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Its like a rich man building a mansion, finding his budget cut he shrimps and saves on foundation and structure and spends his money on a high quality finish all gloss and shine
and hes happy and spends the money he saved on a holiday
six months later the tiles on the floor crack,he calls the tiller who tells him it not his fault the foundation has moved and the whole house is unsound
the easiest maintenance to outsource is heavy maintenance due to its high manhours you can save a lot of money.but if your own people are not doing the checks are they done well, if the person doing the check will never see the aircraft again will he care if its not perfect.
my point is we in line have to wear the mistakes of heavy so I believe it should be done inhouse, we never had all these incidences when 245 was open. Losing the 245 skillbase was a tragity for qantas engineering and all new engineers are poorer for not having passed through there
and hes happy and spends the money he saved on a holiday
six months later the tiles on the floor crack,he calls the tiller who tells him it not his fault the foundation has moved and the whole house is unsound
the easiest maintenance to outsource is heavy maintenance due to its high manhours you can save a lot of money.but if your own people are not doing the checks are they done well, if the person doing the check will never see the aircraft again will he care if its not perfect.
my point is we in line have to wear the mistakes of heavy so I believe it should be done inhouse, we never had all these incidences when 245 was open. Losing the 245 skillbase was a tragity for qantas engineering and all new engineers are poorer for not having passed through there
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Very true Domo about new engineers being poorer for not being able to spend time in Sydney heavy, they have also lost out with spending no time in EOC. The AMEs and LAMEs under 30 probably wouldnt know what the inside of an engine looks like due to the fact QF no longer sends hangar snorks to engine line
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Losing the 245 skillbase was a tragity for qantas engineering and all new engineers are poorer for not having passed through there
The same can be said for the few "engineers", (sorry if I have offended anyone), left in management that obviously have their own best interests at heart when making some of the most rediculous decisions that they have made of late. What a massive step backwards.
The EGM of Qantas engineering constantly talks down Qantas engineering as being on par with any other maint organisation in the world. What experience does he have to back up his claims! None! What arrogance and ignorance. He obviously never saw some of the 3rd parties that we had in H245 for "D" checks when we used to do customer work. The difference in condition between our aircraft and theirs was like chalk and cheese. Does he think our safe reputation is by co-incidence?
What we lost in experience is now gone for good.
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Get a life
Quote
When you use others material it is very rude not to quote the source from where you obtained the quotation.
in some circles it is known as plagerism. If you get the info from a website cite as below
Mary Elizabeth Braddon Lady Audley’s Secret, ch. 32 (1862).
Not trying to be smart but this post is not your work.
Unquote
Now Now...... Section 41
In some circles the above quote would be called the work of a smartars_
In other circles it would be the work of a dickhe_d
Either way, you are correct, it is not my work, but then again, I never claimed authorship
So what are you on about?
I can't put my finger on it, but there is an apt saying.......
Oh yes.....something like......glass houses and thrown stones don't mix.
P.S. When I grow up, i want to be able to google like "Section 41"
When you use others material it is very rude not to quote the source from where you obtained the quotation.
in some circles it is known as plagerism. If you get the info from a website cite as below
Mary Elizabeth Braddon Lady Audley’s Secret, ch. 32 (1862).
Not trying to be smart but this post is not your work.
Unquote
Now Now...... Section 41
In some circles the above quote would be called the work of a smartars_
In other circles it would be the work of a dickhe_d
Either way, you are correct, it is not my work, but then again, I never claimed authorship
So what are you on about?
I can't put my finger on it, but there is an apt saying.......
Oh yes.....something like......glass houses and thrown stones don't mix.
P.S. When I grow up, i want to be able to google like "Section 41"
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Changes are coming
The rumours of Big M's departure continue to grow. DC may have to cut him loose to save himself. The MACS seem to be getting ready to play musical chairs.
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El Perro...
What about withholding a fair and equitable pay?
Is it right for LAMEs to suffer bastardry by the hands of fools and be begrudged pay parity with last year? (note...i do not say payrise)
After all the work is the same, if not more difficult!
Get a grip...
Jump off a cliff....
and you can quote me
What about withholding a fair and equitable pay?
Is it right for LAMEs to suffer bastardry by the hands of fools and be begrudged pay parity with last year? (note...i do not say payrise)
After all the work is the same, if not more difficult!
Get a grip...
Jump off a cliff....
and you can quote me
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The word is the customers are gone. Maybe SIO will do BA but that is it. They have no interest outside 'core business'. And lets face it they need every hand on deck at Base to cope with the workload.
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What workload? The A-checks are gone for now (bar 767).The foreign operators were good revenue for SIO. Now that they are gone it seems that SIO staff are not well utilised. The foreigners helped plug gaps in their workload whilst generating income to cover QF's operational costs. Sending them across to our side is just wasting time and resources and is achieving very little. They could very easily cope taking them back in. Our previous management knew this because they had line and servicing experience. But once again decisions are being made by people without experience in this business.
There have been rumors that some of the other operators are contemplating dumping our recip maint contracts overseas. Also that they are considering pulling all contracts with QF, (not just engineering support, but catering, check-in, ramp, freight that is). This will result in many upset managers as it amounts to some considerable revenue.
It seems that alot of people are growing very annoyed at the moment.
There have been rumors that some of the other operators are contemplating dumping our recip maint contracts overseas. Also that they are considering pulling all contracts with QF, (not just engineering support, but catering, check-in, ramp, freight that is). This will result in many upset managers as it amounts to some considerable revenue.
It seems that alot of people are growing very annoyed at the moment.
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word is that BA are going nuts and may dump QF from their faclities OS including lounges etc if we dont restart contract work.I think QF had some leeway with industrial clauses in contracts.
I believe they want qf to do the work but....
Unfortunately our fearless leaders have left us so demoralised and short of labour we are struggling to manage our own fleet.
OS tails were a good source of revenue for the INT engineering sections.
One could be forgiven for thinking QE managers are in the poo with how to get out of this.
Domo you are so right in your assertion of skills lost.Those skills gained by working heavy phase/base then line as desired were invaluable.
As a LAME with too many years in all areas in several work places I'll vouch for the system you lament the loss of.Many of these guys are some of the best LAME's I've worked with in skills, knowlege and attitude.
The attitude has taken a battering of late but with some new blood at the top and a consultative approach ie "how can we do this together" would go some way to achieving some reconciliation.With current practices and QE managers incumbent I doubt thats likely.
I believe they want qf to do the work but....
Unfortunately our fearless leaders have left us so demoralised and short of labour we are struggling to manage our own fleet.
OS tails were a good source of revenue for the INT engineering sections.
One could be forgiven for thinking QE managers are in the poo with how to get out of this.
Domo you are so right in your assertion of skills lost.Those skills gained by working heavy phase/base then line as desired were invaluable.
As a LAME with too many years in all areas in several work places I'll vouch for the system you lament the loss of.Many of these guys are some of the best LAME's I've worked with in skills, knowlege and attitude.
The attitude has taken a battering of late but with some new blood at the top and a consultative approach ie "how can we do this together" would go some way to achieving some reconciliation.With current practices and QE managers incumbent I doubt thats likely.
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B777-300er
Qantas is understood to be moving toward an order for the 365-seat 777-300ER as Boeing pulls out all stops to thwart a commitment to the rival A350-1000. ATWOnline understands that the order, if submitted to and ratified by QF's board, would be for 15 aircraft with deliveries as early as 2011. CEO Geoff Dixon yesterday confirmed the airline's interest in the -300ER. "We have aircraft orders of A$35 billion ($30 billion) in place and are in discussions with the manufacturers about options for the replacement of 747-400s not covered by our A380 order. This does include the 777-300ER, but no decision has been made and no proposal has been put to our board," he told this website in a statement. ATW Daily News
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Not if, but when MH leaves us .. I'm wondering what would be your first action to attempt to resurrect our section? I'll start -
1. Get rid of the name ACS, we are Line or Base Maintenance. The work we do is unique, as is HM, thus specialising in one, has always served us well.
2. Gone are the 'mateys', replaced by leaders interested in aircraft maintenance.
3. Sincerely apolgise to all our customers and reinstate our services, with a discount, for our recent shortcomings. Our customers will always be an integral part of the work we do, either in, LM BM or HM.
Your thoughts, folks?
1. Get rid of the name ACS, we are Line or Base Maintenance. The work we do is unique, as is HM, thus specialising in one, has always served us well.
2. Gone are the 'mateys', replaced by leaders interested in aircraft maintenance.
3. Sincerely apolgise to all our customers and reinstate our services, with a discount, for our recent shortcomings. Our customers will always be an integral part of the work we do, either in, LM BM or HM.
Your thoughts, folks?
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There are too many Mateys and rock spiders in their own little clubs for them to be gone overnight.
The next problem is once these have gone how do you ensure that the next in line don't build themselves a matey empire.
Engineering from certain LHs and above is rotten to the bone.
It would take a monumental change to get rid of it and make sure it doesn't return.
Any ideas on how to achieve this?
The next problem is once these have gone how do you ensure that the next in line don't build themselves a matey empire.
Engineering from certain LHs and above is rotten to the bone.
It would take a monumental change to get rid of it and make sure it doesn't return.
Any ideas on how to achieve this?
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How to fix it.... recruit professionals from overseas to run the joint and pay them well. Guys who have a proven successful history in aircraft maintenance and who have the drive to see where opportunities exist to increase revenue, morale and good will.
Spend the money to train AMES and LAMES on type so we have maximum coverage avail with minimum supervision (and a career path.)
Establish a customer engineering group to handle client airlines and reap maximum revenue. Some extra simple work ie when we did SIA cargo inspections made us a fortune.
Have manpower and parts preloaded for OSIP...and defects. MCC should have the resources to trouble shoot well before mel dates due and have a fix ready instead of relying on the guys to shotgun just to restart the mel clock. How many times have we changed the same part 2 or 3 times cause we dont have the time to troubleshoot and look at history (yes, i know... follow the fim etc, but its not always reliable)
Modify the PPM and AMM to allow for streamlining... so that the guys in line can for example, just kill power to open the cowls (767), instead of locking out leading edges, reversers etc etc... All takes time. which equals dollars
Have the balls to tell these corporate safety people to not treat us like we have had a lobotomy... everything we do in life has an element of risk.... knowing the risk and using common sense and experience will ensure a safe working environment. All these bulletins and read and signs etc.... Next thing you will have me wearing a harness next time i jump on my bathroom scales....
Get rid of this bull about Qantas being our customer, you are my customer, i charge you , you charge me, we charge them, supply chain , bidding for work on our own fleet, .... this segmentation is a cancer... we all work for Qantas.
Get rid of this thing called ACS.... it means nothing. Its down right disrespectful to our profession. It is a name made up by non hands on people to make them fit into the equation.... What about..... "Qantas Engineering- base, line, heavy and support. Covers the lot.
Give us the tools and the leadership to do what we do best and will deliver an on time and quality product every time....
I guess that should fix things a bit.....
Spend the money to train AMES and LAMES on type so we have maximum coverage avail with minimum supervision (and a career path.)
Establish a customer engineering group to handle client airlines and reap maximum revenue. Some extra simple work ie when we did SIA cargo inspections made us a fortune.
Have manpower and parts preloaded for OSIP...and defects. MCC should have the resources to trouble shoot well before mel dates due and have a fix ready instead of relying on the guys to shotgun just to restart the mel clock. How many times have we changed the same part 2 or 3 times cause we dont have the time to troubleshoot and look at history (yes, i know... follow the fim etc, but its not always reliable)
Modify the PPM and AMM to allow for streamlining... so that the guys in line can for example, just kill power to open the cowls (767), instead of locking out leading edges, reversers etc etc... All takes time. which equals dollars
Have the balls to tell these corporate safety people to not treat us like we have had a lobotomy... everything we do in life has an element of risk.... knowing the risk and using common sense and experience will ensure a safe working environment. All these bulletins and read and signs etc.... Next thing you will have me wearing a harness next time i jump on my bathroom scales....
Get rid of this bull about Qantas being our customer, you are my customer, i charge you , you charge me, we charge them, supply chain , bidding for work on our own fleet, .... this segmentation is a cancer... we all work for Qantas.
Get rid of this thing called ACS.... it means nothing. Its down right disrespectful to our profession. It is a name made up by non hands on people to make them fit into the equation.... What about..... "Qantas Engineering- base, line, heavy and support. Covers the lot.
Give us the tools and the leadership to do what we do best and will deliver an on time and quality product every time....
I guess that should fix things a bit.....
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How to fix it.... recruit professionals from overseas to run the joint
do interviews at all levels ame, lame and if there is talent train them to management levels
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ACS Sat. night shift;
DMM; actor!
Two x Formen; actors!
Boeing Leading Hands (8 of); actors!
And I don't think any of them were in the correct Union for the job.
What is it like in your area?
Does this indicate that there is a Carreer Path, just that it's blocked (for budget purposes).
DMM; actor!
Two x Formen; actors!
Boeing Leading Hands (8 of); actors!
And I don't think any of them were in the correct Union for the job.
What is it like in your area?
Does this indicate that there is a Carreer Path, just that it's blocked (for budget purposes).