Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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But there is, (and it might be small at the moment) light at the end of the tunnel for us.
All this negativity isnt gonna get anybody anywhere in this industry, whats so hard about being happy?
All this negativity isnt gonna get anybody anywhere in this industry, whats so hard about being happy?
But I'd rather be quailified and in debt with a chance of doing my dream job than just sat on my arse dreaming
I could bang my head against the wall until my untimely death.
You'll be sat on your arse dreaming of a pilot job whilst being in debt. Good luck with that upturn..
People will laugh at you.
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What are you ultimately trying to do make everyone not be pilots?
There are some careers you know, which you have to get in debt for, and if its your dream to do that why shouldnt you be allowed? Go for it and realise your dream.
There are some careers you know, which you have to get in debt for, and if its your dream to do that why shouldnt you be allowed? Go for it and realise your dream.
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With the fuel at $56 a barrel and the interest rate cut, I predict things moving towards a better future for all industries. But it wont be hurray hurray for atleast another 2 years. So all those starting their training now will be starting at about the right time.
But again, nothing is for certain. Little things can change big strong things.
Its not the end of the world, smile
But again, nothing is for certain. Little things can change big strong things.
Its not the end of the world, smile
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Thats the problem.... you think it is normal for students to get 30k in debt..... this is a recent phenomenom.... that is a crazy amount of cash. Didn't happen in my day when I graduated a little over 10yrs ago. I know a lot has changed but still £30k!?. What is the point in going to uni if you are going to do some pointless "social studies" degree and end up 30k in debt??
Do people think that makes them more employable?? what a joke.
The ming boggles at the crap 10 years of a labour government has pushed into peoples brains.... and that ar*ehole Gordon Brown who was the architect of the current sh*tfest the UK economy finds itself in is running around playing the hero/leader.... it is like a serial rapist running round selling himself as a women's right activist..... all of it makes me sick
HOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO FLIPPANT ABOUT £20,000-30,000 OF DEBT WHEN THEY HAVE NEVER HAD A JOB IN THEIR LIVES!!
Do they not teach financial responsibility in schools?? Ot would that be too likely to offend someone?....
RANT OVER (for now)
P.S. WWW the average age of the people you are trying to talk sense to is 18-23.... typically fresh out of school or uni.... it is quite clear from the posts above that they don't have a scooby about what is currently going on in the economy or aviation industry e.g. the pound has lost 25-30% of its value in c3 months..... (wanabees ask yourselves how you see that impacting low-cost airtravel... I won't give you the answer... you can work it out). WWW you should get a medal for the amount of flack you take from these numpties when all you are trying to do is help them.
Do people think that makes them more employable?? what a joke.
The ming boggles at the crap 10 years of a labour government has pushed into peoples brains.... and that ar*ehole Gordon Brown who was the architect of the current sh*tfest the UK economy finds itself in is running around playing the hero/leader.... it is like a serial rapist running round selling himself as a women's right activist..... all of it makes me sick
HOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO FLIPPANT ABOUT £20,000-30,000 OF DEBT WHEN THEY HAVE NEVER HAD A JOB IN THEIR LIVES!!
Do they not teach financial responsibility in schools?? Ot would that be too likely to offend someone?....
RANT OVER (for now)
P.S. WWW the average age of the people you are trying to talk sense to is 18-23.... typically fresh out of school or uni.... it is quite clear from the posts above that they don't have a scooby about what is currently going on in the economy or aviation industry e.g. the pound has lost 25-30% of its value in c3 months..... (wanabees ask yourselves how you see that impacting low-cost airtravel... I won't give you the answer... you can work it out). WWW you should get a medal for the amount of flack you take from these numpties when all you are trying to do is help them.
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There are some careers you know, which you have to get in debt for
With the greatest amount of respect I strongly disagree with that statement! What's wrong with people working for the money needed for flight training? I know lots people that have done this and during this downturn are sitting quite comfortably waiting for the upturn knowing that they haven't got any debts. I think for the past 10+ years we've been indoctrinated with the statement that "debt is ok" - no it isn't.Anyhow just my 2 pennies worth
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There are some careers you know, which you have to get in debt for, and if its your dream to do that why shouldnt you be allowed? Go for it and realise your dream.
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Even if the industry did recover and start recruiting in 2 years (which is highly unlikely IMHO) what makes people think that with their new 250hrs fATPL they would be at the front of the queue. You will be up against experienced pilots with 1000's of hours as a result of all the redundancies.
It could be years before 250hr pilots start getting hired so why the rush to get it all done in 18 months? I just dont get it
It could be years before 250hr pilots start getting hired so why the rush to get it all done in 18 months? I just dont get it
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You will be up against experienced pilots with 1000's of hours as a result of all the redundancies.
The upturn will come...
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Yes but low houred pilots cost less.
Besides, you should not be revealing commercial decisions publically on this site.
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Besides, you should not be revealing commercial decisions publically on this site.
And requires more training - which costs you real cash on OAA / GCAT training and base training.
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If what you say is true then it is indeed good news for wannabe's. However just because your airline starts recruiting people with low hours does not make my argument rubbish.
The natural progression that occurs from small TP operators who have traditionally recruited low houred pilots, to larger airlines operating jets, must surely be affected by a large number of qualified & experienced jet rated pilots being immediately available.
If what you say is true then it is indeed good news for wannabe's. However just because your airline starts recruiting people with low hours does not make my argument rubbish.
The natural progression that occurs from small TP operators who have traditionally recruited low houred pilots, to larger airlines operating jets, must surely be affected by a large number of qualified & experienced jet rated pilots being immediately available.
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Originally Posted by WWW
I could bang my head against the wall until my untimely death.
You'll be sat on your arse dreaming of a pilot job whilst being in debt. Good luck with that upturn..
People will laugh at you.
You'll be sat on your arse dreaming of a pilot job whilst being in debt. Good luck with that upturn..
People will laugh at you.
Would make you quite a rude disrespectful man if you did.
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You dont make your point any better by being rude, it just gets peoples back up and then they spend the money
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Do they not teach financial responsibility in schools
Were all immature school leavers then?! I admit I've just left 6th form. i studied economics I know all about recessions and inflation and the lark so I can make my own decision about finances thanks, oh and with the help of my mother who works in finance, and my grandfather who was a CEO at a large finance company, they can help me to plan out financial arrangements. And I've worked also. In an airport in fact. Get to speak to alot of people find out alot of stuff. Its not too glim at the moment!
Anyway, I'll follow my dream. I'm not going to give up because times are hard.
This website is depressing.
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This website is depressing.
Here are two examples:
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...jobs-then.html
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...eep-wound.html
Please mate, for your own sake mate, read this website very carefully and try accepting the truth. This is how life is.
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I work in the finance department at Virgin Atlantic and we are looking into a few options with regards to cutting our costs and one of the many ideas being tossed around is to introduce a route for low houred pilots and possbily even a mentored type scheme.
OLD NEWS!!!! This story came out back in 2006. Havent seen any cadets since...
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I work in the finance department at Virgin Atlantic and we are looking into a few options with regards to cutting our costs and one of the many ideas being tossed around is to introduce a route for low houred pilots and possbily even a mentored type scheme.
At least then I know which ones are piloted by the 'cheap' option and thus which ones to avoid!
Another nail in the coffin of our profession one feels.
Airlines run from the back room by accountants with no idea of how the customer values experience!
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benish...
And I've worked also. In an airport in fact. Get to speak to alot of people find out alot of stuff. Its not too glim at the moment!
I'm sorry, but if you believe that, you really have absolutely no idea about this industry at all. Talk to any commercial pilot at the moment, they will ALL have friends who have already lost their job this year, or are fearful of losing it shortly.
And it's not just losing the job, it's taking effective pay cuts, working harder, or accepting reduced T & C's.
To say "it's not too glim at the moment" is just total and uniformed crap that highlights your naievety.
No one wants to stop anyone from getting into this industry, but you have to open your eyes and be honest with yourself - the country financially is in a s**t state, and it is going to get pretty bad for all of us before it starts to (slowly) get better - try 2010 for a starter.
If this is a re-run of the last recession then expect 1,800 experienced pilots out of work in the UK within a year and Wannabe prospects to be virtually nil for five years.
Those whom are ignorant of history have no comprehension of the future.
This recession is happening almost twice as fast as the previous one. House prices have fallen further and in less time. Sterling has fallen faster and further already. Unemployment rates are rising more steeply. Therefore there is very little reason to think that this recession is going to be milder, shorter or less painful than the last recession.
In my opinion it will be worse.
Protect yourselves.
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Those whom are ignorant of history have no comprehension of the future.
This recession is happening almost twice as fast as the previous one. House prices have fallen further and in less time. Sterling has fallen faster and further already. Unemployment rates are rising more steeply. Therefore there is very little reason to think that this recession is going to be milder, shorter or less painful than the last recession.
In my opinion it will be worse.
Protect yourselves.
WWW
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There is an argument that says someone starting out in any new career is going to have difficulty in the coming years; the problem is not unique to aviation. Of course some career choices attract more risk and debt than others.
If you want to be as recession proof as some encourage, you need to go to medical school. The only problems there are that:
a. You need to be intelligent
b. By the time you graduate we will be well out of the recession.
c. You'll still be in massive debt.
Oh, as an alternative you could spend the next 5 years reading, and re-reading WWWs incessant, one line message. This is really getting tedious.
If you want to be as recession proof as some encourage, you need to go to medical school. The only problems there are that:
a. You need to be intelligent
b. By the time you graduate we will be well out of the recession.
c. You'll still be in massive debt.
Oh, as an alternative you could spend the next 5 years reading, and re-reading WWWs incessant, one line message. This is really getting tedious.