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with the shift loading for new starters
on extended shift this can be done by agreement that all people on this shift gets paid the loading.
reading the utility roster posted outside there office M131/1 ALL utility workers get paid the roster allowance
only on 8 hours do you miss out
on extended shift this can be done by agreement that all people on this shift gets paid the loading.
reading the utility roster posted outside there office M131/1 ALL utility workers get paid the roster allowance
only on 8 hours do you miss out
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Wow Posters it appears that you have already preempted the democratic vote as positive for the negotiated position.
The negotiated position can only be ratified when the final ballot is cast to the positive if you all dont realise.
The Federal Executive obviously have reached a final negotiated position and will no doubt endorse a positive vote after many exhaustive hours of impasse.
Praise their work, finance their holidays they were after all only doing the job they were elected to.
If Kevin Rudd gives we all a pay rise ,a tax cut, stops pollution and removes Eddie McGuire from the television screens should we relect him before 2010 and award him a pay rise.
The EBA position is just that an agreed position it is not the end of WW! or ll that has folk dancing in the streets it is a negotiated position.
Its about your livelihood not the future of mankind.
The negotiated position can only be ratified when the final ballot is cast to the positive if you all dont realise.
The Federal Executive obviously have reached a final negotiated position and will no doubt endorse a positive vote after many exhaustive hours of impasse.
Praise their work, finance their holidays they were after all only doing the job they were elected to.
If Kevin Rudd gives we all a pay rise ,a tax cut, stops pollution and removes Eddie McGuire from the television screens should we relect him before 2010 and award him a pay rise.
The EBA position is just that an agreed position it is not the end of WW! or ll that has folk dancing in the streets it is a negotiated position.
Its about your livelihood not the future of mankind.
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It's good to finally see some positive posts on our long, drawn out battle with our arrogant, ignorant, and often stupid (mis)management. Well done Fed Ex 
, the effort put in by all of the team needs to be commended. It's the single best result we have EVER had in an EBA, (assuming we vote it up), and will put QF on notice for next EBA.
Well done also to all of the members for sticking together on this one, as Devcon4 stated, this has brought together all LAMEs, all trades, from all ports, Heavy, Base and Line, to stand together and refuse to be walked over. We now have the opportunity to finally get some reward for the long term shafting we have been copping
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I would like to know when we will see the final document to ensure we are voting on what we think we are
.... we all know that the company's interpretation is often very different to ours. Is the ALAEA going to be doing a 'roadshow' to present the details and answer individual questions prior to the vote?? I would like to think so as we all need to be very clear on exactly what we are voting for.
Cheers!
, the effort put in by all of the team needs to be commended. It's the single best result we have EVER had in an EBA, (assuming we vote it up), and will put QF on notice for next EBA. Well done also to all of the members for sticking together on this one, as Devcon4 stated, this has brought together all LAMEs, all trades, from all ports, Heavy, Base and Line, to stand together and refuse to be walked over. We now have the opportunity to finally get some reward for the long term shafting we have been copping
.I would like to know when we will see the final document to ensure we are voting on what we think we are
.... we all know that the company's interpretation is often very different to ours. Is the ALAEA going to be doing a 'roadshow' to present the details and answer individual questions prior to the vote?? I would like to think so as we all need to be very clear on exactly what we are voting for.Cheers!
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super what is it...
Fed Sec. when the agreement is finally documented and explained at the ALAEA roadshow(s), is it possible to give some time and effort with an explanation of who/what/where and how the super increase applies. All i am hearing at work is question after question about the super increase and how it applies and have come to the conclusion that not many of us know what we are talikng about.
re: primethius post #4018
Primethius, I’m pretty sure most members understand that a majority yes vote is required to allow the proposed EBA to be certified, but thanks for the reminder anyway. I can only surmise that the positive feeling expressed on this thread is a result of the posters seeing an agreement in principle that substantially surpasses previous EBA outcomes. The difference this time around to previous times is that when the membership roundly rejected the January agreement in principle, the executive listened, ran an clever industrial campaign (with the members support) and returned with a superior agreement in principle. As far as I'm concerned, this EBA8 negotiation should be a template for all future EBA negotiations. I will certainly be voting yes for this EBA and yes to return the current executive to office when exec elections come around.
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QF's Dixon: 'New aviation world order' ahead
Thursday July 24, 2008 Qantas Airways CEO Geoff Dixon said he believes the airline industry is on the verge of a period of consolidation into a few very large carriers that will be able to cope better with higher fuel costs.
Speaking this week at a lunch in Sydney, Dixon claimed that a "new aviation world order" is coming, according to the Australian Associated Press. "Right now the global aviation industry faces not just a shock or indeed a blip or indeed a crisis really but a permanent transformation," he said. A critical step toward that future may come thanks to second-stage open skies negotiations between the US and EU.
"The EU's push for the abolition of foreign investment restrictions has so far, believe it or not, been resisted by the US, which limits foreign ownership of its airlines to 25% of total voting stock,'' Dixon said. But there are signs, he claimed, that the Americans may be prepared to accept airlines from Europe and potentially other countries based on their principal place of business rather than strict ownership criteria.
"For us this would be a groundbreaking development,'' he said. "It would open the way for airlines to engage in meaningful cross-border investments, and sooner or later it will happen. And we believe strongly at Qantas that over time, consolidation will transform aviation. . .It will produce a few very large and extremely efficient global airlines with a portfolio of interests and a portfolio of brands."
AAP reported that Dixon was asked specifically about Air New Zealand, which Qantas attempted to acquire in 2003. He disagreed with ANZ CEO Rob Fyfe, who claimed his carrier is "small enough to stay underneath the radar," although he avoided saying that QF still is interested in acquiring the Auckland-based carrier. "Although I'm not going to say that Qantas and Air New Zealand are going to get together--we tried that once and we've moved on--I do believe very strongly, and always have, that consolidation will happen," Dixon said. He said it will be "very erratic" at the start but that "no airline, particularly in this part of the world, will be able to avoid consolidation."
He claimed that QF has positioned itself to avoid the "dark destiny" of being acquired through cost-cutting (ATWOnline, July 21), investing in the business and ordering a significant number of 787s (65) and A380s (20).
by Geoffrey Thomas
Thursday July 24, 2008 Qantas Airways CEO Geoff Dixon said he believes the airline industry is on the verge of a period of consolidation into a few very large carriers that will be able to cope better with higher fuel costs.
Speaking this week at a lunch in Sydney, Dixon claimed that a "new aviation world order" is coming, according to the Australian Associated Press. "Right now the global aviation industry faces not just a shock or indeed a blip or indeed a crisis really but a permanent transformation," he said. A critical step toward that future may come thanks to second-stage open skies negotiations between the US and EU.
"The EU's push for the abolition of foreign investment restrictions has so far, believe it or not, been resisted by the US, which limits foreign ownership of its airlines to 25% of total voting stock,'' Dixon said. But there are signs, he claimed, that the Americans may be prepared to accept airlines from Europe and potentially other countries based on their principal place of business rather than strict ownership criteria.
"For us this would be a groundbreaking development,'' he said. "It would open the way for airlines to engage in meaningful cross-border investments, and sooner or later it will happen. And we believe strongly at Qantas that over time, consolidation will transform aviation. . .It will produce a few very large and extremely efficient global airlines with a portfolio of interests and a portfolio of brands."
AAP reported that Dixon was asked specifically about Air New Zealand, which Qantas attempted to acquire in 2003. He disagreed with ANZ CEO Rob Fyfe, who claimed his carrier is "small enough to stay underneath the radar," although he avoided saying that QF still is interested in acquiring the Auckland-based carrier. "Although I'm not going to say that Qantas and Air New Zealand are going to get together--we tried that once and we've moved on--I do believe very strongly, and always have, that consolidation will happen," Dixon said. He said it will be "very erratic" at the start but that "no airline, particularly in this part of the world, will be able to avoid consolidation."
He claimed that QF has positioned itself to avoid the "dark destiny" of being acquired through cost-cutting (ATWOnline, July 21), investing in the business and ordering a significant number of 787s (65) and A380s (20).
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You can bet a whole bunch of humiliated managers are hunkered down figuring out how to claw back the extra they have to pay us.
Tulla Heavy: GOOOOONE
Sydney Precinct: here we come.
Let's hope the managers are gone before then.
Tulla Heavy: GOOOOONE
Sydney Precinct: here we come.
Let's hope the managers are gone before then.
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Off Topic: RIP Andy Craig
One of our own, Andy Craig, sadly passed away recently. A great bloke, true mate and a LAME everyone held in high regard.
His service will be at Woronora West Crematorium 11.30 amd Friday 25 July (tomorrrow). Most of us know about it. I thought I would post the bad news here as a lot of people are reading this and some may not know the bad news and would want to say goodbye to our mate.
My heart is very heavy. Goodbye mate.
His service will be at Woronora West Crematorium 11.30 amd Friday 25 July (tomorrrow). Most of us know about it. I thought I would post the bad news here as a lot of people are reading this and some may not know the bad news and would want to say goodbye to our mate.
My heart is very heavy. Goodbye mate.
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QANTAS ENGINEERS REPLACE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES
Yes QF engineers save the world, a victory for all led by the great SP
Thank god that you won , otherwise the world was doomed
A world without QF Engineers
We would all be doomed
but......?
Yes QF engineers save the world, a victory for all led by the great SP
Thank god that you won , otherwise the world was doomed
A world without QF Engineers
We would all be doomed
but......?
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And don't discount the fact that one advantage of overseas outsourcing is all those lovely business trips for senior management - and no, I'm not joking. One senior QF manager, with a wife and two kids in Sydney, regularly "stays overnight" with a female acquaintance of mine as he does his "rounds" of various bases each month.
Then he'll find out whether or not the fling was worth it.
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Probably but dont worry about it just get the job done. It was probably just a crack missed at the last overseas heavy maint inspection. But hay as long as were saving money who cares!!Travel insurance will cover the lost baggage.
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Well its been said by the ALAEA for a while now, that is that the system has been degraded to a point where a major incident was looming and that it was only a matter of time. The ALAEA were right unfortunately, thank GOD we did not lose that Hull, it’s about time the guardians of safety were shown a lot of respect and the incompetent people at the top responsible are held to task.
To the media, do you think the Australian public should be satisfied with paying a premium for a service that is flawed, let me see, 747 400’s VH OJO and VH OJQ staples in the Emergency Egress wiring, possible result pax unable to find path to exit in dark or smoke filled cabin. DO YOU EXPECT AN ORGANISATION TO BE PERFECT, well Sir the public do expect that from your organisation. VH OJM, 4 off Generator failure, aircraft has no power other than standby battery and is twenty to thirty minutes from ditching. Latest serious incident VH OJK, has major structural failure and is very lucky to land at all, check out the story about United’s door failure and how may pax ended up in number three engine. Very similar!
Please go and look at these incidents and talk to the people that maintain, or sorry, attempt to maintain the standard. No Geoff, the unions are not playing the safety card, your system is failing and you have forgotten or perhaps you never knew that safety is no accident.
To the media, do you think the Australian public should be satisfied with paying a premium for a service that is flawed, let me see, 747 400’s VH OJO and VH OJQ staples in the Emergency Egress wiring, possible result pax unable to find path to exit in dark or smoke filled cabin. DO YOU EXPECT AN ORGANISATION TO BE PERFECT, well Sir the public do expect that from your organisation. VH OJM, 4 off Generator failure, aircraft has no power other than standby battery and is twenty to thirty minutes from ditching. Latest serious incident VH OJK, has major structural failure and is very lucky to land at all, check out the story about United’s door failure and how may pax ended up in number three engine. Very similar!
Please go and look at these incidents and talk to the people that maintain, or sorry, attempt to maintain the standard. No Geoff, the unions are not playing the safety card, your system is failing and you have forgotten or perhaps you never knew that safety is no accident.
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No wonder your Maintenance Executive refer to you all as xenophobic.
He need not worry about that, since the bridge of trust has fallen.
It would be interesting to hear the $2M man explain what went wrong
but i think he has one of those red balls stuck in his mouth right now.
He need not worry about that, since the bridge of trust has fallen.
It would be interesting to hear the $2M man explain what went wrong
but i think he has one of those red balls stuck in his mouth right now.
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