher retirement pay.
You have to be able to fly 60 hrs to get the approximate increase. In the Airbus division, that's not a problem. But for the 744 and the soon to be abolished 737s, that's quite another story.
The thing was, Grp 1 pilots never expected much from the rumored raise before, even if there was talk that it might amount to a net increase of roughly $2000. With the recent productivity increase, people were pleasantly surprised.
Those who were rationalizing their decision to stay with the company are quite happy.
Those who have intentions of applying at Asiana are still quite intent on doing so, save for maybe, about 20% (for now) who have opted to discontinue their application.
I also know of A320 captains who've also discontinued (in the meantime) pursuing greener pastures, opting to test the new package (which comes this end of November).
Perhaps for the younger Grp 1 pilots, its a breather to reassess the situation. But the gap between Asiana and PAL pay is still quite significant. And the productivity pay is not constant, as you may well know. Plus, it wasn't placed with the basic salary so that the company wouldn't have to give a higher retirement pay.
You have to be able to fly 60 hrs to get the approximate increase. In the Airbus division, that's not a problem. But for the 744 and the soon to be abolished 737s, that's quite another story.
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Ah the kicker is the retirement pay!! LT has done it again...
He is one smart m..... f.....! Paying higher now... so he doesn't have to pay later. Good idea C&B... wait till xmas for the bonus then leave. ha ha
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Thanks planestupid...He is a businessman after all. 
Also, there was a part of the package that would've given substantial pay increases for flying multi-leg sectors. Meaning extra pay for 3rd, 4th legs of the day.
But the new November skeds shows lesser multi-leg sectors with an abundance of 2-leg sectors that can have you flying 6 straight days of only 2-leg sectors instead of the much saner 4-5 days with multiple sectors. And previously scheduled 4-leg milk runs to Cebu are now spread out among the crew, contrary to the previous practice of maximizing the pilot's day.
It's kinda' smart too. Management can always claim that they're spreading the flying time amongst the pilots (due to higher productivity pay) but at the same time limit their multi-leg payments without explicitly saying so.
Also, there was a part of the package that would've given substantial pay increases for flying multi-leg sectors. Meaning extra pay for 3rd, 4th legs of the day. But the new November skeds shows lesser multi-leg sectors with an abundance of 2-leg sectors that can have you flying 6 straight days of only 2-leg sectors instead of the much saner 4-5 days with multiple sectors. And previously scheduled 4-leg milk runs to Cebu are now spread out among the crew, contrary to the previous practice of maximizing the pilot's day.
It's kinda' smart too. Management can always claim that they're spreading the flying time amongst the pilots (due to higher productivity pay) but at the same time limit their multi-leg payments without explicitly saying so.
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Glad I'm out of PAL
I see the fall of LT's empire soon...give it 10 years at the most. Just like any other empire in history, it all came to an end. How about Danding Cojuanco taking over? Or the Ayala's? The Ayala's bidded for PAL during Cory's time & lost to the Kamag-anak inc. remember?
PAL being in the service industry, it needs an owner who is an "equal opportunity" employer.
PAL being in the service industry, it needs an owner who is an "equal opportunity" employer.
I give my vote to Danding or the Ayalas if they were to take over PAL!!!
The Kamag-anak Inc were actually the ones who put us all in trouble in letting Greedy LT take over PAL.
One stupid & equally greedy nephew of Tita Cory thought he could out-smart the king...man, he was wrong!!!!...the nephew actually made money out of this deal but the loosers are the PAL employees who would have to put up with the business tactics of the king
.It gives me pleasure to realize I am actually out of PAL everytime I learn of the goings back in the Phils.
Seems to me that every measured made to prevent pilots from leaving has some catch on it (consuelo de bobo). Never was anything given whole-heartedly (buong puso).
The carrot & the stick has always been management's style. And literally, pilots are made to work like horses to earn their day's worth.
Some of us simply do not have the youth to wait for ten years, as Bansai has predicted, for things to change in PAL.
BTW: Bansai, working from your pseudonym, are you one of those Pinoy pilots discussed in a previous thread who is working in Japan
??!!Can you give us some pointers on your experiences in interviews, training, pay, living conditions, etc?
Cheers.
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Ha ha ha, the poor guy "J.C." just can't have enough
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No! I dont think that "J.C." or "K K" or Elueterio Jr or whatever you want to call that Ape, he will not have enough. He's legendary! Legendary sa "kagulangan". Ive heard all the horrible stories from PAL, Vietnam, Singapore. Man! Its unthinkable how he concotes his "panggugulang"! I heard he doesn't even want to share to others on how to go about this Japan employment.
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CX will hire PINOYS
'Musta mga bossing? I thought I'd share with you all that the rumors regarding CX not wanting to hire any Pinoys are FALSE! (Pinoy pilots I should say. Dami Pinoy flight attendants dun). Just found out a few days ago that I just got hired! Tanong ko sa kanila kung bakit wala mga Pinoy sa CX, sabi nila wala daw nag a-apply. So, duon sa mga intresado sa CX, put the app in and see what happens. If you show motivation, skill, ability, and most of all - GREAT ATTITUDE, it can be done. Sige mga tol'. Special thanks to planestupid, Cessna, Drahna.
Tanong ko sa kanila kung bakit wala mga Pinoy sa CX, sabi nila wala daw nag a-apply. So, duon sa mga intresado sa CX, put the app in and see what happens. If you show motivation, skill, ability, and most of all - GREAT ATTITUDE, it can be done. Sige mga tol'. Special thanks to planestupid, Cessna, Drahna.
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Congrats, machten! I recently got an email (4 days ago) from CX telling me to update my application with them. Just about the same time I got a phone call from EK recruitment to also update my application as they "would definitely love to have me with them" (galing ng sales talk, hehe).
Anyway, this just goes to show that Pinoy pilots are also considered for employment in these major outfits. Basta mag apply lang, and wait for their call.
In the meantime though, I'll stay with my present company and wait for the year end bonus before deciding. Hehe. Goodluck!
Anyway, this just goes to show that Pinoy pilots are also considered for employment in these major outfits. Basta mag apply lang, and wait for their call.
In the meantime though, I'll stay with my present company and wait for the year end bonus before deciding. Hehe. Goodluck!