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To the people in Cairns with morals,let the boys who have been soaking up the overtim
just got off the net and realised the ramp is empty. i''ve now decided to change the circle of friends i choose to be around. sniggi and his subordinate pastor showbags promised me another tree hug but no one wants to share my canoe. i need a union rep moose. anybody listening....
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There is nothing official because there are only 24 hours in a day. Please all give us some space to breath. The post I put on pprune was not 0913 it was 0913z or 1813Local.
Have been in metings, negotiations yesterday 0800-2230. Today 0800-1800. I had my breakfast at 2100 tonight after I put my kids that I hadn't seen for 3 days to bed.
A notice could not be released from our office because it was after hours (simple one takes about 1.5 hours to prepare). With a notice comes 50 calls from the press, another 5 hours that I don't have, and makes no difference to the outcome of the EBA.
Everyone will see it from Monday when all the i's are crossed and the t's are dotted (because anyone can make mistakes).
Have been in metings, negotiations yesterday 0800-2230. Today 0800-1800. I had my breakfast at 2100 tonight after I put my kids that I hadn't seen for 3 days to bed.
A notice could not be released from our office because it was after hours (simple one takes about 1.5 hours to prepare). With a notice comes 50 calls from the press, another 5 hours that I don't have, and makes no difference to the outcome of the EBA.
Everyone will see it from Monday when all the i's are crossed and the t's are dotted (because anyone can make mistakes).
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Even if this agreement falls over like the last one, due to Qantas's underhand tactics, don't for a minute think that your and the execs efforts are not appreciated.
I'm sure getting all the EBA details agreed to would take time, but getting a couple of heads onto that silver platter, that would have been the difficult job.
However, with the amount of time lost with the family this school holidays, I can't see much changing until the FOG clears next week.
I'm sure getting all the EBA details agreed to would take time, but getting a couple of heads onto that silver platter, that would have been the difficult job.
However, with the amount of time lost with the family this school holidays, I can't see much changing until the FOG clears next week.
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Suspicious...
The price of oil starts to drop dramatically and all of a sudden, after 18 months "negotiation", chicken little wants to make a deal with us and the pilots.
Still waiting to see that ASX profit downgrade...
Still waiting to see that ASX profit downgrade...
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Have been in metings, negotiations yesterday 0800-2230. Today 0800-1800. I had my breakfast at 2100 tonight after I put my kids that I hadn't seen for 3 days to bed.
YES, we've been close before and had the rug pulled out from under us, so of course we're scepticle. (the sceptic in me thinks that FOG, M and his henchmen could be hatching a ploy to come to an agreement that sounds good verbally, which has us return to overtime to "clear the backlog" whilst they draw it up. This of course would go some way to buying them time to go down the same pathetic path and then change all the wording of the agreement when it comes to putting it in black and white). Might I just suggest that as there is no official announcement from either Q or the Association (and believe it or not - not all LAME's have access to, or even read "The prune") that everyone continue as per normal with no O/T and await the outcome of Monday's announcement.
Now would seem the time to holster our pistol's BUT of course keep them cocked and ready to fire if need be. We have banded together, with our Association officials as our figurehead and it would seem that something that is palatable to US, the membership(and guardians of Q's aircraft safety), is floating on the wind.
Why don't we all turn off the computer(hard I know), take it easy over the weekend (whether at work or not) and await the notice on Monday.
United we stand.
and remember............
"To undertake, supervise and certify for the safety of all who fly"
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Not sure why the leadership is so secretive. They should tell you guys that a 3% outcome was achieved.
unfortunately they need 4 days to find words to say it.
bad luck guys!
unfortunately they need 4 days to find words to say it.
bad luck guys!
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New Agreement
I live in hope that Qantas will deliver the goods this time.............
But I find it hard to believe that this is not just another delaying tatic from the company, on the other hand I also find it hard to believe that the FedSec doesn't know the depth of feeling we have, and would accept a second-rate offer.
The question I would like answered ASAP is have we "officially" withdrawn our PIA....I.E, if we want to do anything else do we have to do the whole voting thing again ?
We wait and see.
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But I find it hard to believe that this is not just another delaying tatic from the company, on the other hand I also find it hard to believe that the FedSec doesn't know the depth of feeling we have, and would accept a second-rate offer.
The question I would like answered ASAP is have we "officially" withdrawn our PIA....I.E, if we want to do anything else do we have to do the whole voting thing again ?
We wait and see.
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I think Flugbegleiter put it niceley once, forget the exact wording, but he basically said that even if the LAME's get 5%, they wil not be happy unless there is a big change in management.
1) Dixon. take an early retirement please.
2) Cox, thanks for assisting the LAME's with your bumbling, un-professional performance last year on today tonight but please, exit stage door left.
3) Murray Harris. You have done absolutely nothing to strengthen the relationship that QF management have with its staff. I hear they are building a railway in calcutta. Stick to what you know best. Maybe you will be appreceated.
4)To the rest of the yes men around the joint, do your staff respect you anymore? If not, move on. You will never be able to run an efficient operation unless they are on your side. If yo treated them with respect throughout the last 18 months, then you have no problem.
I honestly think it will take more than an attractive EBA deal to get thing back on track.
1) Dixon. take an early retirement please.
2) Cox, thanks for assisting the LAME's with your bumbling, un-professional performance last year on today tonight but please, exit stage door left.
3) Murray Harris. You have done absolutely nothing to strengthen the relationship that QF management have with its staff. I hear they are building a railway in calcutta. Stick to what you know best. Maybe you will be appreceated.
4)To the rest of the yes men around the joint, do your staff respect you anymore? If not, move on. You will never be able to run an efficient operation unless they are on your side. If yo treated them with respect throughout the last 18 months, then you have no problem.
I honestly think it will take more than an attractive EBA deal to get thing back on track.
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Once bitten..twice shy!
FedSec et al, as a father I know what the sacrifice you have made means! I am truly thankful to you for the many frustrating hours of endless meetings and incessant drivel that you have had to endure to help us out.
Whether this new development becomes reality or is shown to be the latest stunt by a desperate company, only time will tell.
Regardless of the outcome...Thankyou.
FedSec et al, as a father I know what the sacrifice you have made means! I am truly thankful to you for the many frustrating hours of endless meetings and incessant drivel that you have had to endure to help us out.
Whether this new development becomes reality or is shown to be the latest stunt by a desperate company, only time will tell.
Regardless of the outcome...Thankyou.
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Thanks for clarifying that Fed Sec. Much appreciated and yes we ALL do(well most of us) appreciate the efforts you and the rest of the exec have put in for us. Hopefully we see an end to this and can get back to semi normality. To those out there who have not supported the Union through this and are still members, unfortunately you will reep from this but you don't deserve it. Karma will come eventually. 
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Thanks Fed Sec
I don't think SP would publish something like that here unless it has substance. Although an official anouncement hasn't been made till Monday SP wouldn't present us anything that he thinks would get voted down again.
Don't forget how we were before this. Bickering and fragmented. Fed Sec and Union HQ has done a tremendous job. He gave us the strength to say NO. He returned the power to the membership and made us realise our own worth. Yes the devil is in the details but have a look how strong we have become. SP delivered on his promise, the ALAEA will represent it's members and not itself, he united a fractionalised membership and gave the young guys an understanding of what we are really worth.
Yes the papers and the management spun the situation against us but we stood our ground. You know that no matter what outcome we have now we have won. We stood firm, with a united and overpowering voice we said NO. For SP to make that announcement means that GD MH etc have tried to break the unions back and FAILED.
What they have to do to re engage a disengaged workforce is plain for the membership to see, and is the consequence of being the LOSER in this fight. PLUS the board should punish them for the money they squandered in this and the damage they have caused to the brand for carrying on and escalating it.
FOG you have failed in breaking the workforce and have caused such a rift between management and the workforce that it will take years of fence mending to re engage.
We'll wait and see what in store on monday but I think i will we should thank SP and team for his outstanding resolve and commitment and his single handed turn around of the ALAEA.
Thanks Fed Sec
Don't forget how we were before this. Bickering and fragmented. Fed Sec and Union HQ has done a tremendous job. He gave us the strength to say NO. He returned the power to the membership and made us realise our own worth. Yes the devil is in the details but have a look how strong we have become. SP delivered on his promise, the ALAEA will represent it's members and not itself, he united a fractionalised membership and gave the young guys an understanding of what we are really worth.
Yes the papers and the management spun the situation against us but we stood our ground. You know that no matter what outcome we have now we have won. We stood firm, with a united and overpowering voice we said NO. For SP to make that announcement means that GD MH etc have tried to break the unions back and FAILED.
What they have to do to re engage a disengaged workforce is plain for the membership to see, and is the consequence of being the LOSER in this fight. PLUS the board should punish them for the money they squandered in this and the damage they have caused to the brand for carrying on and escalating it.
FOG you have failed in breaking the workforce and have caused such a rift between management and the workforce that it will take years of fence mending to re engage.
We'll wait and see what in store on monday but I think i will we should thank SP and team for his outstanding resolve and commitment and his single handed turn around of the ALAEA.
Thanks Fed Sec
Quick check of Alpines posts reveals that he posts exclusively about industrial relations issues relating to the FAAA and ALAEA, and he admits to not being a LAME.
It will be interesting to see which people suddenly stop posting if and when this thing is settled.
Good luck on Monday ALAEA people, and well done to all of you and your executive. Please, please look very very carefully at the detail of the document, phrase by phrase, and check the definitions up front as well and if there is a word that appears out of place, or that wasn't there before, get it checked again by the lawyers.
I learned the hard way about the huge differences in legal meaning between what look like very simple phrases:
"discretion" and "unfettered discretion" (which doesn't require the other party to be reasonable at all)
"reasonable efforts" and "best efforts" (the latter meaning every effort short of bankruptcy)
It will be interesting to see which people suddenly stop posting if and when this thing is settled.
Good luck on Monday ALAEA people, and well done to all of you and your executive. Please, please look very very carefully at the detail of the document, phrase by phrase, and check the definitions up front as well and if there is a word that appears out of place, or that wasn't there before, get it checked again by the lawyers.
I learned the hard way about the huge differences in legal meaning between what look like very simple phrases:
"discretion" and "unfettered discretion" (which doesn't require the other party to be reasonable at all)
"reasonable efforts" and "best efforts" (the latter meaning every effort short of bankruptcy)
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waiting for the fat lady to sing
Well done FED SEC
There is nothing official because there are only 24 hours in a day. Please all give us some space to breath. The post I put on pprune was not 0913 it was 0913z or 1813Local.
Have been in metings, negotiations yesterday 0800-2230. Today 0800-1800. I had my breakfast at 2100 tonight after I put my kids that I hadn't seen for 3 days to bed.
A notice could not be released from our office because it was after hours (simple one takes about 1.5 hours to prepare). With a notice comes 50 calls from the press, another 5 hours that I don't have, and makes no difference to the outcome of the EBA.
Everyone will see it from Monday when all the i's are crossed and the t's are dotted (because anyone can make mistakes).
I promise to party on Monday after that fat lady sings, I have waited this long I can wait another couple of days. Great job SP for the sacrifices you and the other union guys/girls have made for the benefit of the membership. It almost feels like xmas has come. I know that you guys would have only accepted an offer that you thought reasonable, however its made up, whether (wage rise + trinkets).
Hopefully after Monday we can all relax and have a drink, hopefully (REDHAWKE37) will even be happy
Cheers and Great job
There is nothing official because there are only 24 hours in a day. Please all give us some space to breath. The post I put on pprune was not 0913 it was 0913z or 1813Local.
Have been in metings, negotiations yesterday 0800-2230. Today 0800-1800. I had my breakfast at 2100 tonight after I put my kids that I hadn't seen for 3 days to bed.
A notice could not be released from our office because it was after hours (simple one takes about 1.5 hours to prepare). With a notice comes 50 calls from the press, another 5 hours that I don't have, and makes no difference to the outcome of the EBA.
Everyone will see it from Monday when all the i's are crossed and the t's are dotted (because anyone can make mistakes).
I promise to party on Monday after that fat lady sings, I have waited this long I can wait another couple of days. Great job SP for the sacrifices you and the other union guys/girls have made for the benefit of the membership. It almost feels like xmas has come. I know that you guys would have only accepted an offer that you thought reasonable, however its made up, whether (wage rise + trinkets).
Hopefully after Monday we can all relax and have a drink, hopefully (REDHAWKE37) will even be happy
Cheers and Great job
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I have no idea whats in the deal
I do not know whether I will be satisfied or not
I know I hate the engineering management that run Qantas they are as stupid as they are vindictive
I know that I am now proud to be a member of the ALAEA
I know I will never forget the Scabs and would be Scabs especially former brothers,reps etc who too easily turned to the dark side
But most of all I will remember the volunteers, the men who received no income for doing the right thing the reps, the members and those on the exec who stood their ground took a hit and came back for more.
Thank you for representing me in the true spirit of the Australian worker
Come after one, come after all
I do not know whether I will be satisfied or not
I know I hate the engineering management that run Qantas they are as stupid as they are vindictive
I know that I am now proud to be a member of the ALAEA
I know I will never forget the Scabs and would be Scabs especially former brothers,reps etc who too easily turned to the dark side
But most of all I will remember the volunteers, the men who received no income for doing the right thing the reps, the members and those on the exec who stood their ground took a hit and came back for more.
Thank you for representing me in the true spirit of the Australian worker
Come after one, come after all
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Originally Posted by Rak-a-san
....Hopefully after Monday we can all relax and have a drink, hopefully (REDHAWKE37) will even be happy
Qantas to cut up to 1500 jobs
Originally Posted by The Age
LOOMING job cuts at Qantas are likely to target workers in middle management as the airline buckles under the pressure of rising global oil prices. The Age understands that chief executive Geoff Dixon has told staff that the airline plans to slash between 500 and 1500 jobs from its 36,000-strong workforce.
"He made it clear that the job cuts would come from middle management and that front-line staff shouldn't be too concerned," a source said.
"He made it clear that the job cuts would come from middle management and that front-line staff shouldn't be too concerned," a source said.
Have a good weekend guys
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I suggest if you were a bully boy ops manager I would take a "Bex" and
have a lie-down and hit the Sundays papers Job Vacancies.
Don't bother looking in Aviation section you will be wasting your time.
Thanks SP et.al. for the hard yards, enjoy the weekend.
have a lie-down and hit the Sundays papers Job Vacancies.
Don't bother looking in Aviation section you will be wasting your time.
Thanks SP et.al. for the hard yards, enjoy the weekend.
Nunc est bibendum
I don't have a source for this yet.....trying to track one down.
Qantas Reaches Agreement with LAMES
QANTAS REACHES AGREEMENT WITH ALAEA
SYDNEY, 18 July 2008: Qantas said today it had reached an in-principle agreement with the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) on a new four-year enterprise agreement for the airline’s 1,500 licensed engineers.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, welcomed the agreement which was reached last night. “Both parties approached yesterday’s negotiations in good faith and with a determination to reach an agreement that was acceptable to the airline, the union and its members,” Mr Dixon said.
“The terms of the agreement remain confidential until next week, but they are within the framework of our wages policy.
“Importantly, the union ceased its industrial action last night, which will be welcome news for our customers.
“It will, however, be several weeks until all of our aircraft are available to operate our normal schedule.
“As a result, some flight disruptions will continue in the short term and we will continue to cancel some flights as necessary, with customers accommodated on other services.”
The agreement will come into effect when it is voted on by Qantas’ 1,500 licensed engineers.
QANTAS REACHES AGREEMENT WITH ALAEA
SYDNEY, 18 July 2008: Qantas said today it had reached an in-principle agreement with the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) on a new four-year enterprise agreement for the airline’s 1,500 licensed engineers.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, welcomed the agreement which was reached last night. “Both parties approached yesterday’s negotiations in good faith and with a determination to reach an agreement that was acceptable to the airline, the union and its members,” Mr Dixon said.
“The terms of the agreement remain confidential until next week, but they are within the framework of our wages policy.
“Importantly, the union ceased its industrial action last night, which will be welcome news for our customers.
“It will, however, be several weeks until all of our aircraft are available to operate our normal schedule.
“As a result, some flight disruptions will continue in the short term and we will continue to cancel some flights as necessary, with customers accommodated on other services.”
The agreement will come into effect when it is voted on by Qantas’ 1,500 licensed engineers.