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jobs at bankstown $31.77 plus normal loadings
yes boys n girls, thats right higher rate of pay than a/f single type lame.
no certification
no bull
no traffic
to much o/t
straight days or 24hr shift your choice
&
more than 5% of level 3 lame
google search select industrial & search under aircraft
I think that equates to >$82,000 on shift not bad
but then again I must of miss read the add as there is no engineer shortage
no certification
no bull
no traffic
to much o/t
straight days or 24hr shift your choice
&
more than 5% of level 3 lame
google search select industrial & search under aircraft
I think that equates to >$82,000 on shift not bad
but then again I must of miss read the add as there is no engineer shortage
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Acute Instinct - As per the quote you posted, D.C. and M.H. have not failed on all accounts.
Come on, you must admit, they have united us in pursuit of worthy objectives
1) A fair and reasonable wage for all LAMEs (starting with a 5% increase).
2) The removal of the worst engineering management Qantas has ever known.
and unite them in pursuit of objectives worthy of their best efforts
1) A fair and reasonable wage for all LAMEs (starting with a 5% increase).
2) The removal of the worst engineering management Qantas has ever known.
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It warms my heart to see you all holding the line. As our forbears in the trenches did all those years ago, but with the same steely sense of purpose. For our brothers in FNQ and in particular Mr Beal I would remind you who was with you shoulder to shoulder and helped you in your early days. Instant Karma's gona get you!
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Short_Circuit
5 + 5 + 5 + GD + DC + MH
he he he he he.
5% and the removal of DC would do it for me.
How the grand poobah got a 50% pay rise last
year makes me puke. His airy fairy policies suck,
and I'm sure a more practical engineering manager
could be had for his current 1.9 million dollar salary.
5 + 5 + 5 + GD + DC + MH
he he he he he.
5% and the removal of DC would do it for me.
How the grand poobah got a 50% pay rise last
year makes me puke. His airy fairy policies suck,
and I'm sure a more practical engineering manager
could be had for his current 1.9 million dollar salary.
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Quote:
A post I saw eary in the piece
[QUOTE
If we let this EBA get rammed through in it's current wording then I am telling you now, things will definatly never be the same again for Qantas LAMEs, and it's not good. Now if you are in fact an operational LAME you should understand this and be outraged at the audacity of those who seek to impose such conditions. If you are infact an agent provocateur or a company stooge then you allready know this and are by association in agreeance to all the claims made by the company.
"The ALAEA" is the sum total of ALL it's members. Hold fast, suck it up and don't shoot untill you see the whites of their eyes.[/QUOTE]
A post I saw eary in the piece
[QUOTE
]Gentlemen, i hope we settle this
i am reliably imformed that if we do not, things will never be the same again, i am asking all like members to be aware.....i am not a troll....i implore the ALAEA to be vigilant, please do not stuff up
i am reliably imformed that if we do not, things will never be the same again, i am asking all like members to be aware.....i am not a troll....i implore the ALAEA to be vigilant, please do not stuff up
"The ALAEA" is the sum total of ALL it's members. Hold fast, suck it up and don't shoot untill you see the whites of their eyes.[/QUOTE]
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Holding the line
http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...66-462,00.html
Tough talk, whos going to hold the line for you?is your army big enough?
Whos fault is it Qantas has an image problem GD
Oh your going to blame that on the engineers too eh,. or anyone except your own management team no doubt.would ruin their bonuses if you did that maybe.
Think a few cracks are beginning to show.
Mr Dixon also expressed eagerness to clear two hurdles before he steps down as chief executive next April.
Industrial action continues to hurt the airline, with its licensed engineers pushing for a 5 per cent pay rise over three years.
Mr Dixon is resolute in his final offer of 3 per cent: "We are holding the line. We must hold the line. If we were to give in to that extra 2 per cent, it would cost us, across the board, $360 million after the third year. This company can't afford this," he said.
There is also the considerable matter of cleaning up Qantas' public image which, according to Mr Dixon, has unjustly taken a battering.
"We are a tall poppy. I'm not saying we don't have problems - everybody has problems. But this is, by any measure anywhere in the world, a very high-quality airline in just about every respect."
Industrial action continues to hurt the airline, with its licensed engineers pushing for a 5 per cent pay rise over three years.
Mr Dixon is resolute in his final offer of 3 per cent: "We are holding the line. We must hold the line. If we were to give in to that extra 2 per cent, it would cost us, across the board, $360 million after the third year. This company can't afford this," he said.
There is also the considerable matter of cleaning up Qantas' public image which, according to Mr Dixon, has unjustly taken a battering.
"We are a tall poppy. I'm not saying we don't have problems - everybody has problems. But this is, by any measure anywhere in the world, a very high-quality airline in just about every respect."
Whos fault is it Qantas has an image problem GD
Oh your going to blame that on the engineers too eh,. or anyone except your own management team no doubt.would ruin their bonuses if you did that maybe.
Think a few cracks are beginning to show.
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A check
Cougar ,
The Group in LAX has had open dialogue with the Fed Exec and they have the full approval of the union to be in LAX. To pull out of LAX now would result in the station being FULLY manned by scab labour and the ability to monitor and measure to work being carried out at this station would be lost not only in the short term but possibly forever.
Sometimes one needs to look a little further than the outcome of one A check.............
The Group in LAX has had open dialogue with the Fed Exec and they have the full approval of the union to be in LAX. To pull out of LAX now would result in the station being FULLY manned by scab labour and the ability to monitor and measure to work being carried out at this station would be lost not only in the short term but possibly forever.
Sometimes one needs to look a little further than the outcome of one A check.............
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Sorry cpiom, but you are in the minority here. If (as you allude) you know the quoted passage(s) came from an exec member then you know enough to call up said member and ask him to qualify his post. Can guess you will be put straight and sent home, tail between legs.
CPIOM:
Rubbish CPIOM. Qantas has a virtual monopoly of capacity and facilities in Australia, and no matter how badly it is managed people have no choice but to fly Qantas.
As for "destroying your employer" Management are doing a pretty good job of that themselves.
Furthermore, an airline that can only be kept profitable by endlessly making its staff cheaper through not compensating them for inflation - is consuming the very resource that generates it's revenue. That's not very smart, and it's not sustainable at all.
To put it another way, if an airline's ticket price reflects inflationary pressures (which they do), and the price of all other resources it consumes reflect inflationary pressures (like fuel), then why the hell shouldn't wages paid reflect inflationary pressures?
Of course Qantas was facing severe and sustained competition both domestically and Internationally (which it isn't), then Management could legitimately ask all staff (including themselves) to take a pay cut, restructure, whatever, but to reach that point, shareholder dividends would have to be zero, not 1.5 billion.
On a different note, I understand the QF Board is going to meet in New York. My guess is that they are not going to like the funding options proposed, and in any case, they are out of their league playing games in that city. Best chance for funding the Dreamliner would be doing a Rupert Murdoch and getting the U.S. Exim (import/export) bank to fund it at concessional rates. Maybe the Europeans will do the same thing for them.
Either that....or they are going to come back and try for another end run around the Qantas Sale Act.
once the customer leaves they don't come back. Less flights, less need for employees. I am not saying this will happen what I am saying is the way a minority are acting on this thread to destroy their employer, and in fact their income, whether it is good or bad, is incomprehensable.(sic)
As for "destroying your employer" Management are doing a pretty good job of that themselves.
Furthermore, an airline that can only be kept profitable by endlessly making its staff cheaper through not compensating them for inflation - is consuming the very resource that generates it's revenue. That's not very smart, and it's not sustainable at all.
To put it another way, if an airline's ticket price reflects inflationary pressures (which they do), and the price of all other resources it consumes reflect inflationary pressures (like fuel), then why the hell shouldn't wages paid reflect inflationary pressures?
Of course Qantas was facing severe and sustained competition both domestically and Internationally (which it isn't), then Management could legitimately ask all staff (including themselves) to take a pay cut, restructure, whatever, but to reach that point, shareholder dividends would have to be zero, not 1.5 billion.
On a different note, I understand the QF Board is going to meet in New York. My guess is that they are not going to like the funding options proposed, and in any case, they are out of their league playing games in that city. Best chance for funding the Dreamliner would be doing a Rupert Murdoch and getting the U.S. Exim (import/export) bank to fund it at concessional rates. Maybe the Europeans will do the same thing for them.
Either that....or they are going to come back and try for another end run around the Qantas Sale Act.
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cpiom,
You accuse the exec of showing gross dis-respect for others but is that not what our management do each day.
The corporation is a psychopath and its managers like you that have made the workplace the institution that it is.
You accuse the exec of showing gross dis-respect for others but is that not what our management do each day.
The corporation is a psychopath and its managers like you that have made the workplace the institution that it is.
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cpiom
the fact that you don't want to call your fed exec member leads me to believe that you have a mind like a steel trap - closed, rusty and won't let anything in.
There is a reason that the bulk of us feel like we do. Years of neglect will do that to any relationship.
But now we are standing as one and letting our concerns be voiced.
the fact that you don't want to call your fed exec member leads me to believe that you have a mind like a steel trap - closed, rusty and won't let anything in.
There is a reason that the bulk of us feel like we do. Years of neglect will do that to any relationship.
But now we are standing as one and letting our concerns be voiced.
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By Andrew Carswell | June 12, 2008 The Australian
Ops, that one slipped out. 
Take 5 (%)
Mr Dixon said the local sector would withstand even higher fuel prices. "No Australian airline will even get close (to collapsing)," Mr Dixon said.
"I don't think there is any doubt that the Australian airline industry is one of the strongest.
"I don't think there is any doubt that the Australian airline industry is one of the strongest.
Take 5 (%)
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Wouldn't expect news as yet,more likely an update around 5-6 pm est I'd reckon.
Can't see Big dick buckeling on 5% issue,no doubt he will come with an
offer of 1 or 2 measly training point for all and be told to
off.
Can't see members,coupled with the current unity,folding on anything less than (3% plus a level and all backpay) or (5% with all backpay)
Could very well be a mutual truce with 3% and sweeteners or ALL OUT WAR.
My money is on the latter and am fully prepared to see his career at QF pushed to an early grave.
Can't see Big dick buckeling on 5% issue,no doubt he will come with an
offer of 1 or 2 measly training point for all and be told to
off.Can't see members,coupled with the current unity,folding on anything less than (3% plus a level and all backpay) or (5% with all backpay)
Could very well be a mutual truce with 3% and sweeteners or ALL OUT WAR.
My money is on the latter and am fully prepared to see his career at QF pushed to an early grave.
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mel applied, yes I am in the minority; on this thread, but tell me why I would bother calling anybody on the exec when they show such a gross dis-respect for others. Call me a troll or act like little kids and put your fingers in your ears "nah, nah, nah" but the facts speak louder than words or actions. Try and justify your actions as much as you like, once the customer leaves they don't come back. Less flights, less need for employees. I am not saying this will happen what I am saying is the way a minority are acting on this thread to destroy their employer, and in fact their income, whether it is good or bad, is incomprehensable.
Cpiom
While you stand alone with your opinion on this thread, which I respect, the tone of your blatherings seem to reflect that the Industrial Action currently under way will bring the LAMEs undone when the company takes its gloves off and we feel its full force of its retribution or retaliation. As you say, WE HAD your support.
I for one agree this could be the result but I do NOT agree it is because of the PIA. PIA may be a catalyst but not the cause!
If the company want to smash us, it is something they (QF) were going to do anyway. If the company do it now, it will be under the media spot light and give us a few cards to play that we would not have if it were done the slow and nasty way e.g. H245 closure. Secondly this PIA is proving to be a learning ground to many what can be achieved if we stand together, this will prove to be invaluable tool if ACS is to be segmented, sold off or out sourced. As I doubt you could sell the ACS business to even "romulous" with current tone of resentment toward the ACS management whom are loud-mouthed, air-headed, self-regarding bunch of bozos. This is very much reflected in the current floor staff to management relationship in the seething resentment towards the 3rd floor characters every time they open their mouth.
Ask your self, If ACS is to have a new owner, that owner would not need anyone above the DMM and would definitely want its own people to develop its own style and management relationship or repour. It may not be such a bad thing as I am over this current devil I know.
I am sure many members of the ALAEA have reflected on this possible outcome (many of whom do not post on prune) and realise that if we agree to the rubbish offered by the company now, we will go backwards forever in this current form and if the above also happens we need to be on the front foot to negotiate the best future and T & Cs possible.
Your Doom and Gloom or one door closing another opening depends how you look at it.
Bring it on
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In many ways Bolty I think gutting ACS from DMM up and starting again without factions and chow mein clubs would be very beneficial for the guys on the floor doing the work.
I thought this was going to happen a few years back in BNE heavy when they recruited and outsider for the manager up there. But as always the old mentality crept in and has stuffed up any chance of making it a winner.
So if they started again and decided ACS is a business that has potential to make them a lot of money. the first thing to do would be cull the deadwood and start again. The whole place is full of incompetent people that wont leave because they know that they are in a sheltered workshop and the wont survive outside.
but then that is another thread i guess
I thought this was going to happen a few years back in BNE heavy when they recruited and outsider for the manager up there. But as always the old mentality crept in and has stuffed up any chance of making it a winner.
So if they started again and decided ACS is a business that has potential to make them a lot of money. the first thing to do would be cull the deadwood and start again. The whole place is full of incompetent people that wont leave because they know that they are in a sheltered workshop and the wont survive outside.
but then that is another thread i guess