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nivsy 23rd Feb 2022 07:36


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11187999)
I must wonder, what is an N-reg Piper Malibu doing in Kiev currently? An unlikely sight on this day and age.

Yeah I saw that also...🤔

NutLoose 23rd Feb 2022 08:03

This is an interesting view, the Belarus troops could be used not to attack the capital but to come around behind the Ukrainian army.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...oley-beheaded/

Lordflasheart 23rd Feb 2022 08:34

N-Reg Malibu
 
Nivsy & Beamr - N Reg Malibus get everywhere these days - The UK has some special tax, operations or maintenance category for UK based N-proxy something or other. Usual consumer warnings apply.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_E...er_PA-46_crash

LFH

Beamr 23rd Feb 2022 08:43

LFH, thanks, business as usual then as sir Nutty already tried to convince :)

Beamr 23rd Feb 2022 09:25

Supreme council of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada) is making fast legal changes to allow citizens to buy weapons more easily.
This should make it easier for citizens with determination to resist the aggressor.
Looking at the restrictions underneath it occurs that the soviet era NSV fits the bill quite nicely, if one happens to fancy protecting his/hers property from an aggressor.

Rada took a step towards the legalization of weapons
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine today, February 23, adopted in the first reading the bill "On the right to civilian firearms" No. 5708, which legalizes the right to purchase firearms for Ukrainians . 274 deputies voted for.

Article 7 of the bill provides for permission for citizens to own firearms and ammunition belonging to individuals and legal entities, except for:
  • smooth-bore short-barreled firearms designed to fire cartridges;
  • rifled weapons with a caliber greater than 12.7 mm, if the speed of its bullet exceeds 700 m/s;
  • revolvers;
  • long-barreled smooth-bore firearms with a caliber greater than 27 millimeters;
  • overhead rifled barrels for smooth-bore firearms;
  • armour-piercing, explosive or incendiary ammunition, as well as projectiles for such ammunition;
  • ammunition, specially designed to enhance the penetrating and destructive effect.

https://ukraine.segodnya.ua/ukraine/...n-1604715.html

Usertim 23rd Feb 2022 09:40

I know wiki can be not the best source, but the article on UKR armed forces states:
'Ukraine and Nato estimate that 2.5 million tons of conventional ammunition were left in Ukraine as the Soviet military withdrew, as well as more than 7 million rifles, pistols, mortars, and machine guns. The surplus weapons and ammunition were stored in over 180 military bases, including in bunkers, salt mines and in the open. As of 2014, much of this surplus had not been scrapped.'

ORAC 23rd Feb 2022 09:51

Thought they already could….

https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...l#post11174770

Beamr 23rd Feb 2022 10:03


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11188645)

Of course, but that .223 Remington is a bit of a toy compared to what will be available*, like the NSV with 12,7x108mm used as an AA machine gun.
Same caliber is used in some sniper rifles such as Zastava M93.

*based on the restrictions given in the article

ORAC 23rd Feb 2022 10:07

Ukrainian Foreign Ministry has warned Ukrainians not to visit Russia and urged all Ukrainians in Russia to leave immediately.

ORAC 23rd Feb 2022 10:14

There would seem, at the moment, no common ground for negotiation with Russia….

They seem t9 be following the Chinese meme in claim8ng that if it was ever Russia, it is forever Russia.


NutLoose 23rd Feb 2022 10:35

I see you appear to suffer from Ipaditus as well.. It drives me nuts. :)


t9 claim8ng

admikar 23rd Feb 2022 10:40


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11188632)
Supreme council of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada) is making fast legal changes to allow citizens to buy weapons more easily.
This should make it easier for citizens with determination to resist the aggressor.
Looking at the restrictions underneath it occurs that the soviet era NSV fits the bill quite nicely, if one happens to fancy protecting his/hers property from an aggressor.

Rada took a step towards the legalization of weapons
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine today, February 23, adopted in the first reading the bill "On the right to civilian firearms" No. 5708, which legalizes the right to purchase firearms for Ukrainians . 274 deputies voted for.

Article 7 of the bill provides for permission for citizens to own firearms and ammunition belonging to individuals and legal entities, except for:
  • smooth-bore short-barreled firearms designed to fire cartridges;
  • rifled weapons with a caliber greater than 12.7 mm, if the speed of its bullet exceeds 700 m/s;
  • revolvers;
  • long-barreled smooth-bore firearms with a caliber greater than 27 millimeters;
  • overhead rifled barrels for smooth-bore firearms;
  • armour-piercing, explosive or incendiary ammunition, as well as projectiles for such ammunition;
  • ammunition, specially designed to enhance the penetrating and destructive effect.

https://ukraine.segodnya.ua/ukraine/...n-1604715.html

Strange, why would revolvers be banned?

IAMCHUNKY 23rd Feb 2022 10:53

Does anyone believe Putin will give a hoots about western sanctions?

pasta 23rd Feb 2022 10:56


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11188661)
They seem t9 be following the Chinese meme in claim8ng that if it was ever Russia, it is forever Russia.

Follow that back to its logical conclusion, and they should really be offering to return the Motherland to Turkey, or maybe Iran.

NutLoose 23rd Feb 2022 11:02


Originally Posted by admikar (Post 11188675)
Strange, why would revolvers be banned?

Probably because when all this sh*te is over one way or the other, you would not want every man and his dog walking around carrying concealed weapons.

Beamr 23rd Feb 2022 11:15


Originally Posted by admikar (Post 11188675)
Strange, why would revolvers be banned?

I have no definitive answer, I am considering the possibility of relating the term to rotary guns, of which there were lots of smaller caliber versions in the USSR.
By allowing up to 12,7mm rifled weapons releases the long distance powerful sniper rifles, but they probably want to deny the possession of eg GShG-7.62 with fire rate of up to 3500rpm.
All the other restrictions deny eg mortars, cannons, artillery and such so this would be rather obvious continuation to it.


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11188688)
Probably because when all this sh*te is over one way or the other, you would not want every man and his dog walking around carrying concealed weapons.

Then the semi-automatics should be banned as well.

ORAC 23rd Feb 2022 11:20


Follow that back to its logical conclusion, and they should really be offering to return the Motherland to Turkey, or maybe Iran.

NutLoose 23rd Feb 2022 11:24


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11188694)

Then the semi-automatics should be banned as well.

I do wonder if it means those too, but it was lost in the translation?

It always amazes me that when ever something like this is happening everyone appears to buy ex British combat kit.

ORAC 23rd Feb 2022 12:10

Nord Stream 2 contract reported as cancelled. Argument as too whether the insurance cancellation can be reversed and contract restarted - but the hardware won’t go away…




Beamr 23rd Feb 2022 12:14

To my understanding the insurance contract by Munich Re was cancelled, not the entire gas pipe program as one may read the tweets above.

Munich Re Stops Insuring Nord Stream 2 Pipeline on Fears of U.S. Sanctions

https://www.insurancejournal.com/new.../23/602362.htm


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