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pick me pick me pick me
Please please, can I pick some of the managers that should go.
There are a couple of those ex-Ansett managers that have wriggled their way into QE. They tried their stuff in another life and failed, tried it again in this life and still failed.
Then, there are also a couple that seem to come back as a consultant for what ever reason, telling eveyone how to work certain rosters that will save the company millions only to be circumvented anyway, costing the QF loads and loads.
( whoops, also ex-Ansett)
Then, we have the certain arrogant manager that discrimnates against people from a western continent and gets away with it, it seems that the discrimination policy doesn't hold creedance.
There must be a fall guy from all of this? An industrial dispute which has cost the company squillions, complete trashing of a world famous brand, distrust generated (remembered n never forgotten) of the srtike breakers and forceful managers.
SSSShhhh...... Dont tell anyone I would have accepted 2% if the managers that are the ego-fed non-performers got the bullet (there is more than 1 of them). Oh well looks like most of them are bullet-proof, so I will have to accept what ever the exec worked hard to gain for us all, because utopia is only a fantasy that cant be reached.
Roll on Monday, well done everyone for holding it together, lets give the exec a go, wait n see how the figures stack up.
only 3 sleeps to go
There are a couple of those ex-Ansett managers that have wriggled their way into QE. They tried their stuff in another life and failed, tried it again in this life and still failed.
Then, there are also a couple that seem to come back as a consultant for what ever reason, telling eveyone how to work certain rosters that will save the company millions only to be circumvented anyway, costing the QF loads and loads.
( whoops, also ex-Ansett)Then, we have the certain arrogant manager that discrimnates against people from a western continent and gets away with it, it seems that the discrimination policy doesn't hold creedance.
There must be a fall guy from all of this? An industrial dispute which has cost the company squillions, complete trashing of a world famous brand, distrust generated (remembered n never forgotten) of the srtike breakers and forceful managers.
SSSShhhh...... Dont tell anyone I would have accepted 2% if the managers that are the ego-fed non-performers got the bullet (there is more than 1 of them). Oh well looks like most of them are bullet-proof, so I will have to accept what ever the exec worked hard to gain for us all, because utopia is only a fantasy that cant be reached.
Roll on Monday, well done everyone for holding it together, lets give the exec a go, wait n see how the figures stack up.
only 3 sleeps to go
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I can't believe the reception i recieved at the
newsagents, iga and bottleshop on the way home from work.
Qantas have shot themselves in the foot with their media.
The average australian now seems to despise the
Qantas management more than the staff.
newsagents, iga and bottleshop on the way home from work.
Qantas have shot themselves in the foot with their media.
The average australian now seems to despise the
Qantas management more than the staff.
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Just bring on the VR, there are hundreds of LAME's just waiting to take it.
Trouble is Qantas can't let all of us go.
Reality is with all of us working, but no overtime, the airline has CRASHED!
Ask any passenger that has flown with Qantas over the last 6 months. It is a very poor show.
GD, DC & Engineering Upper & Lower Management have a very big price to pay, but they won't......
Trouble is Qantas can't let all of us go.
Reality is with all of us working, but no overtime, the airline has CRASHED!
Ask any passenger that has flown with Qantas over the last 6 months. It is a very poor show.
GD, DC & Engineering Upper & Lower Management have a very big price to pay, but they won't......
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I Hope We are Not Being Hoodwinked Again
If It's 3% Vote NO
I have been informed that the approval by our union just got over the line marginally.
We have been through this crap before and there are a lot of people out there that are not impressed one bit.
Nothing has changed, so lets put it to an vote so that the company knows that we are really pissed off and serious about this, and then apply AGAIN for PIA
The ALAEA has tried it's best for us and I feel it has not succeeded with our cause and our directions.
They have had there hands tied at every turn and the company have just railroaded them again.
When GD says that it is within the company wage guidelines, that to me means 3%.
Even if you get a grade on top of that it means that you will reach stagnation at quota levels that are topped out.
Don't fall for the bu77sh1t.
August 16th means another years of service point that you may not be able to use.
An Agreement In Principle means absolutely nothing until we vote on it.
And also until the pilots vote on their Agreement In Principle
Stay strong and don't fall for the spin.
I have been informed that the approval by our union just got over the line marginally.
We have been through this crap before and there are a lot of people out there that are not impressed one bit.
Nothing has changed, so lets put it to an vote so that the company knows that we are really pissed off and serious about this, and then apply AGAIN for PIA
The ALAEA has tried it's best for us and I feel it has not succeeded with our cause and our directions.
They have had there hands tied at every turn and the company have just railroaded them again.
When GD says that it is within the company wage guidelines, that to me means 3%.
Even if you get a grade on top of that it means that you will reach stagnation at quota levels that are topped out.
Don't fall for the bu77sh1t.
August 16th means another years of service point that you may not be able to use.
An Agreement In Principle means absolutely nothing until we vote on it.
And also until the pilots vote on their Agreement In Principle
Stay strong and don't fall for the spin.
Steve, go and have some family time knowing the troops trust you!
You and all the Bexley boys and girls deserve it!
As for the doubters.. how about waiting and seeing rather than speculating???
You and all the Bexley boys and girls deserve it!
As for the doubters.. how about waiting and seeing rather than speculating???
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Happy to put in when I can. One thing that I have noted in the last six months having seen the words and actions of individuals and what is real and what is not -
The men have now been sorted out from the boys and the results have been extremely surprising.
Back the footy.
cheers
The men have now been sorted out from the boys and the results have been extremely surprising.
Back the footy.
cheers
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My thoughts....
If you all check the latest press releases from QF they do differ, albeit insignificantly.
The AIPA EBA ” This is a significant agreement that locks in the company's 3 per cent per annum wages policy for a further five years, until 2013”. The ALEA EBA “terms of the agreement remain confidential until next week, but they are within the framework of our wages policy.”. I know they are only words but think of this. As an AME/LAME you work and certify within QF policy, however you also work and certify within the ‘framework’ of the CASA regulations. As I said, they are only words but can mean different things. What we do need to do is read what we are given and digest. I would assume that the reason the dreaded “3%’” wasn’t mentioned was for good reason, further industrial action by the ALAEA members.
On Monday, put our present situation in perspective. You won’t get managers heads on a platter or stick (however much people desire that). You won’t see much at all looking at it from within, if blinded by desire. What we asked for was a fair pay increase for a fair days work. We can’t afford to complicate the issue with other wants. Keep in mind that recent managers have wanted to devalue the AME/LAME license. By getting some people to sell their souls for 200k/annum and putting them through a ‘few weeks’ schooling, they hoped to make our license a superfluous piece of paper. Keep in mind that they were playing pawns with the people who pay, not only our wages, but those that manage above us. However through resilience and sheer determinedness we have now got to this point, not without suffering though. We owe our thanks to all the executive and the Bexley staff, however without the understanding of everyone (passengers, pilots, flight attendants, ground staff, all….) we would not be here now. It would seem that everyone else was listening except those of the intelligent space.
On Monday read what is presented and digest. We have been at the table with an in-principle agreement before. That was voted down, and so be it if it happens again Monday. If it gets voted down it will be because it doesn’t represent what we have taken the PIA for. However, think of this. What we have achieved? I believe it is thus. The management had to stop taking us for granted. Many of you have used the word respect before, but remember respect is a two way street. Maybe it is just me, but what I seem to be reading is that after all the bluff and bluster by QF, THEY had to come to us to resolve the issue, not us to them, That in itself is worth more to me than gold bullion. Don’t ‘Maintain the Rage until Monday’. Certainly ‘Maintain the Rage.. with respect’. What we need to do is MAINTAIN THE RESOLVE that got us to this point. RAGE is temporary, RESOLVE is permanent.
Long live the LAME…
The AIPA EBA ” This is a significant agreement that locks in the company's 3 per cent per annum wages policy for a further five years, until 2013”. The ALEA EBA “terms of the agreement remain confidential until next week, but they are within the framework of our wages policy.”. I know they are only words but think of this. As an AME/LAME you work and certify within QF policy, however you also work and certify within the ‘framework’ of the CASA regulations. As I said, they are only words but can mean different things. What we do need to do is read what we are given and digest. I would assume that the reason the dreaded “3%’” wasn’t mentioned was for good reason, further industrial action by the ALAEA members.
On Monday, put our present situation in perspective. You won’t get managers heads on a platter or stick (however much people desire that). You won’t see much at all looking at it from within, if blinded by desire. What we asked for was a fair pay increase for a fair days work. We can’t afford to complicate the issue with other wants. Keep in mind that recent managers have wanted to devalue the AME/LAME license. By getting some people to sell their souls for 200k/annum and putting them through a ‘few weeks’ schooling, they hoped to make our license a superfluous piece of paper. Keep in mind that they were playing pawns with the people who pay, not only our wages, but those that manage above us. However through resilience and sheer determinedness we have now got to this point, not without suffering though. We owe our thanks to all the executive and the Bexley staff, however without the understanding of everyone (passengers, pilots, flight attendants, ground staff, all….) we would not be here now. It would seem that everyone else was listening except those of the intelligent space.
On Monday read what is presented and digest. We have been at the table with an in-principle agreement before. That was voted down, and so be it if it happens again Monday. If it gets voted down it will be because it doesn’t represent what we have taken the PIA for. However, think of this. What we have achieved? I believe it is thus. The management had to stop taking us for granted. Many of you have used the word respect before, but remember respect is a two way street. Maybe it is just me, but what I seem to be reading is that after all the bluff and bluster by QF, THEY had to come to us to resolve the issue, not us to them, That in itself is worth more to me than gold bullion. Don’t ‘Maintain the Rage until Monday’. Certainly ‘Maintain the Rage.. with respect’. What we need to do is MAINTAIN THE RESOLVE that got us to this point. RAGE is temporary, RESOLVE is permanent.
Long live the LAME…
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You rabble do not deserve to have a job
Can you please read the last post by Division1. ( idiot who amazes)
I really have never seen a person that can better represent ALAEA idiots
The ombudsman is still in play
Mandearo and his friends are up sh!t creek, WHO ARE HIS FRIENDS?
Any normal person reading the posts after the announcement can deduce that QF engineers are idiots
Can you please read the last post by Division1. ( idiot who amazes)
I really have never seen a person that can better represent ALAEA idiots
The ombudsman is still in play
Mandearo and his friends are up sh!t creek, WHO ARE HIS FRIENDS?
Any normal person reading the posts after the announcement can deduce that QF engineers are idiots
Quote Emal140;
Couldn't agree more Emal. Be patient and wait till Monday. Look for a good deal and if its there, vote it up, otherwise vote accordingly. Are we all to go back to doing what we were before this PIA, filling holes in systems and making things work with the risk of punishment when things didn't? I believe "Maintaining the Resolve" will become a part of every QF LAMEs toolbox well into the future. We do not want to go through this again at EBA9. We want the Managers to remember our contribution well into the future, not just until the EBA8 vote.
On Monday read what is presented and digest. We have been at the table with an in-principle agreement before. That was voted down, and so be it if it happens again Monday. If it gets voted down it will be because it doesn’t represent what we have taken the PIA for. However, think of this. What we have achieved? I believe it is thus. The management had to stop taking us for granted. Many of you have used the word respect before, but remember respect is a two way street. Maybe it is just me, but what I seem to be reading is that after all the bluff and bluster by QF, THEY had to come to us to resolve the issue, not us to them, That in itself is worth more to me than gold bullion. Don’t ‘Maintain the Rage until Monday’. Certainly ‘Maintain the Rage.. with respect’. What we need to do is MAINTAIN THE RESOLVE that got us to this point. RAGE is temporary, RESOLVE is permanent.
Couldn't agree more Emal. Be patient and wait till Monday. Look for a good deal and if its there, vote it up, otherwise vote accordingly. Are we all to go back to doing what we were before this PIA, filling holes in systems and making things work with the risk of punishment when things didn't? I believe "Maintaining the Resolve" will become a part of every QF LAMEs toolbox well into the future. We do not want to go through this again at EBA9. We want the Managers to remember our contribution well into the future, not just until the EBA8 vote.
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Thanks a big one to our Fed Exec for all your hard work.
From the beginning most of us would have accepted 3% plus a grade increase or 3% plus a big bonus. We shouldn't be as hung up on the number 5 just as the company is hung up about the number 3. The difference between 5% and 3% is not much. 5% was just the figure so we could obtain PIA. Everytime we stop for 4 hours thats 0.5 % we give back to the company. Will it be worth it to fight on to achieve a number.
If the offer is 3 plus something nice for all of us lets take it. I think we would have aceived our goal and this to get something more than the "3% and nothing else take it or leave it" offer. We have seen how the company is willing to commit suicide to hold their 3% lets not kill ourselves by trying to acheive a number. Some of us still want to work here after this is settled. I have supported our Exec from the beginning and I will support their decision now. They have had this under control from day 1 and if they think its a fair offer we should support that. They are in the best position to decide what they think is best.
Again thanks to our leaders you have done us proud.And to 99% of my fellow members.The proudest years of ALAEA. I reckon any leftover money in the fighting fund should go to them so they can take their families out to dinner or on holidays as a gift of thanks from the members.
From the beginning most of us would have accepted 3% plus a grade increase or 3% plus a big bonus. We shouldn't be as hung up on the number 5 just as the company is hung up about the number 3. The difference between 5% and 3% is not much. 5% was just the figure so we could obtain PIA. Everytime we stop for 4 hours thats 0.5 % we give back to the company. Will it be worth it to fight on to achieve a number.
If the offer is 3 plus something nice for all of us lets take it. I think we would have aceived our goal and this to get something more than the "3% and nothing else take it or leave it" offer. We have seen how the company is willing to commit suicide to hold their 3% lets not kill ourselves by trying to acheive a number. Some of us still want to work here after this is settled. I have supported our Exec from the beginning and I will support their decision now. They have had this under control from day 1 and if they think its a fair offer we should support that. They are in the best position to decide what they think is best.
Again thanks to our leaders you have done us proud.And to 99% of my fellow members.The proudest years of ALAEA. I reckon any leftover money in the fighting fund should go to them so they can take their families out to dinner or on holidays as a gift of thanks from the members.
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EBA finally fixed
What kind of union makes an announcement as important as this via an internet forum????? Thought the union's website or an urgent email to members might be the way to go??????
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think a bit....
Why would people rush back to o/t?
Hopefully the o/t sluts have found there is a life outside QF.
But i suspect they rush in headlong, now there is no PIA..
The problem is, they are usually the same people who bitch and moan about no getting type training etc.
Through their excessive o/t they merely fill large holes that are present due to mis management.
Others are right, we have been here before.
How quickly we forget.
The devil is in the details.
Lets wait and see what the devil is.......
Hopefully the o/t sluts have found there is a life outside QF.
But i suspect they rush in headlong, now there is no PIA..
The problem is, they are usually the same people who bitch and moan about no getting type training etc.
Through their excessive o/t they merely fill large holes that are present due to mis management.
Others are right, we have been here before.
How quickly we forget.
The devil is in the details.
Lets wait and see what the devil is.......
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Take Five - "I Hope We are Not Being Hoodwinked Again"
You strike me as a person who would join a club and and then spend all their time complaining. I think SP and the boys have done a fantastic job and should be applauded and not ridiculed.
You strike me as a person who would join a club and and then spend all their time complaining. I think SP and the boys have done a fantastic job and should be applauded and not ridiculed.
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ops managers
I hope that when all the dust is settled that the new ops managers are remembered for the ther lack of moral fibre in appying for a job that was basically set up as to break the dispute.It would be a shame if they were the first of the shedding of management types.
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I reckon any leftover money in the fighting fund should go to them so they can take their families out to dinner or on holidays as a gift of thanks from the members
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The association has done a good job but if anyone thinks that we are getting more than 3% their kidding themselves. The company has already said that it is within their wages policy, so lets hope their are some sweetners there.