Merged: QANTAS/ALAEA EBA

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4 corners

Ah ha, the goat rider strikes again with some juicy stuff!
does sound very interesting.

I do think some people are being premature in judging GH already whether you have history with him or not.
It takes time to do anything at qantas even simple garden variety stuff.
Turning around an entire division will take years.

All the extra management types does make you wonder though.
Maybe there will be more changes than we bargained for and those guys will be needed...
but it does smack of padding ones backside with multiple layers of lower order scapegoats.
Anyway my mind remains open, nothing to gained by being negative all the time.
Of to a good start with m and kb going, not to mention the BACKPAY, there you go I mentioned it.Thanks to SP and the crew!
Makes a nice diff to the pay packet guys, much appreciated.

[hi-speed tape]

Info item for anyone away from work.
official email notice - ANZ 767 & 747 work to return to SIT as of 19 Nov 08.
Word on the floor - Malaysian have pulled the pin on us, but Thai will return as of Feb 09.

[QF22]

MAS

I believe MAS will be handled by AMSA.

[Short_Circuit]

So, what is the latest with the buggery campaign against LAMEs.

All is toooooo quiet.

[Ngineer]

So, what is the latest with the buggery campaign against LAMEs.

I think the DMM positions have upset alot of people. What should have been a no-brainer was turned into a complete shamozzle by upper management. Many very experienced and competant leaders were snubbed. Whether this is a buggery campaign or just pure stupidity is lost to me. Either way, this madness will hopefully go when they have finished grooming TD to be the next DM.

Unfortunately when inexperienced people rise to a place of power and responsibilty, they sometimes get people offside trying to demand respect by being over-powering or demanding due to their lack of self-confidence. I hope we do not have to bear the brunt of this.

[hadagutfull]

Whilst I congratulate those who applied for the positions and were successful, I believe the interview process is still very flawed... there is no taking into account the persons years of service, experience, operational performance, sickies and attendance and ability to manage manpower either on a person to person level or as someone in charge of a team.

Same can be said for the A380 selection process....

It seems if you can talk the "official" talk, quote some of the management business philosophies and show that you are a true believer in the over cooked safety beliefs... you are an ideal candidate for any position.

There are so many excellent LAMES out there that put in a brilliant effort every day that deserve training without this interview and application crap... let their reputation and performance speak for themselves, and let them see their efforts are seen and appreciated.

Perhaps Mr Fedsec might discuss this with the new management team at the next meeting.

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hadagutful

mate I could not agree more.The targeted selection process is crap.
If you can spin a good yarn quote PPM etc you may well get a run.
Some selections using this process are spot on others are unbelieveable.
A good shyster can beat the system hands down.

One thing is sure you do not need this crappy process to select a suitable candidate.having worked there most of their working lives those who want and deserve the job should be well and truly obvious.Even outsiders come with a record being known in the industry.Its hard to hide being a shonk no matter where you've been.Its a small world.

PS.No sour grapes here.No applications made.happy being a pawn.

[QF94]

Whilst I congratulate those who applied for the positions and were successful, I believe the interview process is still very flawed... there is no taking into account the persons years of service, experience, operational performance, sickies and attendance and ability to manage manpower either on a person to person level or as someone in charge of a team.

Same can be said for the A380 selection process....

Unfortunately, the 'merits' do not apply to choosing and 'ideal' candidate for the job that will be managing people and steering the engineering section in the direction the upper management wants. Unless you are a YES man with a CAN DO at any cost attitude, the selection process has always been and always will be for the chosen few, with maybe a token position filled by an 'outsider' who won't get too much in the way.

It seems if you can talk the "official" talk, quote some of the management business philosophies and show that you are a true believer in the over cooked safety beliefs... you are an ideal candidate for any position.

Refer to my comments above. Sing the tune management wants to hear, and you'll go places.

There are so many excellent LAMES out there that put in a brilliant effort every day that deserve training without this interview and application crap... let their reputation and performance speak for themselves, and let them see their efforts are seen and appreciated.

Do you believe for one minute that the excellent LAME's will be promoted off the floor to manage. There wouldn't be anyone left to run the show and actually keep the aircraft in the air. Think of the consequences if all the good LAME's were in management. Besides, it has been proven that you don't need experience or putting in a brilliant effort to become any level of management. Just ask DM, Manager NSW/ACT line stations. An Arts degree and no interest in aircraft lands you a plum job.

Us LAME's should just sit back and enjoy the ride, because the first ones to fall will be the decision makers, as we have too many of them and not enough LAME's/AME's to do the work.

Perhaps Mr Fedsec might discuss this with the new management team at the next meeting.

Yeah and Geoff Dixon will hand back his $12M dollars and Management will work for only their salary and no bonuses.

[Ngineer]

Besides, it has been proven that you don't need experience or putting in a brilliant effort to become any level of management. Just ask DM, Manager NSW/ACT line stations. An Arts degree and no interest in aircraft lands you a plum job.

I think he landed this position due to his experience in employee relations/industrial relations. True GD style, buggary all the way. We all saw this with the very distasteful harrassing/interview processes that was enjoyed during and after the PIA. This will never be forgotten.

With the poor press that we have had of late GD has finally got what he wanted, that is "just an airline".

Do you believe for one minute that the excellent LAME's will be promoted off the floor to manage. There wouldn't be anyone left to run the show and actually keep the aircraft in the air. Think of the consequences if all the good LAME's were in management.

QF94 good thinking, what a good manager you would make. However after watching the A380 team fiasco, and the valuable licence's and manpower that was robbed from various sections to create this team, I just cannot buy your idea.

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QF94

Mate I agree with your post, except that my reference to the many excellent LAMES who put in great effort.....etc, for them its the type training, not management training, that they deserve without all the crap involved with it these days.

The old system of the training school telling the manager "we got 6 slots on 744 course, gimme some names" was generally fair. If you did a good job and had a good reputation, you would be rewarded.

That system was being abused by some managers not so long ago and used as a carrot to dangle for certain people.

Most of us would love to pick up another rating, sit back, and watch the constant revolving management door.

[thosecotos]

We all saw this with the very distasteful harrassing/interview processes that was enjoyed during and after the PIA. This will never be forgotten

Not forgotten? So what, do you think they care? Shaking in their boots for sure. I thought the union was spruiking rebuilding of bridges? The PIA finished 5 minutes ago in relative terms, the place needs the wheel reinvented and you guys are already throwing knives

Most of us would love to pick up another rating, sit back....

Freudian slip? Picking up ratings then sitting back... yep, seen plenty of that before

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thosecotos

Oops... that didnt come out right!!

how about... sit back with the extra rating and diligently do our jobs as we always do...

[Ngineer]

Not forgotten? So what, do you think they care? Shaking in their boots for sure. I thought the union was spruiking rebuilding of bridges? The PIA finished 5 minutes ago in relative terms, the place needs the wheel reinvented and you guys are already throwing knives

I think you may have lost touch with the workforce mate. Have you been on LSL the last few years?

[the rim]

unfortunally i have seen it all before ....and now all you need is the can do approach and you will get what you want ....but the "can do" approach is only achieved at someone else's expence...look at line stations now they all are bidding against each other for the position what hope do the rest of us have....Gavin take hold of it before its too late so you have the right people in the right positions NOW

[QF22]

Hands On !

I think GH has had his hands on it for years, that's the problem !

[another superlame]

A few of the comments are about the lack of good LAMEs etc, well they have advertised and I and a few other ex HM LAMEs have applied to come back but they are dragging the chain in doing so.

You would think it is an open and shut case, as we have ratings on QF aircraft,most of us were QF snorks we know our way around the Jet Base and the red tape that comes with it.

If the rumours are true that they made a mistake in shutting down Syd HM and getting rid of all that experience why is it taking so long to make the wrongs right.

The PIA is over the EBA is signed and QF are still in the news for the wrong reasons far too often. They can't use the PIA as an excuse any longer for what makes the news. Could someone please take their balls out of their wives handbags and make a decision.

If it drags on for too much longer they will need to do another world trip to recruit LAMEs, ie South Africa,Hong Kong, Ireland, South America. Last time they did this it was a total sh1t fight for all involved. But then QF managers can ony remember as far back as their last bonus.

[another superlame]

Can someone post or email me current LAME rates of pay for levels 4,5 and 6 please.
I have been unable to get them anywhere. Just doing my homework in case I get offered the Casual LAME spot.
Thanks

[Ngineer]

Does anyone know if the casual LAME spots are still going ahead? Considering there are alot of LAME's willing to work O/T but not being asked why is this still happening? Is this part of the comany's ploy of zero overtime, or to combat the next round of EBA negotiations.

Also, are the rumors true that there are LAME's who will be taking on the new AME positions being filled. If so, how can this be? How can a LAME be paid as an AME? I thought we had been through this all before, or is this a case of bringing in "definition of a LAME" by stealth.

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ngineer i take it you are a good Unionist,if so positions should always be filled with new people rather than O/T,if you can't live without O/t you should get out of the industry

[Ngineer]

if so positions should always be filled with new people rather than O/T

Exactly, so employ more permanents not casuals. The quotas were put in place for good reason. This is not healthy for our workforce!

if you can't live without O/t you should get out of the industry

I cannot understand this issue of why people work OT (whether because they need to or want to, and I suspect it is probably the latter) that you have raised. It is pointless to my arguement. Whatever the reason is, I am glad that there are still alot of people that do.