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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11184500)
BBC leading with Russian news of "some troops pulled back"
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Baffled by reports that Putin can back down because of “what he has achieved”. What has he achieved?
Russia’s written demands that NATO withdraw from Eastern Europe etc were dismissed as not being a starting point for negotiation because they were literally so extreme that there was nothing even able to be discussed - and all written replies from within Europe and the USA have affirmed that, with all being totally rejected . In the meantime it has actually driven NATO to reinforce the Baltics, Norway and Poland, increased cooperation with Sweden and Finland and a determination to diversify away from Russian energy supplies. It also seems almost certain that Ukraine will continue to receive arm shipments increasing their defence capability at the same time as they build up their Turkish TB2 inventory. If that was a victory then pyhrric would be an optimistic description of what has been achieved. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11184511)
Baffled by reports that Putin can back down because of “what he has achieved”. What has he achieved?
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11184511)
Baffled by reports that Putin can back down because of “what he has achieved”. What has he achieved?
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11184511)
Baffled by reports that Putin can back down because of “what he has achieved”. What has he achieved?
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11184511)
Baffled by reports that Putin can back down because of “what he has achieved”. What has he achieved?
Russia’s written demands that NATO withdraw from Eastern Europe etc were dismissed as not being a starting point for negotiation because they were literally so extreme that there was nothing even able to be discussed - and all written replies from within Europe and the USA have affirmed that, with all being totally rejected . In the meantime it has actually driven NATO to reinforce the Baltics, Norway and Poland, increased cooperation with Sweden and Finland and a determination to diversify away from Russian energy supplies. It also seems almost certain that Ukraine will continue to receive arm shipments increasing their defence capability at the same time as they build up their Turkish TB2 inventory. If that was a victory then pyhrric would be an optimistic description of what has been achieved. This has yet to play out. |
[QUOTEBaffled by reports that Putin can back down because of “what he has achieved”. What has he achieved?][/QUOTE]
He has successfully taken over Bellarus without firing a shot. |
Geez I'd laugh if China made a run for Outer Manchuria right now! :}
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Buster: "Operation Barbarossa" with an oriental tinge
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11184528)
[QUOTEBaffled by reports that Putin can back down because of “what he has achieved”. What has he achieved?]
On the flipside, he's also made sustainable (non-fossil) energy more attractive to Western investors, albeit to a lesser extent than if he actually goes ahead with an invasion. The last thing the Russian economy needs is for Western Europe to wean itself off Russian gas... |
Originally Posted by pasta
(Post 11184618)
On the flipside, he's also made sustainable (non-fossil) energy more attractive to Western investors, albeit to a lesser extent than if he actually goes ahead with an invasion. The last thing the Russian economy needs is for Western Europe to wean itself off Russian gas... |
ABC News - Russia's parliament asks Putin to recognize breakaway regions in Ukraine
Russia's parliament voted for a law on Tuesday that calls on President Vladimir Putin to recognize two Russian-controlled breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent. The measure is a formal appeal to Putin to recognize the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics, in an area of southeastern Ukraine known as the Donbas, where Russian-backed separatists forces have been battling the Ukrainian army since 2014. Such recognition would open a path for Russia to formally annex the two regions as it did the Crimean Peninsula almost eight years ago. It's now up to Putin to decide whether to go through with it…… ———————————- The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine said Kiev regards Moscow's recognition of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass as Russia's withdrawal from the Minsk agreements. |
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Here we go….
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Must be this, someone claims to have found a home made bomb on a trash can and supposedly it's a plot of spies from Ukrainian government intending to cause mayhem.
Believe it if you want. https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13715125 |
The Sun, don’t laugh, is saying the War will start at 1am
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/176552...c_article=true RUSSIA is set to invade Ukraine at 1am tomorrow with a massive missile blitz and 200,000 troops, according to US intelligence. Highly placed sources said preparations to defend the besieged nation would continue - despite reports Putin was withdrawing some troops from the border. US intelligence said the most likely time for Putin’s order was 3am (1am UK time). American spooks believe Kyiv’s military and government command and control centres still have a barrage of air strikes before tanks roll over the border. Russian claimed today to be pulling back around 10,000 troops from its Western and Southern to barracks after military drills. But around 130,000 remain on Ukraine’s eastern and southern borders with around 40,000 pro-Putin forces in Belarus to the north. But around 130,000 remain on Ukraine’s eastern and southern borders with around 40,000 pro-Putin forces in Belarus to the north.Another 30,000 pro-Russian separatists were facing Ukraine defenders in the captured Donbas enclave. And preparations continued apace in Kyiv yesterday as anti-aircraft systems were seen moving into position along with columns of National Guard vehicles. A military source said: “We cannot take anything that Russia says or does at face value. We have to prepare to defend ourselves. |
The Sun would have predicted Pearl Harbor.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11184769)
I do hope Russia gets the biggest kicking since WW2
And your first allusion is a huge part of Emperor Vlad’s mindset. Mother Russia has been invaded too often in recent history, and buffer states are a ‘good thing’ in Vlad’s mind. |
I mean as in they lose so much armour, aircraft and materials and are so heavily sanctioned that they never ever consider this course of action ever again.
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