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Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 11188025)
Why not just grab them by the nuts and seize every property in Knightsbridge and Belgravia? Shut down exports of every luxury vehicle to Russia, and every luxury consumable, diamonds, high end clothing, the lot. That’d have em squealing quick smart. Every Svetlana would be furious. Not a shot fired.
We also need to have a root and branch investigation as to who has connections with the Russian regime, and the nature of those connections. Starting with Boris and Farage. Russia has elevated itself from a pain-in-the-ass to full on adversary, and should be treated thus. |
Originally Posted by Less Hair
(Post 11188034)
Germany has stopped the Nord Stream II pipeline permit.
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Originally Posted by charliegolf
(Post 11188057)
Reference?
Ukraine crisis: Germany halts Nord Stream 2 approval German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has said the gas pipeline project cannot go ahead now in these crisis circumstances. He said the approval process has been halted. I bet Putin didn't see that coming, he thought he had Scholz in his pocket. |
I truly hope that this is just big talks and not an advance coverup for another MH17
FEB 22, 13:35 The DPR does not rule out provocations against passenger aircraft by the Armed Forces of Ukraine DONETSK, February 22. /TASS/. Intelligence of the People's Militia of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) has data on the movement of regiments of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which are armed with S-300 and BUK-M1 complexes in the areas of the airports of Kiev, Kharkov and Cherkasy, and therefore do not exclude provocations against passenger aircraft. This was announced on Tuesday by the deputy head of the People's Militia Department of the DPR, Eduard Basurin. "Our intelligence records the movement of columns of units of Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile regiments, which are armed with S-300 and BUK-M1 complexes, and the occupation of starting positions in the areas of international airports in the cities of Kiev, Kharkov and Cherkassy. We do not exclude a planned provocation against passenger aircraft" , he said. Basurin added that "against this background, the decision of a number of states to stop air traffic over the territory of Ukraine looks reasonable and prudent, which will help to avoid human casualties and the repetition of tragedies with the crash of civilian airliners." https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13804913 |
MOSCOW (AP) — Russia says recognition of independence for areas in east Ukraine extends to territory now held by Ukrainian forces.… |
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...yiv/ar-AAU9QJ6
Russia has deployed squads of National Guard enforcers near Ukraine's border with Belarus in what could become an occupation force in Kyiv, as fears grow that Moscow intends to launch a full-scale invasion. Military analysts closely observing the Russian troop build-up have seen videos which appear to show Rosvgardia [National Guard] units and trucks moving towards the Belarus-Ukraine border. Rob Lee, an analyst at King's College London, wrote on Twitter: |
Possible timeline:
Russian forces will now attack the Ukrainian forces along the coast to “liberate” Mariupol and the rest of the Donetsk Oblat at the “request” of their newly recognised government. Ukranian forces will defend and Russia, invoking their newly signed “friendship” treaties will claim it is a Ukranian attack on the new republics and an act of war and then strike south from Belarus towards Kyiv as a “counter attack” to remove the government and then install a “patriotic” government who will ask for assistance to remove “NATO collaborators” and a purge of the country… |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11188073)
Possible timeline:
Russian forces will now attack the Ukrainian forces along the coast to “liberate” Mariupol and the rest of the Donetsk Oblat at the “request” of their newly recognised government. Ukranian forces will defend and Russia, invoking their newly signed “friendship” treaties will claim it is a Ukranian attack on the new republics and an act of war and then strike south from Belarus towards Kyiv as a “counter attack” to remove the government and then install a “patriotic” government who will ask for assistance to remove “NATO collaborators” and a purge of the country… |
I would imagine that the Ukraine would have a plan in place to counter movements from Belarus. Afghanistan showed the advantages of IED's, cheap, effective and can slow an advance to a crawl.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11188088)
I would imagine that the Ukraine would have a plan in place to counter movements from Belarus. Afghanistan showed the advantages of IED's, cheap, effective and can slow an advance to a crawl.
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Originally Posted by henra
(Post 11188097)
Plus the Russian forces not being equipped with many blast protected transport vehicles and thus being very vulnerable to this. Add snipers left and right to this.
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Just go and `blockade` Kaliningrad......
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11188073)
Possible timeline:
Russian forces will now attack the Ukrainian forces along the coast to “liberate” Mariupol and the rest of the Donetsk Oblat at the “request” of their newly recognised government. Ukranian forces will defend and Russia, invoking their newly signed “friendship” treaties will claim it is a Ukranian attack on the new republics and an act of war and then strike south from Belarus towards Kyiv as a “counter attack” to remove the government and then install a “patriotic” government who will ask for assistance to remove “NATO collaborators” and a purge of the country… If he goes all the way in Ukraine without meeting NATO military resistance, does he go for broke and hit the Suwalki gap? Poland would go mental, but the question will be whether NATO - collectively - counters any such conquest. Do it quickly enough and you have a fait accompli. Are Biden, Scholz, Macron et al going to risk war? Over Lithuania? For the avoidance of doubt, I believe that we should - Article 5 is either followed or it's not. If it's not, then NATO folds - and BGV wins bigger. |
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin
(Post 11188120)
And vastly more dangerous is this - it's clear that Big Gay Vlad is employing his well-proven tactic of probing with a sharp object until he meets resistance.
If he goes all the way in Ukraine without meeting NATO military resistance, does he go for broke and hit the Suwalki gap? Poland would go mental, but the question will be whether NATO - collectively - counters any such conquest. Do it quickly enough and you have a fait accompli. Are Biden, Scholz, Macron et al going to risk war? Over Lithuania? For the avoidance of doubt, I believe that we should - Article 5 is either followed or it's not. If it's not, then NATO folds - and BGV wins bigger. |
Originally Posted by pasta
(Post 11188107)
If you're trying to demonise your neighbour and turn them into an enemy, that all helps the narrative.
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Originally Posted by admikar
(Post 11188165)
IMO, NATO would defend any and all member states.
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Duma was called into closed session at 1500 UTC as the Defence Minister requested formal permission for the deployment of Russian troops abroad.
Permission, unsurprisingly, granted. Which means Putin now has formal authority to deploy troops into Donetsk and Luhansk republics - and of course the rest of the Donbass - or elsewhere in Ukraine… https://english.pravda.ru/news/russi...roops_donbass/ Andrey Klishas, the head of the Federation Council Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building, said that three committees recommended senators satisfy the appeal to use Russian armed forces "outside the territory of the Russian Federation, on the basis of generally recognised principles and norms of international law." https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e564dbde9.jpeg |
Note the wording: request permission to send troops ABROAD. It is very different from sending troops to Donetsk or Luhansk. Putin is no longer tied to ask specific permission per Russian law, he can send them ANYWHERE HE LIKES without asking anyone.
This is not the first time this legal wording trick is used by Putin and then used as seen appropriate. What must be understood is that Putin is obsessed in making everything seem legit and executed by the laws. It is his justification that "hey, I did everything by the book, don't blame me". And if the laws by chance aren't suited for the needs, the laws are changed (e.g. the law regarding maximum terms one may act as the president of Russia). To make it short, things may escalate from now on very mucv faster as Putin has the almighty power granted by the Russian law he wanted. |
But as he has recognised them as independent states, then surely they are now abroad.
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