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Well, i just checked my situation out,
Something did become clear though, i had not received
any reward for using my new generation licences.
I don't want to harp on about, as i personally feel my
total income is fair compense for my toils, but to the guy
who doubted others never had any gain from service points,
from my statement... 11 service points and 4 training points.
Perhaps the eba will get up, great, then what?
Some workplaces have been crippled by the buggery campaign.
Customers are demanding our work back, while management
looks into the mirror once more.
Here then is another engineering management lie...
"we can respond to Customer Airline requirements with flexibility
and an understanding of operators concerns and constraints."
About Qantas - Our Company - Qantas Departments - Engineering & Maintenance
Something did become clear though, i had not received
any reward for using my new generation licences.
I don't want to harp on about, as i personally feel my
total income is fair compense for my toils, but to the guy
who doubted others never had any gain from service points,
from my statement... 11 service points and 4 training points.
Perhaps the eba will get up, great, then what?
Some workplaces have been crippled by the buggery campaign.
Customers are demanding our work back, while management
looks into the mirror once more.
Here then is another engineering management lie...
"we can respond to Customer Airline requirements with flexibility
and an understanding of operators concerns and constraints."
About Qantas - Our Company - Qantas Departments - Engineering & Maintenance
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Well, Iv'e read the EBA doc & formulated my opinion, just like most others have too.
But then when all the dust settles, post EBA, where does that leave us ?
The management have now exposed themseves for what they really are. They have shown that they are quite prepared to prey on us with impunity & engage in "buggery campaigns" & operate outside HR guide lines, then hide behind their managerial aprons for protection.
But QF engineering is now in a total mess because of these people. Before the "Amazing people" arrived, engineering was ticking along just fine. Sure things could have done with a little fine tuning & by engaging the "staff", savings could have been made & the whole operation could have been "freshend up".
But instead what we got was basically a load of stormtroopers marching in resulting in the closing down of Syd HM which was churning out 747 c & D checks back to back to a quality that any MRO in the world would be proud of. The "sacking" of most third party work on line stations, which brought in millions of dollars in revenue to offset the QE maintenance bill. Retrenching of hundreds of the companys most experienced, highly skilled LAMEs'.
The list could go on......
How do this management remain in a job ???? They fcuk up everything they touch ! Then they come up with another fcuk up to try and fix their last fcuk up !!!!
This management has put us in the sh*t and it's all our fault because we stopped doing o/t for several weeks. Well I'm not helping them to dig their way out of this one. As for overtime, well unless an assclown manager and a HR shinyarse, call me into an office and ask me if I have a valid reason not to do overtime........ Fugin idiots !
Sorry, rant over.
But then when all the dust settles, post EBA, where does that leave us ?
The management have now exposed themseves for what they really are. They have shown that they are quite prepared to prey on us with impunity & engage in "buggery campaigns" & operate outside HR guide lines, then hide behind their managerial aprons for protection.
But QF engineering is now in a total mess because of these people. Before the "Amazing people" arrived, engineering was ticking along just fine. Sure things could have done with a little fine tuning & by engaging the "staff", savings could have been made & the whole operation could have been "freshend up".
But instead what we got was basically a load of stormtroopers marching in resulting in the closing down of Syd HM which was churning out 747 c & D checks back to back to a quality that any MRO in the world would be proud of. The "sacking" of most third party work on line stations, which brought in millions of dollars in revenue to offset the QE maintenance bill. Retrenching of hundreds of the companys most experienced, highly skilled LAMEs'.
The list could go on......
How do this management remain in a job ???? They fcuk up everything they touch ! Then they come up with another fcuk up to try and fix their last fcuk up !!!!
This management has put us in the sh*t and it's all our fault because we stopped doing o/t for several weeks. Well I'm not helping them to dig their way out of this one. As for overtime, well unless an assclown manager and a HR shinyarse, call me into an office and ask me if I have a valid reason not to do overtime........ Fugin idiots !
Sorry, rant over.
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??? What A380 training. 99% of us won't get it....
The golden hair boys there in Team A380 is it, no more..
Another management "Buggery Campaign" to get rid of multi licenced Boeing boys.
The golden hair boys there in Team A380 is it, no more..
Another management "Buggery Campaign" to get rid of multi licenced Boeing boys.
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How do this management remain in a job ???? They fcuk up everything they touch !
They must spin alot of technical jargon at departmental meetings and everyone around the table just looks mystified and shrugs their shoulders.
And just wait till we sign off on this EBA. If it gets up, sure will get some doe, but these guys are goin' to run wild.
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Well ? Come on managers.
Let's hear it. We know you knumb nuts read this thread.
Tell us all about your great achievements since taking over the helm. Sell us this EBA.
Please, just one of you, tell us how you keep your jobs!!!!
Waiting..................................
All I hear are donuts being munched.......
Let's hear it. We know you knumb nuts read this thread.
Tell us all about your great achievements since taking over the helm. Sell us this EBA.
Please, just one of you, tell us how you keep your jobs!!!!
Waiting..................................
All I hear are donuts being munched.......
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Re courier mail D.cox's statement
"So that means the vast majority, and I mean the vast majority, of our work is actually done here in Australia and has been for many, many years and will continue to be," he said.
What a damn lie. Just look at the scheds for this week and see how many A checks are being done in LAX compared to SYD. All the while a whole crew is being wasted sent to the base from SIT to supplement manpower when we could be servicing other airlines and making $$$ for QF to curb the rising fuel costs.Sorry that would make sense wouldn't it.
Last week United airlines wanted to borrow a highlift. They were told to call a certain manager, who refused saying they are not a prime customer.We had the manpower to do it.LOST INCOME FOR ACS. This has to be the only management in the world that does not like to make money and grow a business. When and if we are to help other airlines it can only be an AME not a LAME as dictated from that same numbskull.
"The buggery campaign continues".
and the lies get bigger.
"So that means the vast majority, and I mean the vast majority, of our work is actually done here in Australia and has been for many, many years and will continue to be," he said.
What a damn lie. Just look at the scheds for this week and see how many A checks are being done in LAX compared to SYD. All the while a whole crew is being wasted sent to the base from SIT to supplement manpower when we could be servicing other airlines and making $$$ for QF to curb the rising fuel costs.Sorry that would make sense wouldn't it.
Last week United airlines wanted to borrow a highlift. They were told to call a certain manager, who refused saying they are not a prime customer.We had the manpower to do it.LOST INCOME FOR ACS. This has to be the only management in the world that does not like to make money and grow a business. When and if we are to help other airlines it can only be an AME not a LAME as dictated from that same numbskull.
"The buggery campaign continues".
and the lies get bigger.
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Boys don't even worry about the Transmission of Business involving JHAS, they had there chance at QF glory and they lost it, they are lucky to get the 737NG work.
There is no chance of them taking over the whole shebang. With the constant management changes they are having, due to the fact they are being run by clueless construction minds, they are almost in over their heads now, let alone take on more than a few NGs.
I think now that GD is on his way out things might change for the better.
But the J* leprechaun didn't want any J* inhouse maintenance when they started. Rumour has it the only reason J* has maintenance is because it came with the package from Impulse.
If QF management want to invest in QF E & M then let them become a wholly owned subsidiary and go out and become the world renowned maintainer of aircraft they are known to be. Let them fix aircraft for all airlines and make money from it, they did it in the past and they can do it again, all it will take is a manager with a set of gonads and some foresight.
There is no chance of them taking over the whole shebang. With the constant management changes they are having, due to the fact they are being run by clueless construction minds, they are almost in over their heads now, let alone take on more than a few NGs.
I think now that GD is on his way out things might change for the better.
But the J* leprechaun didn't want any J* inhouse maintenance when they started. Rumour has it the only reason J* has maintenance is because it came with the package from Impulse.
If QF management want to invest in QF E & M then let them become a wholly owned subsidiary and go out and become the world renowned maintainer of aircraft they are known to be. Let them fix aircraft for all airlines and make money from it, they did it in the past and they can do it again, all it will take is a manager with a set of gonads and some foresight.
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Gents...
How the devil is in the detail.
44.3 A380 Roster
44.3.1 A number of pre-agreed roster arrangements may be able to be utilised by the Company with respect to its A380 operations. These roster arrangements will be:
44.3.1 (a) 9.5 hour, 7 days
44.3.1 (b) 10.9 hour, 7 days
44.3.1 (c) 12 hour, 38 hour week roster, 7 days. (Note: This may include a 12 hour hybrid of not more than 12 hours per shift which may be necessary to round off the 38 hours)
44.3.1 (d) Any of the above rosters inclusive of an RDO (i.e. 40 hours week)
44.3.2 As some of the above are 38 hour per week rosters there is no accrual of an RDO in those rosters. Payments for the above rosters will be in accordance with clause 24- Shift Work of this Agreement.
The last paragraph is the catch in all this...YOU WILL NOT GET ANY RDO'S AND YOU WILL BE WORKING A LOT MORE SHIFTS FOR THE SAME PAY.
Ask any LAME in Perth what they went through last year with the proposed introduction of the 10.9 hr shift. A380 team, your additional payment is about to be wiped out.
How the devil is in the detail.
44.3 A380 Roster
44.3.1 A number of pre-agreed roster arrangements may be able to be utilised by the Company with respect to its A380 operations. These roster arrangements will be:
44.3.1 (a) 9.5 hour, 7 days
44.3.1 (b) 10.9 hour, 7 days
44.3.1 (c) 12 hour, 38 hour week roster, 7 days. (Note: This may include a 12 hour hybrid of not more than 12 hours per shift which may be necessary to round off the 38 hours)
44.3.1 (d) Any of the above rosters inclusive of an RDO (i.e. 40 hours week)
44.3.2 As some of the above are 38 hour per week rosters there is no accrual of an RDO in those rosters. Payments for the above rosters will be in accordance with clause 24- Shift Work of this Agreement.
The last paragraph is the catch in all this...YOU WILL NOT GET ANY RDO'S AND YOU WILL BE WORKING A LOT MORE SHIFTS FOR THE SAME PAY.
Ask any LAME in Perth what they went through last year with the proposed introduction of the 10.9 hr shift. A380 team, your additional payment is about to be wiped out.
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Did the team380 lames agree to their rosters and payments already?
If the EBA8 44.3 A380 Roster clause is somehow different to that,
then they don't seem to be complaining. "for any reason or none".
Management has shown no particular talent at rostering and it shows
in the ridiculous manpower utilisation around many workplaces.
If the EBA8 44.3 A380 Roster clause is somehow different to that,
then they don't seem to be complaining. "for any reason or none".
Management has shown no particular talent at rostering and it shows
in the ridiculous manpower utilisation around many workplaces.
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like the good Dr(skydrol) said, we now spend more time running from one side of the airport to the other that by the end of a 11 hr shift we rack up hours in travel time & job famil, handovers, figuring out where stores drop points are etc, etc........
Now if we still had the customer airlines as soon as we clock on at 5 am we are straight out the door to arrive the Pommy/ Thai, etc, etc & that = $$$$$$$.......
Fuggin Idiots !
Now if we still had the customer airlines as soon as we clock on at 5 am we are straight out the door to arrive the Pommy/ Thai, etc, etc & that = $$$$$$$.......
Fuggin Idiots !
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TJU is back in the hangar. Apparently Cargo tape doesn't work too well on overhead aircon ducts. When is DC and his henchmen finally going to be held accountable?
On youtube put Today Tonight Qantas into the search and there is a part1 and part 2 video about outsourcing. DC does a fantastic job for our cause. With DC at the helm, all I can say is GOD HELP US!!!!
On youtube put Today Tonight Qantas into the search and there is a part1 and part 2 video about outsourcing. DC does a fantastic job for our cause. With DC at the helm, all I can say is GOD HELP US!!!!
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Mike Bus
There is no way the Mike bus can come back unless.....
We get Gus Wiskey to do the Mike Bus communicators job.
I know he is retired now but surely we can bring him back as a "consultant"
There is no way the Mike bus can come back unless.....
We get Gus Wiskey to do the Mike Bus communicators job.
I know he is retired now but surely we can bring him back as a "consultant"
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"With DC at the helm, all I can say is GOD HELP US!!!!"
You've hit the nail on the head, he has no conception of the engineering and maintenace ethos, or whats left of it.
You've hit the nail on the head, he has no conception of the engineering and maintenace ethos, or whats left of it.
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44.3.2 As some of the above are 38 hour per week rosters there is no accrual of an RDO in those rosters. Payments for the above rosters will be in accordance with clause 24- Shift Work of this Agreement.
The last paragraph is the catch in all this...YOU WILL NOT GET ANY RDO'S AND YOU WILL BE WORKING A LOT MORE SHIFTS FOR THE SAME PAY.
The last paragraph is the catch in all this...YOU WILL NOT GET ANY RDO'S AND YOU WILL BE WORKING A LOT MORE SHIFTS FOR THE SAME PAY.
e.g
Wednesday 9.5 hours (dayshift)
Thursday 9.5 hours (nightshift)
Friday Off
Saturday 9.5 hours (arvoshift)
Sunday Off
Monday 9.5 hours (dayshift)
Tuesday Off
They've worked 38 hours for the week = no RDO.(crap roster but)
If you work permanent dayshift Monday to Friday 7am - 3pm you are working 40 hours for the week, so obviously each 4 weeks you are entitled to an R.D.O
No devil in the detail there.
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There is no way the Mike bus can come back unless.....
We get Gus Wiskey to do the Mike Bus communicators job.
We get Gus Wiskey to do the Mike Bus communicators job.
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Next you'll want Kerrop back at the fuel desk!!
Just is not enough cantankerous old blokes around to let you know what you have to look forward to...
Bring back the Mike buses and the works order 80025:- Awaiting Transport
So efficient but not sure which of the 4 pillars to place it under ???
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