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Spanner twister, have you been to a LAME EBA Feedback meeting ?
I think you have because at the one I was at the President said quote
"Wait patiently by the river and you will see the bodies of your dead enemies float by"
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It is not his, it is from a very old but distinguished book called 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu
Someone is doing their homework
I think you have because at the one I was at the President said quote
"Wait patiently by the river and you will see the bodies of your dead enemies float by"
unquote
It is not his, it is from a very old but distinguished book called 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu
Someone is doing their homework
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ACS LAME,
I think you are spot on the money. Asking around the crew last night (and other crews on shift), it seems that the majority of LAME's are very happy to let this action roll on slowly. And the headline 5% is no longer acceptable. I think the guy's are enjoying the big boost in moral the last few weeks more than anything, and know it will die down when this is all over.
I would vote down 5%, and would like the overtime bans and stop work meetings to continue for another 6 months at least. I have never worked so hard, and unified with my brothers. These are definately good times.
Those acting Snr's, Supervisors and DMM's trying to make a name for themselves by cutting corners and pressuring young LAME's, we know who you are, and we will remember you.
I think you are spot on the money. Asking around the crew last night (and other crews on shift), it seems that the majority of LAME's are very happy to let this action roll on slowly. And the headline 5% is no longer acceptable. I think the guy's are enjoying the big boost in moral the last few weeks more than anything, and know it will die down when this is all over.
I would vote down 5%, and would like the overtime bans and stop work meetings to continue for another 6 months at least. I have never worked so hard, and unified with my brothers. These are definately good times.
Those acting Snr's, Supervisors and DMM's trying to make a name for themselves by cutting corners and pressuring young LAME's, we know who you are, and we will remember you.
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Well I think almost all at the SIT are not working OT after shift, except for the show ponies doing trips to Queenstown and Noumea...they will be remembered..
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Come on guys, it's hard times with the price of fuel and all!
How about 10% for last year, (the year of record profits and more productivity than expected).
And we give in a little and take 3% for the next 2yrs?
Just to help them out in these hard times?
Sounds fair.
With no removal of any of the items offered in the proposal full backpay (Shift, regrade O/T etc) of course, NO EXECPTIONS!
Any profit in year 4 = CPI + 2%. Just as a sweetner so you dont have to say sorry.
Just FOG & Team.
How about 10% for last year, (the year of record profits and more productivity than expected).
And we give in a little and take 3% for the next 2yrs?
Just to help them out in these hard times?
Sounds fair.
With no removal of any of the items offered in the proposal full backpay (Shift, regrade O/T etc) of course, NO EXECPTIONS!
Any profit in year 4 = CPI + 2%. Just as a sweetner so you dont have to say sorry.
Just FOG & Team.
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But we still need these quotas sorted out.
We all pay for the high price of fuel, not just Qf. The only diff is that Qf has been making more profits as the oil price has been rising (since jan 2006, our last payrise), and of course we have not.
We all pay for the high price of fuel, not just Qf. The only diff is that Qf has been making more profits as the oil price has been rising (since jan 2006, our last payrise), and of course we have not.
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Yep, the fools doing the trips and bignoting themslves will never live it down. Wether through stupidity, being naive, scared of retibution, being bullied or plain old pushing their own cart they are now damaged goods.
If you are committed you will easily come up with a reason why you cannot do their bidding. To comply and bend over is self destructive and will not do any good as a whole.
To the guys who are basically being selfish and thinking (stupidly) that their managers will pay them back for basically being scabs, enjoy fellas the price to pay is huge.
Also, when we get our money I hope the guys who are doing the OT and trips donate their pay increase to charity. You guys don't deserve it so give it to those who do.
No OT after shift is being done in Sydney that I have heard of. CNS guys that are doing it, you guys will reap what you sow. Karma IS a bitch!
If you are committed you will easily come up with a reason why you cannot do their bidding. To comply and bend over is self destructive and will not do any good as a whole.
To the guys who are basically being selfish and thinking (stupidly) that their managers will pay them back for basically being scabs, enjoy fellas the price to pay is huge.
Also, when we get our money I hope the guys who are doing the OT and trips donate their pay increase to charity. You guys don't deserve it so give it to those who do.
No OT after shift is being done in Sydney that I have heard of. CNS guys that are doing it, you guys will reap what you sow. Karma IS a bitch!
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Its great to see so much unity and support between LAMEs. SIT no o/t. Base no o/t. Mel no o/t. Mel Hgr 23 from 26 sick on one day. Mel Dom refusing to chock 747 aircraft. So many hold items being entered day after day by supporters in Aus, Sin and Lax. Work to rule in place Adl and Per.
and u fu**ers in Cairns have 3 scum working more o/t than they have in their lives.
Is it true that one of them learnt from his father who was a $cab in 89?
Another sat and watched the asn spend $60,000 to save his brother who was on manslaughter charges after he was involved in maintenance of an aircraft that turned into a coffin.
Third thinks he is the Be al and end all of LAMEs
Just because you amigos hide up in the tropics, do not think you will be forgotten. You will all be remembered for just what you are.
and u fu**ers in Cairns have 3 scum working more o/t than they have in their lives.
Is it true that one of them learnt from his father who was a $cab in 89?
Another sat and watched the asn spend $60,000 to save his brother who was on manslaughter charges after he was involved in maintenance of an aircraft that turned into a coffin.
Third thinks he is the Be al and end all of LAMEs
Just because you amigos hide up in the tropics, do not think you will be forgotten. You will all be remembered for just what you are.
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Price of oil goes up, airline travel costs more...
Price of oil goes up, everybody who pays for fuel in their car takes a pay cut!
Who pays for GD's fuel? Bet he doesn't dip into his wallet, except to drag out a corporate card (that we all pay for!).
It's not just oil, the flow on means that almost every consumer goods will cost more due to increased transportation prices.
So do you think that the prices will fall when the price of oil comes down? Not a chance, the shareholders wouldn't stand for it!
Price of oil goes up, everybody who pays for fuel in their car takes a pay cut!
Who pays for GD's fuel? Bet he doesn't dip into his wallet, except to drag out a corporate card (that we all pay for!).
It's not just oil, the flow on means that almost every consumer goods will cost more due to increased transportation prices.
So do you think that the prices will fall when the price of oil comes down? Not a chance, the shareholders wouldn't stand for it!
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A lot of the guys up there in CNS are towing the line. Three bad eggs dont make the dozen mate.
For the sake of those making the effort in CNS. I hope you all support them and I hope you all dont forget the 3 mentioned.
For the sake of those making the effort in CNS. I hope you all support them and I hope you all dont forget the 3 mentioned.
Gingerbread:
Whoever thought this idea up is an idiot. Don't accept it.
For a start, there can be no trust, and in any case Qantas profit figures can be any number the management chooses.
Furthermore, as has already been stated elsewhere in this thread QF profits are headed South for the next three years while they borrow to pay for all these new aircraft, so the chances of receiving some "blue sky' are minimal.
But wait, there is more. For any person who calls himself a manager to push "Bonus Schemes" this way would demonstrate their incompetence. For a start, bonus schemes have historically been responsible for more industrial mayhem than pay negotiations, as any manufacturing engineer will tell you. So anyone pushing this line is either dumb or plans not to be around when the proverbial hits the fan.
As a general rule, bonus schemes can only work where the employees involved have some control over their performance - which is not the case with a maintenance organisation, nor should it ever be, since it creates an incentive not to put safety first.
On the other hand, profit sharing is another thing, and should be encouraged.
However, the rate of inflation marches on inexorably, and there is no way that compensation for it can or should be tied to performance.
The obvious answer, which by the way, is well supported by certain fund managers who hold significant share holdings in QAN is: Instead of arguing over a certain 2%, (and waiting to see if the sky falls in, or it really is blue beyond the clouds), why not agree not to pay the 2% in dispute if the clouds don't clear but pay 4% at risk should blue sky appear. Assuming QAN's executive at risk bonuses continue to pay out at 75% on average, in the long run, the LAMES should get an average of 3% pa and QAN $hareholders will smile all the way to the bank."
For a start, there can be no trust, and in any case Qantas profit figures can be any number the management chooses.
Furthermore, as has already been stated elsewhere in this thread QF profits are headed South for the next three years while they borrow to pay for all these new aircraft, so the chances of receiving some "blue sky' are minimal.
But wait, there is more. For any person who calls himself a manager to push "Bonus Schemes" this way would demonstrate their incompetence. For a start, bonus schemes have historically been responsible for more industrial mayhem than pay negotiations, as any manufacturing engineer will tell you. So anyone pushing this line is either dumb or plans not to be around when the proverbial hits the fan.
As a general rule, bonus schemes can only work where the employees involved have some control over their performance - which is not the case with a maintenance organisation, nor should it ever be, since it creates an incentive not to put safety first.
On the other hand, profit sharing is another thing, and should be encouraged.
However, the rate of inflation marches on inexorably, and there is no way that compensation for it can or should be tied to performance.
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I am really confused on this one boys/girls. Every time GD opens his trap the doom & gloom begins, especially about oil/fuel prices atm. Heres the prob,
On sunday the qf31 left syd @ 2230 (5 1/2 hrs late) with only 3 PAX on board.
Yes you read it right, 3 PAX on board, apparently most pax were put on the qf5/ BA & SQ due to the delayed QF31. Why would you put 80 tonne of fuel on board and fly empty. GD maybe you can answer this when the fedesec asks.
Any thoughts cause my head is hurting?
On sunday the qf31 left syd @ 2230 (5 1/2 hrs late) with only 3 PAX on board.
Yes you read it right, 3 PAX on board, apparently most pax were put on the qf5/ BA & SQ due to the delayed QF31. Why would you put 80 tonne of fuel on board and fly empty. GD maybe you can answer this when the fedesec asks.
Any thoughts cause my head is hurting?
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Qantas braces for safety compliance shut downs
From crikey.com.au
Qantas braces for safety compliance shut downs
Ben Sandilands writes:
No-one is putting hard figures on this, but Qantas faces widespread safety compliance enforced shut downs of its inter-city services by the end of this week unless it resolves its dispute with the maintenance union.
Several dozen Boeing 767s, the back bone of the Cityflyer services, are running out of time to have defects corrected.
A spokesman for the Civil Aviation Safety Authority said this morning he knew of no arrangements to extend the legal period in which multiply defective jets can continue in service.
The painful reality for Qantas is that it is being done slowly but thoroughly by the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association which is supporting its demand for 5% pay rises rather than the 3% on offer with over time bans.
There appears to be a scab shortage.
The union members are still working, and being paid, and the airline is grinding to a halt around them.
The airline can’t find enough qualified people in management to check and sign out jets for their next scheduled flight, even if they are within a period in which defects, which may include small cabin pressure leaks as well as blocked toilets or drains, are allowed to fly unfixed.
In recent days Qantas has diverted some international 747s to routes like Sydney-Melbourne to take the pressure off the 767s. Unfortunately the 747s are hard to efficiently load and unload between short flights, compounding the frustration for travellers already displaced by fog closures at major airports.
There are unconfirmed reports of Melbourne ground engineers not trained in 747 operations refusing to handle the jet in accordance with company rules, and being docked four hours pay for refusing to engage in what is technically dismissible conduct in service a jet for which they have no qualifications.
There are complaints from travellers that the Sydney-Melbourne trip is taking up to 6-8 hours by air, totally destroying the typical day trip to do business between either.
It can be driven in 10 hours at street legal speeds with several rest stops.
Send your tips to [email protected], submit them anonymously here or SMS tips and photos to 0427 TIP OFF.
From crikey.com.au
Qantas braces for safety compliance shut downs
Ben Sandilands writes:
No-one is putting hard figures on this, but Qantas faces widespread safety compliance enforced shut downs of its inter-city services by the end of this week unless it resolves its dispute with the maintenance union.
Several dozen Boeing 767s, the back bone of the Cityflyer services, are running out of time to have defects corrected.
A spokesman for the Civil Aviation Safety Authority said this morning he knew of no arrangements to extend the legal period in which multiply defective jets can continue in service.
The painful reality for Qantas is that it is being done slowly but thoroughly by the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association which is supporting its demand for 5% pay rises rather than the 3% on offer with over time bans.
There appears to be a scab shortage.
The union members are still working, and being paid, and the airline is grinding to a halt around them.
The airline can’t find enough qualified people in management to check and sign out jets for their next scheduled flight, even if they are within a period in which defects, which may include small cabin pressure leaks as well as blocked toilets or drains, are allowed to fly unfixed.
In recent days Qantas has diverted some international 747s to routes like Sydney-Melbourne to take the pressure off the 767s. Unfortunately the 747s are hard to efficiently load and unload between short flights, compounding the frustration for travellers already displaced by fog closures at major airports.
There are unconfirmed reports of Melbourne ground engineers not trained in 747 operations refusing to handle the jet in accordance with company rules, and being docked four hours pay for refusing to engage in what is technically dismissible conduct in service a jet for which they have no qualifications.
There are complaints from travellers that the Sydney-Melbourne trip is taking up to 6-8 hours by air, totally destroying the typical day trip to do business between either.
It can be driven in 10 hours at street legal speeds with several rest stops.
Send your tips to [email protected], submit them anonymously here or SMS tips and photos to 0427 TIP OFF.
Reply to Scab Watch's post #2181
It is reliably rumoured that 99% of the blokes at BNE Heavy H3 have so many family activities on and so much work to do around the house that they have been completely unavailable for overtime lately...