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QANTAS UNIFORMS DEPARTMENT CLOSURE Due to a large recruitment exercise, the Qantas Uniforms Department in Mascot will be closed on Thursday 19 June 2008 from 8am to 4.15pm in order to perform full fittings for new recruits. For urgent issues only on this date, please contact Qantas Uniforms on ext 21450.Link
Hmmm............... Recruitment freeze, New recruits.......
Uniforms for S*%bS ? or has QF suddenly acquired more staff?????????????????????????
5%+5%+5% no more, no less,nothing else.!!!!!
Hmmm............... Recruitment freeze, New recruits.......
Uniforms for S*%bS ? or has QF suddenly acquired more staff?????????????????????????
5%+5%+5% no more, no less,nothing else.!!!!!
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Might be a good idea if the Syd report back meeting is held at the entrance to the Uniforms Department on Thursday. SP if you take a few enrolment forms, who knows your luck, we might pick up a few new members.
On an operational front, it was a bad day for "Return to Gate" yesterday. QF 175 and QF 31 attempted to get away but ended up with 3 hour delays. QF 77 in Perth returned to gate and is still to depart. Estimated delay is 18 hours. Might I suggest that if it is an avionic fault that you put in a request for one of the new Young ops managers. I hear they operate with their own tool box and are available for call-outs. If you get your request in early he might be able to ride the A-check back from LAX (If he is game - one doesn't know how skilled Mexican mercinaries are!).
On an operational front, it was a bad day for "Return to Gate" yesterday. QF 175 and QF 31 attempted to get away but ended up with 3 hour delays. QF 77 in Perth returned to gate and is still to depart. Estimated delay is 18 hours. Might I suggest that if it is an avionic fault that you put in a request for one of the new Young ops managers. I hear they operate with their own tool box and are available for call-outs. If you get your request in early he might be able to ride the A-check back from LAX (If he is game - one doesn't know how skilled Mexican mercinaries are!).
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I have been with Qantas for over 35 years and have never seen this company so mismanaged in my time here.These so called managers have no idea how to look after there workforce that is why there is no loyalty left,even high up in the ranks.
And as for the new ops managers,what a poor chose,sorry should re phrase that,the guys they hand picked should fit nicely into Mr M's heram.
By the way from my position the company is really hurting,the deferals have blown out and the MEL's have reached crisis point.
The company is holding crisi meetings at least three times a day to see what they can plan next.
To the Fed Sec,my pesonal advise would be to stay on our existing rosters,no overtime,recall all secondments,no higher duties.
If we do the above this company will be on its knees in no time.Don't worry as ther knees are trembling fast already, just waiting for them to collapse.
Also suggest we do not go out on 4 hour stoppages but correpond to the members via email.This way the company cannot bring in outside labour.
As for the fuel crisis,how can this company justify the amount of positioning flights we are doing (no pax on board) to try and keep the scheds on track due to not enough serviceable aircraft.The last one was sending an aircraft to Lax empty due to the A check being carried out up there.I am sure the media would like to get a hold of this.
And as for the new ops managers,what a poor chose,sorry should re phrase that,the guys they hand picked should fit nicely into Mr M's heram.
By the way from my position the company is really hurting,the deferals have blown out and the MEL's have reached crisis point.
The company is holding crisi meetings at least three times a day to see what they can plan next.
To the Fed Sec,my pesonal advise would be to stay on our existing rosters,no overtime,recall all secondments,no higher duties.
If we do the above this company will be on its knees in no time.Don't worry as ther knees are trembling fast already, just waiting for them to collapse.
Also suggest we do not go out on 4 hour stoppages but correpond to the members via email.This way the company cannot bring in outside labour.
As for the fuel crisis,how can this company justify the amount of positioning flights we are doing (no pax on board) to try and keep the scheds on track due to not enough serviceable aircraft.The last one was sending an aircraft to Lax empty due to the A check being carried out up there.I am sure the media would like to get a hold of this.
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You can't structure your campaign like this mate it would be over after the first pay day and I don't think you would lik the result.
If you ban Higher Duties the place would still operate but every single LAME would be asked to step up. Even the ones who have never acted up before. Every single LAME would then be docked their entire pay every day but they would still have to do their normal work. Same for secondments.
I don't think the scabs will be coming on next time we have a stop work.
If you ban Higher Duties the place would still operate but every single LAME would be asked to step up. Even the ones who have never acted up before. Every single LAME would then be docked their entire pay every day but they would still have to do their normal work. Same for secondments.
I don't think the scabs will be coming on next time we have a stop work.
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QANTAS UNIFORMS DEPARTMENT CLOSURE Due to a large recruitment exercise, the Qantas Uniforms Department in Mascot will be closed on Thursday 19 June 2008 from 8am to 4.15pm in order to perform full fittings for new recruits. For urgent issues only on this date, please contact Qantas Uniforms on ext 21450.Link
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Protected Industrial Action protects you from losing your job for participating (it is illegal to sack someone for taking part in PIA). They will claim they have a right to deduct a minimum (they will take your full day) of 4 hours pay because you didn't do what you were asked (higher duties) and although untested in the Federal Court they will do it and every LAME will have no pay. Sure fire way to end the dispute in under 2 weeks and designed by John Howard so Australian workers have no bargaining power. He did not take into account our LAME licences. Use them to your benifit guys (and girls).
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The problem is, as I see it, that the basically ehtical LAMEs are trying to negotiate with people that are used of amoral office politics and climbing up the knives they stick in other's backs.
Whos word would you trust a LAME's or a Manager's?
Whos word would you trust a LAME's or a Manager's?
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So lets test it!
FED SEC
In regards to getting docked 4hr pay for refusing to do higher duties
why don't we test it?
Even If we do loose 4hrs pay we will at least know where we stand
and its going to further incite the workforce at the base in question.
News would spread like wildfire to all ports and delays across the network would substantually increase during that period.
I will even chip in to cover the lucky persons wages.
I am amazed it hasn't already happened because someone at my base
has been asked and knocked it back. I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
All you need to say is that you are feeling stressed buy the whole thing
and don't want the extra responsibility.
Love to see QF defend that in court.
Secondly (here goes the broken record again) its time for a 4hr all ports stop work meeting during peak period. Stagger it if need be to cause maximum disruption.
This should include overseas stations as well.
The following week take a day off and have a meeting about an
8hr roster.
We need to keep momentum.
Don't give QF time to get their s**t together.
Finally tell QF no more meetings until they have an offer .
We have dealt with them in good faith for the last time.
All this is doing is playing into Oldmeadows stalling tactics.
MAINTAIN THE RAGE!
In regards to getting docked 4hr pay for refusing to do higher duties
why don't we test it?
Even If we do loose 4hrs pay we will at least know where we stand
and its going to further incite the workforce at the base in question.
News would spread like wildfire to all ports and delays across the network would substantually increase during that period.
I will even chip in to cover the lucky persons wages.
I am amazed it hasn't already happened because someone at my base
has been asked and knocked it back. I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
All you need to say is that you are feeling stressed buy the whole thing
and don't want the extra responsibility.
Love to see QF defend that in court.
Secondly (here goes the broken record again) its time for a 4hr all ports stop work meeting during peak period. Stagger it if need be to cause maximum disruption.
This should include overseas stations as well.
The following week take a day off and have a meeting about an
8hr roster.
We need to keep momentum.
Don't give QF time to get their s**t together.
Finally tell QF no more meetings until they have an offer .
We have dealt with them in good faith for the last time.
All this is doing is playing into Oldmeadows stalling tactics.
MAINTAIN THE RAGE!
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We have objectives right now and the main one is to get the best EBA result.
If you want to test laws you should not jeopardise your main objective to achieve that. You will not only lose 4 hours pay you will lose all your pay every day. How will you chip in when every single LAME has no wage including you?
Weigh this up against the impact a higher duties ban would have. Say there are 100 Snr's or DMM's on duty around the country on each particular day, non have leave but 15 are sick and nobody does higher duties. How many delays would that cause? I would suggest SFA. Then not one LAME is getting paid but they must still work, this is not getting value for our buck.
Let us co-ordinate the campaign guys. We can test laws later in our time.
If you want to test laws you should not jeopardise your main objective to achieve that. You will not only lose 4 hours pay you will lose all your pay every day. How will you chip in when every single LAME has no wage including you?
Weigh this up against the impact a higher duties ban would have. Say there are 100 Snr's or DMM's on duty around the country on each particular day, non have leave but 15 are sick and nobody does higher duties. How many delays would that cause? I would suggest SFA. Then not one LAME is getting paid but they must still work, this is not getting value for our buck.
Let us co-ordinate the campaign guys. We can test laws later in our time.
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Either PM me or put a post here telling us how we can donate.
Thanks for your patience in allowing us to be here.
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Let us co-ordinate the campaign guys. We can test laws later in our time.
I have no problems loosing some wages in this PIA but to give them a chance to
try out their sc@b labour or give them opportunity to lock the gates is not our aim at present.
Maintain the information rage but do not get banned or blamed.
Keep up the good work fedsec-give them nothing to do us over.
just a thought-if they are coming back with something(probably nothing) next week-well lets just wait n see what it is and if its what we suspect well then we have done the right thing again and its then time to hit them and again show the media just how insincere they are.what do u think??
just a thought-if they are coming back with something(probably nothing) next week-well lets just wait n see what it is and if its what we suspect well then we have done the right thing again and its then time to hit them and again show the media just how insincere they are.what do u think??
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Secondments and Higher Duties
When acting as a Leading Hand or senior, it is your role to ensure Policy and Procedure is correctly followed. If you do it Do it Properly! It would be a nice change to see THEIR policy enforced from above. Good Leaders could help the cause rather than hinder
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All,
I need to map out some times for further stopwork meetings across the country. Can you pls post or PM me with the best times to have meetings? Also need to know exactly when rosters in each section start and finish. ie. Syd Dom nightshift finishes at 0600. Then I know that a four hour stoppage from 0200 would allow them not to go back to work. Need to know all ports though as they all vary.
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I need to map out some times for further stopwork meetings across the country. Can you pls post or PM me with the best times to have meetings? Also need to know exactly when rosters in each section start and finish. ie. Syd Dom nightshift finishes at 0600. Then I know that a four hour stoppage from 0200 would allow them not to go back to work. Need to know all ports though as they all vary.
cheers
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Stop Work Meetings
The best time in Cairns would be 1100 till 1500. This is the hottest part of the day so from a OH&S point of view it would be great. No one wants to get dehydrated (also i just remembered there is a lot of flights then too ) We would really like to be included this time because there is quite a few people with suspect morals in this station.Some have been named and hopefully shamed previously in this thread.
Unfortunately a few bad seeds in Cairns are letting everyone else down.But it would be great to test this stations mettle. I think there will be a few suprises.
) We would really like to be included this time because there is quite a few people with suspect morals in this station.Some have been named and hopefully shamed previously in this thread.Unfortunately a few bad seeds in Cairns are letting everyone else down.But it would be great to test this stations mettle. I think there will be a few suprises.
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Just an idea
LET'S STEP IT UP A NOTCH!
Stop them stalling while they build the SCABforce and take the next step in PIA.
SP, if you think 8 hour rosters is the next logical move, LET'S DO IT.
I have one suggestion though. When we take our next stop work meeting, the association should allocate/approve one person to stay on the job in each port so we can identify some of these SCABS.
In my opinion the last thing we should do now, or ever, is go out on the grass indefinitely. We'll more than likely not have jobs to go back to. Don't underestimate the numbers or qualifications of the SCABS!
Stop them stalling while they build the SCABforce and take the next step in PIA.
SP, if you think 8 hour rosters is the next logical move, LET'S DO IT.
I have one suggestion though. When we take our next stop work meeting, the association should allocate/approve one person to stay on the job in each port so we can identify some of these SCABS.
In my opinion the last thing we should do now, or ever, is go out on the grass indefinitely. We'll more than likely not have jobs to go back to. Don't underestimate the numbers or qualifications of the SCABS!
Hello to my good friend D.E.
Be careful what you wish for guys, it may just come true. 8 Hour rosters are not the best for families. If we have to go there, well so be it, but it should be a last resort when absolutly all else has failed. In the mean time we need patience and solidarity behind the executive team and their strategy. We need patience with ourselves and our colleagues. We need patience with our work ethic especially. We do not want to have any unsafe acts on the job.
4 hour stop work meetings provide media coverage for the Association. The biggest problem for QE is their hold items and slowly overrunning checks. This dispute is making management work overtime just to at their basic duties done.
Our actions cost Borgetti and the airline, not QE. Evetually the airline will hurt sufficent to rein in QE.
Pilots, during any stopwork by Engineers I suggest only use the techlog for defects. The CCL is a scam and does not have to be cleared by a lame on a transit of under 1 hour duration.
4 hour stop work meetings provide media coverage for the Association. The biggest problem for QE is their hold items and slowly overrunning checks. This dispute is making management work overtime just to at their basic duties done.
Our actions cost Borgetti and the airline, not QE. Evetually the airline will hurt sufficent to rein in QE.
Pilots, during any stopwork by Engineers I suggest only use the techlog for defects. The CCL is a scam and does not have to be cleared by a lame on a transit of under 1 hour duration.