Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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To quote the CTC we site..
'The purpose of this bond is to provide security to APL during training in the event that we are unable to place you with a partner Airline for whatever reason'
The 'whatever' bit is a catch all get out if you ask me!
'The purpose of this bond is to provide security to APL during training in the event that we are unable to place you with a partner Airline for whatever reason'
The 'whatever' bit is a catch all get out if you ask me!
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The "providing security" part, does this mean financial help or what ? Not quite sure how the CTC bonds work, do they start repayment straight after training or once a placement is found ?
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All is explained (clearly to give them their due), on the CTC web site under 'financial'.
The point of my post was to see if anyone knew if the cadets who are (rightly) getting so excited about starting there courses, are doing so against a history of 100% placement from recent courses, given the current climate.
The marketing hype gives the impression that it's a shoe in, but is it just that easy right now?...I doubt it, but,.. I my be wrong!
I know my own company won't look at anyone under 1000hrs right now, and as last I heard, we ain't even thinking about looking.
The point of my post was to see if anyone knew if the cadets who are (rightly) getting so excited about starting there courses, are doing so against a history of 100% placement from recent courses, given the current climate.
The marketing hype gives the impression that it's a shoe in, but is it just that easy right now?...I doubt it, but,.. I my be wrong!
I know my own company won't look at anyone under 1000hrs right now, and as last I heard, we ain't even thinking about looking.
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That CTC game is a bit addictive.......that's the closest I'll be getting to a LHS for many years to come!!! 
Haven't read the CTC thread although I did meet up with an old freind who went through CTC and landed well and truly on their feet at the end....aparantly her airline has just released some of their CTC cadets as have squeezyjet
Haven't read the CTC thread although I did meet up with an old freind who went through CTC and landed well and truly on their feet at the end....aparantly her airline has just released some of their CTC cadets as have squeezyjet
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On the plus side my local paper carried an ad saying that Mrs McGilvary of 28 Acacia Avenue requires a woman in three mornings a week! Its not all bad folks
Rolls-Royce plans 2,000 job cuts
http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7739026.stm
..but it doesnt matter because it's your dream and you can fly an aircraft without any engines! It'll fly on determination alone.
Wow, I've made myself feel sick
..but it doesnt matter because it's your dream and you can fly an aircraft without any engines! It'll fly on determination alone.
Wow, I've made myself feel sick
Wrote Rod Wren of CTC:
Yes Rod. I am.
This is a major recession.
WWW
I seem to remember, WWW, that was just the time that I launched the CTC cadet scheme, and all the cadets of that era got jobs. Were you as confident in your predictions of doom and gloom then as you are now?
This is a major recession.
WWW
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When all's said and done every single FTO is there for one reason and one reason only....to make money! So they will always be out to sell as many courses as possible. Morality hasn't really got anything to do with it, they are a business and that's that.
Every FTO will be looking at ways to survive these pants coming months rather than thinking about how they can place students in jobs.
Every FTO will be looking at ways to survive these pants coming months rather than thinking about how they can place students in jobs.
Ok. But here's where morality, marketing, business, courses, wannabes, reality and free speech meet.
Its often not been pretty..
WWW
Its often not been pretty..
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Apologies WWW, hadn't seen the rest of your post before replying, hence the edit.
As I said, every FTO is now worrying about survival. I guess CTC are stuck between a moral obligation not to
anyone over but at the same time making sure that they're still around in a year's time.
The only benefit to students at the moment is that training costs should start to come down a bit but that's only likely to favour those who already have the funds in place to do it.
As I said, every FTO is now worrying about survival. I guess CTC are stuck between a moral obligation not to
anyone over but at the same time making sure that they're still around in a year's time.The only benefit to students at the moment is that training costs should start to come down a bit but that's only likely to favour those who already have the funds in place to do it.
I guess the future reduction in training costs is much like the reduction in the cost of petrol. Yes, they should come down but they probably wont!
As long as ill informed men and women pursue flight training there will always be a supply to match demand, whatever the price.
As long as ill informed men and women pursue flight training there will always be a supply to match demand, whatever the price.
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WWW, using that same argument, are you suggesting that Airlines stop flying and advise potential customers not to fly as they are already too indebted and probably don't really need to fly anyway!
...........the morality of it all!!!
...........the morality of it all!!!
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Re; WWW's post #1328
Nice one!
I don't jump on the doom and gloom shenanigans, been here before, but to all wannabes, curb the enthusiasm and put the brakes on for 2 years at least...do not listen to flying school marketing spin...I just despair...!!
Lots more to come commercially in the UK between now and May 2009, and I don't think it'll be good!
Do you think Mrs McGilvary is fussy about it been a woman?! Send her my CV anyway...
I don't jump on the doom and gloom shenanigans, been here before, but to all wannabes, curb the enthusiasm and put the brakes on for 2 years at least...do not listen to flying school marketing spin...I just despair...!!
Lots more to come commercially in the UK between now and May 2009, and I don't think it'll be good!
...local paper carried an ad saying that Mrs McGilvary of 28 Acacia Avenue requires a woman in three mornings a week!
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JB007,
Whilst not been affilated to a training organisation, I have yet to see any posts from any training school on here defending their corner from the continuing patronising nonsense spouted by yourself and the welsh wizard. Please change your condescending attitude to the people who might actually want a career in aviation. One would assume these people do have a degree of common sense and understand the economic crisis we are in at the moment. Itf the schools do react all I can see is their marketing budgets been pulled and in the end the likes of yourself and WWW will be preaching sermons to each other.
WWW,
Reference my last post, I have never threatened anyone before and in my advanced years am not going to start now, so grow up.
With regards to your flying experience you stated it was all military and your current training capt that thought you all you know!!!! does this mean you are still in the raf
as my limited understanding would suggest you need to convert your military licence to a professional licence therefore using an fto????
Finally for your info RYR are basing two more 737's at eghh and no not for parking purposes either!!!
Whilst not been affilated to a training organisation, I have yet to see any posts from any training school on here defending their corner from the continuing patronising nonsense spouted by yourself and the welsh wizard. Please change your condescending attitude to the people who might actually want a career in aviation. One would assume these people do have a degree of common sense and understand the economic crisis we are in at the moment. Itf the schools do react all I can see is their marketing budgets been pulled and in the end the likes of yourself and WWW will be preaching sermons to each other.
WWW,
Reference my last post, I have never threatened anyone before and in my advanced years am not going to start now, so grow up.
With regards to your flying experience you stated it was all military and your current training capt that thought you all you know!!!! does this mean you are still in the raf
as my limited understanding would suggest you need to convert your military licence to a professional licence therefore using an fto????
Finally for your info RYR are basing two more 737's at eghh and no not for parking purposes either!!!
biaeghh - can you please clear up the mystery of what you do for a living at Bournemouth airport? Is it *something* connected to the flying training industry? Or are you really an unemployed CPL/IR as you list in your profile?
From you posting history it seems so but its hard to figure out..
Nearly half your total posts have been on this thread and most of them have been sniping at my views. Do you want to call me and get it off your chest? You might feel better.
WWW
From you posting history it seems so but its hard to figure out..
Nearly half your total posts have been on this thread and most of them have been sniping at my views. Do you want to call me and get it off your chest? You might feel better.
WWW
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...the continuing patronising nonsense spouted by yourself and the welsh wizard.
Please change your condescending attitude to the people who might actually want a career in aviation.
So, come on, what's your story?! PM if you like...