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That’s what you get when the likes of Germany spends 1.4 % of GDP on defence and Russia spends 4.3%.
The EU would rather spend money on quangos and pet meaningless projects rather than defence, I’m just surprised it never happened earlier. When the wall fell Europe and the U.K. couldn’t offload the Military fast enough, just look at the reduction in armour and manning since the Gulf-war, and the decline in the RAF since the wall came down. The UK is preparing to send a "clear message to the Kremlin" by increasing its number of troops deployed across Europe - as NATO hopes to prevent Russia from "choosing a path of bloodshed and destruction" by invading Ukraine. The UK already has more than 100 troops providing training in Ukraine, 900 military personnel based in Estonia, and a Light Cavalry Squadron of around 150 people is deployed to Poland. |
The whole Belarus adventure could also be seen as a giant sales pitch for Russian weaponry, (no messy footage of them being taken out in a real battle) and a 'brotherly' demonstration to Lukashenko of disapproval for his weakness in allowing anti-government demonstrations to go on for so long. In the background, Kazakhstan will have been watching and taking fevered notes. Blowing up a pipeline might have helped further drive up the price of gas, no bad thing for one who is in the business of selling and needs hard cash quick. In the meantime the acid-pumping policy of dissolving and sloughing off the eastern edges of Europe continues with Crimea and eastern Ukraine, etc.
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I do think we have all hung the Ukraine out to dry after talking them into giving up their Nuclear capability.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
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I do think we have all hung the Ukraine out to dry after talking them into giving up their Nuclear capability.
The Minsk accords were a deal that the Russian segment of the Ukraine could stay Russian, schools etc, but Kyev never accepted that. So now we have the alternative, much less pleasing. Why do countries put stupid people in power? |
Looking bad…….from CNN
Following Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to order Russian troops into two separatist pro-Moscow regions in eastern Ukraine, Rep. Ted Lieu said Putin's actions and words show "his goal and intent is to take over all of Ukraine." "This action by [Russian President Vladimir] Putin further confirms that [GOP Sen.] Mitt Romney was right when he called Russia the No. 1 geopolitical foe. Depending on where their forces go, it could determine whether we enter a very large war or not," Lieu told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. |
Originally Posted by etudiant
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Why do countries put stupid people in power?
The VP no less... and we know she was carefully selected on race and gender. |
I just don't get why we don't simply give the Ukraine the weapons that it needs to adequately deter the threat or repel it if necessary. I have no doubt that NATO has the capability to combat the Russian Army. Somebody with a little military knowledge, please educate me.
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They’re ramping up the sabre rattling
US Rep. Gerry Connolly is pushing back on Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying the ordering of Russian troops into two separatist pro-Moscow regions in eastern Ukraine is not a "peacekeeping" operation. H"This is not a peacekeeping operation, and we need to stop enabling Putin with even the use of that word," Connolly told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "These are units of the Russian military who are using the pretext of the independence of Russian-occupied sovereign territory of Ukraine to further that occupation and to expand it," Connolly continued."Right now, Russia's surrogates and Russian troops occupy about a third of Donetsk to Luhansk. What he proposes to do immediately is to extend that to the remaining two-thirds. That is an invasion by any sense of the imagination," he added. Connolly told Blitzer there are "three immediate things" the United States should do in response to Putin's actions:
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
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They’re ramping up the sabre rattling
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Yes he did, shame they never listened to him re the endgame.
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All the sabre rattling so far has come from just outside the borders of Ukraine.
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Originally Posted by polax52
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I just don't get why we don't simply give the Ukraine the weapons that it needs to adequately deter the threat or repel it if necessary. I have no doubt that NATO has the capability to combat the Russian Army. Somebody with a little military knowledge, please educate me.
Numbers possibly a little out of date - but it's not an even match. https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...as-2022-02-01/ Multiple flights of Javelins etc have arrived over the last few weeks. But I imagine you'd need to continue to get bigger, more advanced weapons systems quickly into theatre as well - and presumably train troops in their use. Challenging if Russia is already there on the ground having invaded... |
Dawn start…
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Lots of nations evacuating embassies and civilians with flights inbound - India etc - also Australia.
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A somber read regarding the disarray and pusillanimous reaction in European capitals, and Washington, in response to Russia’s invasion…..
Politico London Playbook… https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...tions-ratchet/ |
UK's Sajid Javid, "The Invasion of Ukraine has begun"
From Sky News, 22 Feb 2022
The invasion of Ukraine "has begun" and Britain will now impose further sanctions on Russia, Cabinet minister Sajid Javid has told Sky News. JAS |
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Russian state Duma has stated that the DPR and LPR will be recognized within the entire region. In practice it would mean that they want to expand to areas currently held by Ukrainian military, cross the current borderline. That would in essence mean that the Russian troops would have to confront the Ukrainian troops. It would mean war. The madness has just started, and Putin has to be stopped.
The State Duma told in what borders the DPR and LPR will be recognized The head of the committee, State Duma Kalashnikov: recognition of the republics of Donbass will be within the borders of Donetsk and Luhansk regions ... According to him, “now the DPR and LPR occupy less territory than it was in the referendum, but they believe that their statehood extends to that territory too.” ... https://iz.ru/1295104/2022-02-22/v-g...nany-dnr-i-lnr |
Originally Posted by admikar
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Again? Do we at least know a date?
I see the Kremlin puppets and Putin fanboy posters are very quiet this morning! |
Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
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How about right now!
I see the Kremlin puppets and Putin fanboy posters are very quiet this morning! "Nothing happening here", nope, invasion? what invasion,?, nope, haven't got a date yet????" IG |
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