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minigundiplomat 22nd Feb 2022 08:47


Originally Posted by Imagegear (Post 11187968)
Shhhhh - "you're just being hysterical now."

"Nothing happening here", nope, invasion? what invasion,?, nope, haven't got a date yet????"

IG

Well. Happy to say I was wrong - I didn’t think he’d be stupid enough, but I also wonder how much Biden escalating this over the past 2 weeks may have been a miscalculation also

henra 22nd Feb 2022 08:51


Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj (Post 11187795)
And so it begins. I wonder if future generations (if there are any...) will look through textbooks and see this as the way that WWIII started?

Seriously?
If this is the start of WWIII, there will be no future generations any more.

Herod 22nd Feb 2022 08:59


Originally Posted by henra (Post 11187987)
Seriously?
If this is the start of WWIII, there will be no future generations any more.

"I don't know with what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones" Einstein.

Atlantic Explorer 22nd Feb 2022 09:00


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11187984)
Well. Happy to say I was wrong - I didn’t think he’d be stupid enough, but I also wonder how much Biden escalating this over the past 2 weeks may have been a miscalculation also

Really? So it’s all Biden’s fault? Grasping at straws there I suspect.

NutLoose 22nd Feb 2022 09:06


Originally Posted by henra (Post 11187987)
Seriously?
If this is the start of WWIII, there will be no future generations any more.

It could lead to that, put it this way, we are closer than anytime in the last 50 years. He is playing a decidedly dodgy game and hoping the west won't respond.

ORAC 22nd Feb 2022 09:08

Worth reading. Not sure about her final forecast though, I think Putin is already beyond that point.


Beamr 22nd Feb 2022 09:11

I must wonder, what is an N-reg Piper Malibu doing in Kiev currently? An unlikely sight on this day and age.

NutLoose 22nd Feb 2022 09:15

I see the Russian AN124 is in at EGNX, business as usual,

henra 22nd Feb 2022 09:17


Originally Posted by tartare (Post 11187886)
They probably lost they ability to deter when they gave up the special weapons.
Numbers possibly a little out of date - but it's not an even match.

Looking at the numbers regarding Air Superiority and knowing its Importance nowadays, it doesn't look good.
Boots on the ground are not worth much if the other side owns the sky.
Only realistic chance is Guerilla tactics. Meat grinder. Give them thousands of sniper rifles with NVD. Give them Stingers. Give them Javelins. Provide them with IED. The Russian public will get tired of hundreds of their children coming back in an aluminuum box daily relatively quickly.

Beamr 22nd Feb 2022 09:21


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11188003)
I see the Russian AN124 is in at EGNX, business as usual,

The AN124 is a bit different from Piper Malibu, I thought the N-reg malibu is on the unusual side of the big pond but maybe it is just business as usual.

fab777 22nd Feb 2022 09:32


Originally Posted by henra (Post 11188005)
. The Russian public will get tired of hundreds of their children coming back in an aluminuum box daily relatively quickly.

the Russian public does not have a say, after years of dictatorship. Now, this is Germany, 1939. And yes, we now how Hitler ended, but we also know what happened to the world before that.

fab777 22nd Feb 2022 09:34


Originally Posted by Imagegear (Post 11187968)
Shhhhh - "you're just being hysterical now."

"Nothing happening here", nope, invasion? what invasion,?, nope, haven't got a date yet????"

IG

and where is Vitek, when we need his input to know the real truth? Trolling some other website from his troll factory in Sankt Peterburg ?

Less Hair 22nd Feb 2022 09:37

International Law is not respected, treaties are not respected, statements and promises are not respected, even from the top.
What is left? Facts. We seem to need robust containment as roll back means war.

admikar 22nd Feb 2022 09:45


Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer (Post 11187955)
How about right now!

I see the Kremlin puppets and Putin fanboy posters are very quiet this morning!

Fine, I'll bite.
I am neither of those things you said.
So far I have counted 5 instances of western inteligence saying that invasion is imminent! So can you really blame me for quering when someone screams "Wolf!"?
I never said that Putin is right and that invasion will never happen. Only thing that I did try is to give alternate point of view that Putin and Russia are doing what both USSR and USA/NATO have done before.
Now, if you believe that just beacuse it's USA/NATO doing those things OK, because your and their methabolism products don't stink, not my problem.

tartare 22nd Feb 2022 09:52

Why not just grab them by the nuts and seize every property in Knightsbridge and Belgravia? Shut down exports of every luxury vehicle to Russia, and every luxury consumable, diamonds, high end clothing, the lot. That’d have em squealing quick smart. Every Svetlana would be furious. Not a shot fired.

henra 22nd Feb 2022 10:02


Originally Posted by tartare (Post 11188025)
Why not just grab them by the nuts and seize every property in Knightsbridge and Belgravia? Shut down exports of every luxury vehicle to Russia, and every luxury consumable, diamonds, high end clothing, the lot. That’d have em squealing quick smart. Every Svetlana would be furious. Not a shot fired.

That would probably indeed hit hard.
The sad thing is this ain't gone'a happen. Only as last resort after all-out nuclear war. Cause it would hurt the industry.

Less Hair 22nd Feb 2022 10:04

It will get more expensive for us to not react.

henra 22nd Feb 2022 10:04


Originally Posted by fab777 (Post 11188011)
the Russian public does not have a say, after years of dictatorship.

No, I don't think his stance is anywhere near that solid.

Now, this is Germany, 1939. And yes, we now how Hitler ended, but we also know what happened to the world before that.
Again: In this case not only Putin would end. Mankind would end.

Less Hair 22nd Feb 2022 10:06

Germany has stopped the Nord Stream II pipeline permit.

NutLoose 22nd Feb 2022 10:08


Putin and Russia are doing what both USSR and USA/NATO have done before.
Not true, USA which are part of NATO have never invaded a Country and forced them to join NATO, The Putin's Russia under the guise of the Soviet Bloc / USSR did exactly that..


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