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From what I am hearing the ALAEA isn't doing much consulting with its members during this 3 week show of faith. Surely you would think they would keep everyone informed of their progress, so that the members know they are still fighting for what the members want and not what the association officials want.
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Rudderless,
I know precisely where the fuel boost pumps are situated in the tanks and fully understand the effects of attitude. However, unless Mr Purvinas has been misquoted by the press, he is misinformed. Water does not float on top of fuel. SG of water=1.0, SG of A1 at the temperature you can expect after a long flight probably 0.82.
Hotdog, maybe you should learn where it is sucked from and why the attitude of the aircraft could play a roll after fuel had settled for some time and not so quickly take news reports as gospel.
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Possible Capitulation
Ahhh.
I am starting to feel it in my water that the executive are about to capitulate and go on bended knee to its constituency and ask them to accept the deal that they have been offered.
Like many before them they may have succumbed to the greater powers, and defeated in battle go with bowed head to their army.
Will they ever see their enemies float by in the river, or will their enemies sit high on the hill and smile down upon them, satisfied that another battle has been won?
Ohhh.
The criticisms of past executives…………….were they merely lip service???
Are the current leaders consistant with the past leaders???????
Make your own judgement, as I have.
I am starting to feel it in my water that the executive are about to capitulate and go on bended knee to its constituency and ask them to accept the deal that they have been offered.
Like many before them they may have succumbed to the greater powers, and defeated in battle go with bowed head to their army.
Will they ever see their enemies float by in the river, or will their enemies sit high on the hill and smile down upon them, satisfied that another battle has been won?
Ohhh.
The criticisms of past executives…………….were they merely lip service???
Are the current leaders consistant with the past leaders???????
Make your own judgement, as I have.
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you missed my point!
but if that all rises to the top of the fuel tank
The pumps aren't there and water doesn't float on fuel. Most I suggest know this would be a journalist error.
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Run out of puff?
Headcone, keep your chin up, my waters have never felt better. Can you hold back on the OT for another week or let me guess you never even considered it or couldn't give a red rats bum.
I see plenty of info, if you choose to read it that is. I don't think the current exec asks if its ok by QF anymore. I don't see them folding either unless directed by the members, are the members happy with QF now?
Lets wait and see, I think you've called to early unless of course you are spreading FUD for them!
I see plenty of info, if you choose to read it that is. I don't think the current exec asks if its ok by QF anymore. I don't see them folding either unless directed by the members, are the members happy with QF now?
Lets wait and see, I think you've called to early unless of course you are spreading FUD for them!
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My Two Cent!
Although it seems there is a lack of info from ALAEA at the moment, they are trying to not give away their position. That is to be expected.
Remember, regardless what may be offered, it is up to the members to decide whether to accept any offer that is put forward!!
If no agreement can be reached, the final option for QF is to close down E&M. I know there are those who would find this more acceptable than agreeing to what , so far , ammounts to a pay cut.
Although it seems there is a lack of info from ALAEA at the moment, they are trying to not give away their position. That is to be expected.
Remember, regardless what may be offered, it is up to the members to decide whether to accept any offer that is put forward!!
If no agreement can be reached, the final option for QF is to close down E&M. I know there are those who would find this more acceptable than agreeing to what , so far , ammounts to a pay cut.
February
Yoshi, there are more than a few that agree with your sentiments, although I'm sure the majority don't particularly want to see E&M closed down. Let's see what February brings. Both parties have agreed to continue negotiations per Commissioner Watson's recommendation, at least until 1 February.
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Headcone, I will make my own judgement when the EBA is complete and certified in the AIRC. Until then, the executive has my complete support as the democratically elected executive should have. As far as I can see, the executive is following the direction of the majority of the membership. If you refuse to see that, you are either not a member of the association or you are in the minority. Which is it?
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Rudderless, mate you missed my point entirely. Read my original post on this subject. I quoted a published statement from your ALEA executive secretary Mr. Purvinas in a UK newspaper, who is of the opinion that fuel is heavier than water and could have been the cause of the BA038 prang. I know this is off topic but the only reason I brought it up is, that I would be somewhat concerned if Mr. Purvinas was my associaton's executive secretary.
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Corrections and Observations
SP - Federal Secretary of the ALAEA
Whether misquoted or not we're all aware of fuel/water issue and yes it does only go to the bottom of tanks that's why you do drains at lowest points in tanks.
Did you have a crack because he's 115 pounds wringing wet and could be blown away in a strong wind
SP - Federal Secretary of the ALAEA
Whether misquoted or not we're all aware of fuel/water issue and yes it does only go to the bottom of tanks that's why you do drains at lowest points in tanks.
Did you have a crack because he's 115 pounds wringing wet and could be blown away in a strong wind
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if you want to add your two cents into the myriad of spotters and armchair experts,re the ba 777 incident then do so on the thread in tech log.as for media quotes who ever really believes the daily rag.
now please stay on topic ,(WHICH IS PIA AND THE ALAEA).
having walked about twenty feet and approached my union delegate and actually asked what is going on (which really wasnt that difficult ,and maybe some of the so called stirrers should do),the answer i recieved was very informative and that there is another meeting today.
now please stay on topic ,(WHICH IS PIA AND THE ALAEA).
having walked about twenty feet and approached my union delegate and actually asked what is going on (which really wasnt that difficult ,and maybe some of the so called stirrers should do),the answer i recieved was very informative and that there is another meeting today.
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OK fellows, thanks for the correction. Mr.Purvinas is indeed the Federal Secretary of ALAEA. Following are his comments made to ZDNet.com.au which was copied by the UK Daily Mail.
However ALAEA's federal secretary, Steven Purvinas, an avionics engineer with 20 years experience, contacted members of the organisation who had worked on the Boeing 777. He told ZDNet.com.au that of all Boeing's aircraft, the 777 is most likely to be affected by wireless or radio frequency interference.
"The 777 is far more electronically capable and reliant on it than its predecessors such as the Boeing 747. If wireless interference hasn't been ruled out as a possible cause, this aircraft would be a prime candidate for it," said Purvinas.
According to the members of the ALAEA who have worked on Boeing 777 aircraft, but declined to be interviewed, Boeing has taken extra measures to secure the systems and wiring that connect those systems.
The engineers claimed that although the 777 relies more on its electronic components, its wiring bundles are heavily shielded against radiation and stray currents that might affect the integrity of the system.
A more likely cause of the aircraft's throttle systems to fail at that stage of descent, according to Purvinas, is dirty fuel from Beijing, where it had refuelled before heading to London's Heathrow Airport.
"In this case, we're talking both engines carking it at same time. At that stage the aircraft is tilted at a certain altitude so when the fuel moves back into the tanks, it may expose the fuel pumps to water which is contained in the tanks," he said.
A small amount of water is not uncommon in fuel, Purvinas said.
"When you're putting in a hundred thousand kilos of fuel, there is a small component of water but if that all rises to the top of the fuel tank and is exposed to the fuel-pump intakes at same time, that is when you may have a problem at the same time on both engines," he said.
However ALAEA's federal secretary, Steven Purvinas, an avionics engineer with 20 years experience, contacted members of the organisation who had worked on the Boeing 777. He told ZDNet.com.au that of all Boeing's aircraft, the 777 is most likely to be affected by wireless or radio frequency interference.
"The 777 is far more electronically capable and reliant on it than its predecessors such as the Boeing 747. If wireless interference hasn't been ruled out as a possible cause, this aircraft would be a prime candidate for it," said Purvinas.
According to the members of the ALAEA who have worked on Boeing 777 aircraft, but declined to be interviewed, Boeing has taken extra measures to secure the systems and wiring that connect those systems.
The engineers claimed that although the 777 relies more on its electronic components, its wiring bundles are heavily shielded against radiation and stray currents that might affect the integrity of the system.
A more likely cause of the aircraft's throttle systems to fail at that stage of descent, according to Purvinas, is dirty fuel from Beijing, where it had refuelled before heading to London's Heathrow Airport.
"In this case, we're talking both engines carking it at same time. At that stage the aircraft is tilted at a certain altitude so when the fuel moves back into the tanks, it may expose the fuel pumps to water which is contained in the tanks," he said.
A small amount of water is not uncommon in fuel, Purvinas said.
"When you're putting in a hundred thousand kilos of fuel, there is a small component of water but if that all rises to the top of the fuel tank and is exposed to the fuel-pump intakes at same time, that is when you may have a problem at the same time on both engines," he said.
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Well actually, this discussion is on topic. Steve Purvinas is the federal secretary of the ALAEA and he is heavily involved with your PIA. I have no doubt his negotiating skills are better than his grasp of physics.