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I don't get it? Why would you end this with anything short of 5% You were winning! All you had to do was wait! What changed?
I suppose we are all jumping the gun until we see what's on offer, but SP's comment about "if you can do better" is very telling. I wonder what happened in those meetings this week? It appeared that the rank and file were prepared for it to go longer and more intense.
If it's a headline 3%, then I can't see what you guys have won, but all thanks to the boys and girls at Bexley for your efforts anyway.
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Hi Kotoyebe,
That remark by SP was probably off the cuff and likely the result of too much work not enough sleep and a reaction to gun jumping by some posters.I would not like to be reading too much into that.
The alaea update (is what matters)and says ALL lame's will receive remuneration in line with internal targets set by the executive.Remuneration is money/pay or salary.
I dont give a stuff how its structured, if its money in my pocket and its around the right number I'll take it.The super bit will likely stay but it MUST include all in a fair manner.
We all have some bad blood here and high expectations considering what has been said and done by q management but need to be prepared to cut our people some slack in the offer structure if the gains are real.
Workplace legislation is still pretty skewed to the employer and there are limits both legally and politically.
That remark by SP was probably off the cuff and likely the result of too much work not enough sleep and a reaction to gun jumping by some posters.I would not like to be reading too much into that.
The alaea update (is what matters)and says ALL lame's will receive remuneration in line with internal targets set by the executive.Remuneration is money/pay or salary.
I dont give a stuff how its structured, if its money in my pocket and its around the right number I'll take it.The super bit will likely stay but it MUST include all in a fair manner.
We all have some bad blood here and high expectations considering what has been said and done by q management but need to be prepared to cut our people some slack in the offer structure if the gains are real.
Workplace legislation is still pretty skewed to the employer and there are limits both legally and politically.
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another thing to read into
Also another thing to read into is that FOG made the remark of the pilots agreement being (3%). Our agreement was only ever refered to as being within the companys (wage guidelines) so by him saying not (3%) is something that we must be patient for.
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We are all too impatient.
We need to wait till Monday to see the offer.
It will be some time before we even vote on it and then we will have to wait to see the out come of the vote.
The only way the deal will happen is if the majority of LAME’s vote it in because they like it.
If the majority of us don’t like it, we vote NO. Simple.
SP and the Fed Exec have done a sensational job. Thanks.
I know if they are on the ballet papers for the next ALAEA elections, they all have my vote again.
We need to wait till Monday to see the offer.
It will be some time before we even vote on it and then we will have to wait to see the out come of the vote.
The only way the deal will happen is if the majority of LAME’s vote it in because they like it.
If the majority of us don’t like it, we vote NO. Simple.
SP and the Fed Exec have done a sensational job. Thanks.
I know if they are on the ballet papers for the next ALAEA elections, they all have my vote again.
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Maintain the Resolve..
Guys, whatever the agreement tabled, it will be voted on democratically and will result in it getting up or thrown out. I believe the former. If QF come to us for a solution you know they were in a situation they couldn't control. What I hope is that whatever the result we have gone so far with this campaign, we don't want to let our solidarity and determination dissolve. Even if the outcome is accepted, we need to keep ourselves focused on EBA9, it is only 24 months away (if it is backdated). I would put a sure bet that QF will not let themselves be caught with their pants down again. To me, what is important is how we carry ourselves between now and the next EBA. Just because we seem to have had the upper hand this time doesn't mean we will next time. People, management and CEO's learn by their mistakes.
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If it was 3% or 3% plus 1% super do you think anyone could stop FOG from boasting about it? Wait until Monday. "In line with company renumeration policy" allows FOG to keep face. It wont be an newsworthy item when all the numbers are added up. Remember the wage freeze and technology points?
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thosecotos, Would you care to expand this comment? Sorry I'm a bit tired and maybe the logic is staring me in the face, but could you please humour me just this once?
i think Elperro is 103% correct..Why would SP make a comment such as " if you think you could do better" You guys and girls have made yourselves look like a bunch of wankers if you accept 3%, no matter what the shiny bits are like, if there is any.
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Wage freeze, you got training points instead...Took most people up a grade or got them 3yrs closer if they had just moved up..Not as if we got nothing..
for some yes,everyone else that come onto the LAME pay scale after that they got nothing..
for some yes,everyone else that come onto the LAME pay scale after that they got nothing..
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My fellow engineers,inflation is currently at 4.2% and with Kevin Rudd's carbon
tax coming into play it is expected to add another 0.9% to inflation.That totals to 5.1% and if we except any lower we will be well and truly behind the eight ball.
5% AND NOTHING LESS
tax coming into play it is expected to add another 0.9% to inflation.That totals to 5.1% and if we except any lower we will be well and truly behind the eight ball.
5% AND NOTHING LESS
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Don't you just love those people who come out of the woodwork to throw in their little cheap shots and then run away back into anonymity? Classy stuff! 
I suppose it takes real courage to do that... and you call us losers?
Guys let's not jump the gun. We haven't even seen the document for goodness sake! Just be patient and wait until tomorrow when curiousity will be quenched. Then as many have said..if you don't like it vote no. This is still a democracy.
I suppose it takes real courage to do that... and you call us losers?
Guys let's not jump the gun. We haven't even seen the document for goodness sake! Just be patient and wait until tomorrow when curiousity will be quenched. Then as many have said..if you don't like it vote no. This is still a democracy.
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I'll be happy if its 3% + sweeteners, and think SP and the boys have done a great job. However, I would like to continue the OT bans as a vote of no-confidence in the current engineering management, and keep on untill they resign!!
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Reality
Tomorrow's release is as important as any announcement in our union's history.
When our requests and needs have been adequately addressed in the opinion of +50% of our membership, we as a democratic entity will have prevailed.
If it is voted down, the referral of a second in principle agreement to a loyal and compliant membership for rejection would be akin to a vote of no confidence.
So, to all, think long and hard how it is you shall vote.
When our requests and needs have been adequately addressed in the opinion of +50% of our membership, we as a democratic entity will have prevailed.
If it is voted down, the referral of a second in principle agreement to a loyal and compliant membership for rejection would be akin to a vote of no confidence.
So, to all, think long and hard how it is you shall vote.
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Originally Posted by Acute Instinct
.....So, to all, think long and hard how it is you shall vote.
If PresentPay + PayIncrease >= PresentPay + 5% then Vote = YES : ELSE Vote = NO
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Could you, in simple english terms outline your lowest denomination for acceptance. To engage an obviously conservative individual at this late stage could prove to be invaluable. If its not going to get your vote, at least the exec could just turn their backs and leave the rubbish on the table before any announcements.
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I have read posts regarding the pilots EBA discussing a complete overhaul of the document with new pay structures, conditions and pay rates. Would it be naive to think this may be on the cards for this EBA. The simplification would be a step forward but is the trust there to embrace a complete new EBA. Everything else they have changed hasn't exactly bought them unanimous praise.